akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 26 Jul 14:10
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This is yesterday’s news. Destroying evidence is a crime in a lot of jurisdictions. With that in mind, I don’t understand how somebody who apparently uses Graphene OS didn’t bring an empty burner when crossing one of the most notorious borders in the world.
Which isn’t to say that the laws that require you to unlock your phone and that throw you in jail if you securely wipe it aren’t hostile and inhumane.
OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml
on 26 Jul 14:24
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If I understand correctly they didn’t actually delete anything it just shreds the encryption keys so it can’t be accessed. Idk if the difference matters a whole lot though.
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 26 Jul 14:37
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Very interesting! I’d like to ask a lawyer how they think the courts would view that. The data is intact, just not decryptable. 🤣
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Jul 15:00
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No it wipes the data from the phone
GrapheneOS provides users with the ability to set a duress PIN/Password that will irreversibly wipe the device (along with any installed eSIMs) once entered anywhere where the device credentials are requested
In order to be convicted of destroying evidence, there needs to be proof that there was “evidence” on the phone in the first place.
If something on the phone is already known without doubt, then what’s the need for access? if there is doubt at the time of the wipe then there is no proof or destroying evidence. 🤷♂️
Not if you live within the jurisdiction of the 4th Circuit. The court “ruled that a lower standard applies to manual searches, allowing the government to conduct extraordinarily invasive electronic device searches without any suspicion of wrongdoing, simply because the border officer chooses to search by hand rather than with a forensic tool.”
Everything, as long as you’re the president and say it was an “official act”…
shadowtofu@discuss.tchncs.de
on 26 Jul 19:35
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You have to carry a piece of paper in your wallet that contains a PIN. The piece of paper contains no further information, just a PIN. You decline to answer any questions regarding this piece of paper or your phone’s PIN.
This might not be a good idea, depending on your jurisdiction.
You can have a business card with a "phone"number on it. (Your pin can be any part of that number it is only you who needs to know where to start reading the code).
You don’t need to have a sus number only piece of paper. :)
It’s not even about skin color, not really. It’s about poverty and people not having a chance to get out of it. I would also commit crimes if I felt my life had no future and im white.
As a consequence, black people commit crimes and white cops become racist because they see that. But its not really about skin color if you look at the full picture.
It’s about poverty, yeah. White people would act the same as black people if they lived in poverty. In fact, you see that happening in America too.
You have to give someone a chance in life or you end up with desperate people. I never understood the idea that poor people should just say no to crime when they have absolutely nothing to live for otherwise. That’s crazy.
If you don’t think racism is real and not at all based on race you are a literal fucking idiot. Try reading a fucking book whitey. Fanon, George Jackson, Malcom X. Take you pick, not sure you’ll have the comprehension to understand.
hamid@crazypeople.online
on 27 Jul 14:47
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I mean from the cadre of Anti-russia, Anti-china accounts who try and tell me I am a conspiracy theorist for thinking that the CIA is behind “all world events” despite talking about a specific event where the CIA actually overthrew the country I am from.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Jul 10:04
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They implied that based on his use of grapheneOS/erasure or the device. In reality he is a Stop Cop City activist. The fascists just want to associate good privacy and security practices with criminality and depravity.
What a coincidence that it was the guy protesting the police who was also suspected of possessing such materials. If it turns out they had real independent grounds to suspect he had such images, I’ll change this view, but for now I assume that’s the cops’ standard line to shut down people’s questions. Just say they thought the political target had CSAM, and immediately people see him differently, plus the police can accuse anyone who challenges their actions of supporting pedophiles.
SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml
on 27 Jul 11:07
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If the phone’s security prevents them from accessing information, then they have no information. How can they prove there was any information on it to begin with?
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz
on 27 Jul 17:22
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They just accuse you of withholding evidence. Yay for freedom of speech.
the courts have decided that all ports of entry – including airports – are constitution free zones; meaning that the constitution does not apply there.
as a result most americans – 2/3rds of them – live in places where the constitution does not apply to them.
BS. It’s a claim from last year and not only in Spain, that criminals often use encrypted phomes (logical), among others, Graphene OS, but also iOS and Android. Not that all who use encrypted devices (or message apps) are criminals, which due the amount of these devices result absurd to say. As often, periodists write and share half understood news.
In Spain as also in the rest of the EU, phones and messages of individuals can only be intercepted by the police with a court order in a criminal investigation, not globaly like in the US.
There may be cases when an individual under criminal investigation deletes incriminating messages, which can be punished for concealment of evidences.
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This is yesterday’s news. Destroying evidence is a crime in a lot of jurisdictions. With that in mind, I don’t understand how somebody who apparently uses Graphene OS didn’t bring an empty burner when crossing one of the most notorious borders in the world.
Which isn’t to say that the laws that require you to unlock your phone and that throw you in jail if you securely wipe it aren’t hostile and inhumane.
If I understand correctly they didn’t actually delete anything it just shreds the encryption keys so it can’t be accessed. Idk if the difference matters a whole lot though.
Very interesting! I’d like to ask a lawyer how they think the courts would view that. The data is intact, just not decryptable. 🤣
No it wipes the data from the phone
source
Except that this person wasn’t accused or even suspected of a crime.
In order to be convicted of destroying evidence, there needs to be proof that there was “evidence” on the phone in the first place.
