DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca
on 01 Feb 11:55
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I’ve grown tired of the unimaginative, backwards response of “I’ve got nothing to hide”
Edit: To the person who downvoted or the one about to, let me ask you this: “You have doors, right? Windows too? With curtains or blinds? Why? Yiu have nothing to hide, right? Why would you care about protecting your home when you don’t care about protecting the device that likely knows more about you than any family member or partner?”
I used to say that about Meta - they’re obviously not going to Rube Goldberg levels to spy on the tiny fraction of users who run an ad blocker or a VPN.
If your phone was listening to you and transmitting your voice data all the time, you will notice the impact on your battery and data usage. Siri has a mechanism that waits for you to call it that is offline and separate from the actual mechanism that listens and transmits your command. Now once that is activated, it’s fair game, including whatever background chatter it hears.
We have to remember that this will change in the future. New phones have more and more powerful NPUs which are very good at speech recognition. We are not far away from the time when a phone will be able to do good enough STT and send the transcript only.
JonEFive@midwest.social
on 01 Feb 21:50
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There have also been analyses into the volume of traffic used at rest vs. the amount used during pretty much anything else including conversations with digital assistants. Those found that there wasn’t enough data being transferred for it to be voice recordings.*
*I don’t remember where I read this. I’m just one guy on the intternet. Quesion the veracity of my comment.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip
on 01 Feb 23:29
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If your phone was listening to you and transmitting your voice data all the time, you will notice the impact on your battery and data usage. Siri.
I agree in principle, we would probably notice, because most engineer are occasionally lazy or idiotic.
But, I can think of ways to make this happen without any battery impact. Capture in a format that doesn’t need re-encoded in the moment, and wait to convert and transmit only when the phone is plugged in. Don’t even clean up the data on the phone, just trickle the highlights up to the cloud.
Then in some future version of Android, wedge in a local AI layer, and call into that to pick highlights to share with advertising partners.
You’ve never requested your data from google. I did a while ago and found a dozen recordings of my voice from my pocket despite having the voice assistant turned off.
So yes, google has this too. You have to say OK Google before it is supposed to reach out to the cloud. Except they lied, and so did Apple.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4rvr495rgo
And with Google Android my phone was lasting 1 day, with degoogled android I would get ê days out of a charge.
So whatever google does is doing a ton of network traffic.
Google settled out of court twice this week for spying on consumers, at a cost of about a “billionaire’s nickel” each time.
Okay. We don’t have concrete proof that they found a way to spy on our conversations, through their open source platform, and their dedicated proprietary closed hardware. I get that.
This whole conversation feels like arguing to defend an abusive uncle from one very specific violation of trust. I get it, he we can’t prove he did that one thing.
It changes nothing.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net
on 02 Feb 00:48
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I think this thing where they use predictive analytics to read your mind is worse than listening to your phone’s mic. It’s more invasive.
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Watch the video, it’s for you if you think that way
You really fell for that?
I did.
We know , but nobody is listening to us
I’ve grown tired of the unimaginative, backwards response of “I’ve got nothing to hide”
Edit: To the person who downvoted or the one about to, let me ask you this: “You have doors, right? Windows too? With curtains or blinds? Why? Yiu have nothing to hide, right? Why would you care about protecting your home when you don’t care about protecting the device that likely knows more about you than any family member or partner?”
There are brainwashed or brain wasted
Couldn’t agree more
It’s easy to disprove. Stop being a tech illiterate.
I used to say that about Meta - they’re obviously not going to Rube Goldberg levels to spy on the tiny fraction of users who run an ad blocker or a VPN.
I was wrong about that.
No, because I run GrapheneOS.
This is the way
If your phone was listening to you and transmitting your voice data all the time, you will notice the impact on your battery and data usage. Siri has a mechanism that waits for you to call it that is offline and separate from the actual mechanism that listens and transmits your command. Now once that is activated, it’s fair game, including whatever background chatter it hears.
We have to remember that this will change in the future. New phones have more and more powerful NPUs which are very good at speech recognition. We are not far away from the time when a phone will be able to do good enough STT and send the transcript only.
There have also been analyses into the volume of traffic used at rest vs. the amount used during pretty much anything else including conversations with digital assistants. Those found that there wasn’t enough data being transferred for it to be voice recordings.*
*I don’t remember where I read this. I’m just one guy on the intternet. Quesion the veracity of my comment.
I agree in principle, we would probably notice, because most engineer are occasionally lazy or idiotic.
But, I can think of ways to make this happen without any battery impact. Capture in a format that doesn’t need re-encoded in the moment, and wait to convert and transmit only when the phone is plugged in. Don’t even clean up the data on the phone, just trickle the highlights up to the cloud.
Then in some future version of Android, wedge in a local AI layer, and call into that to pick highlights to share with advertising partners.
You’ve never requested your data from google. I did a while ago and found a dozen recordings of my voice from my pocket despite having the voice assistant turned off.
So yes, google has this too. You have to say OK Google before it is supposed to reach out to the cloud. Except they lied, and so did Apple. www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4rvr495rgo
And with Google Android my phone was lasting 1 day, with degoogled android I would get ê days out of a charge. So whatever google does is doing a ton of network traffic.
Google settled out of court twice this week for spying on consumers, at a cost of about a “billionaire’s nickel” each time.
Okay. We don’t have concrete proof that they found a way to spy on our conversations, through their open source platform, and their dedicated proprietary closed hardware. I get that.
This whole conversation feels like arguing to defend an abusive uncle from one very specific violation of trust. I get it, he we can’t prove he did that one thing.
It changes nothing.
I think this thing where they use predictive analytics to read your mind is worse than listening to your phone’s mic. It’s more invasive.
I agree. But everyone sure they’re not also listening to the microphone is giving them way too much credit.
If they’re not listening to the microphone, that could change any day, and cost them another billionaire’s nickel in another five or ten years.