If something on the phone is already known without doubt, then what’s the need for access? if there is doubt at the time of the wipe then there is no proof or destroying evidence. 🤷♂️
I cross the US border every few months.
Stopped carrying a laptop, still crossing the border with a graphene phone, tho.
Supreme court has ruled that warrantless phone search at the border is bogus, but theyre too shitpantsed to stick with it
they are evil and hypocritical is what they are.
they want to make an example out of people trying to escape the panopticon.
Does this apply to non-US citizens as well?
You mean slave/s?
Not if you live within the jurisdiction of the 4th Circuit. The court “ruled that a lower standard applies to manual searches, allowing the government to conduct extraordinarily invasive electronic device searches without any suspicion of wrongdoing, simply because the border officer chooses to search by hand rather than with a forensic tool.”
eff.org/…/fourth-circuit-says-border-agents-can-s…
this is what peak democracy™ looks like, dont be fooled
What is the charge, eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?
Name one thing that can’t land you in prison in the US. I’ll wait.
For profit slave labor prisons are very lucrative I hear
Indirectly murdering hundreds of thousands of people in pursuit of profits.
With the caveat that, if you don’t achieve those profits, it will land you in jail.
Got me there
And manslaughter with a car.
Being white
pedophilia (if you are rich)
Even convicted pedo can avoid prison www.cnn.com/2014/04/…/delaware-du-pont-rape-case
You don’t even need that first part. Being rich makes it 10x harder for you to be prosecuted.
Everything, as long as you’re the president and say it was an “official act”…
You have to carry a piece of paper in your wallet that contains a PIN. The piece of paper contains no further information, just a PIN. You decline to answer any questions regarding this piece of paper or your phone’s PIN.
This might not be a good idea, depending on your jurisdiction.
You can have a business card with a "phone"number on it. (Your pin can be any part of that number it is only you who needs to know where to start reading the code). You don’t need to have a sus number only piece of paper. :)
The point is that the cops would find and enter the pin.
It’s the wipe pin.
They wiped it, not you.
Or just set it to your mmddyy or something typical for weak passwords
And that person is the officer that destroyed the evidence
Funny how the lemmy liberals never believe that the US is the authoritarian country lol
Really? I feel like I’m constantly seeing complaints about the US’s growing authoritarianism.
They didnt grow to it. Nobody just gave a shit before, because it wasnt against all skin colors.
It’s not even about skin color, not really. It’s about poverty and people not having a chance to get out of it. I would also commit crimes if I felt my life had no future and im white.
As a consequence, black people commit crimes and white cops become racist because they see that. But its not really about skin color if you look at the full picture.
Oh yeah racism in the US is not about skin color, brilliant take.
It’s about poverty, yeah. White people would act the same as black people if they lived in poverty. In fact, you see that happening in America too.
You have to give someone a chance in life or you end up with desperate people. I never understood the idea that poor people should just say no to crime when they have absolutely nothing to live for otherwise. That’s crazy.
If you don’t think racism is real and not at all based on race you are a literal fucking idiot. Try reading a fucking book whitey. Fanon, George Jackson, Malcom X. Take you pick, not sure you’ll have the comprehension to understand.
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I mean from the cadre of Anti-russia, Anti-china accounts who try and tell me I am a conspiracy theorist for thinking that the CIA is behind “all world events” despite talking about a specific event where the CIA actually overthrew the country I am from.
lemmy liberals are a specific group of people and not everyone.
What they don’t believe is that it has started decades before Trump
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Sounds like bs without any definitive proof
They implied that based on his use of grapheneOS/erasure or the device. In reality he is a Stop Cop City activist. The fascists just want to associate good privacy and security practices with criminality and depravity.
What a coincidence that it was the guy protesting the police who was also suspected of possessing such materials. If it turns out they had real independent grounds to suspect he had such images, I’ll change this view, but for now I assume that’s the cops’ standard line to shut down people’s questions. Just say they thought the political target had CSAM, and immediately people see him differently, plus the police can accuse anyone who challenges their actions of supporting pedophiles.
How do you know if phone got erased?
If the phone’s security prevents them from accessing information, then they have no information. How can they prove there was any information on it to begin with?
They just accuse you of withholding evidence. Yay for freedom of speech.
@SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml the courts already decided that it was okay to jail people for literal years for not providing a password: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Rawls
and there are more:
Jfc. Next you’ll be jailed for not having a phone
in spain, you’re automatically added to a watch list if you publicly use a pixel because its capable of running graphene. lol
That’s fucking wild.
And old.
This has been a thing for decades but too few noticed and many more will stay unaware unless it bites them.
I assume all PC users are also on watchlists because they can run Linux or BSD too? Even if they haven’t erased Windows yet?
That was a court order though. If there is no court order and no warrant, they shouldn’t be snooping through anything.
the courts have decided that all ports of entry – including airports – are constitution free zones; meaning that the constitution does not apply there.
as a result most americans – 2/3rds of them – live in places where the constitution does not apply to them.
Yeah, this is bananas. Especially when Antifa is labeled as a terrorist group and they say all of us are Antifa
BS. It’s a claim from last year and not only in Spain, that criminals often use encrypted phomes (logical), among others, Graphene OS, but also iOS and Android. Not that all who use encrypted devices (or message apps) are criminals, which due the amount of these devices result absurd to say. As often, periodists write and share half understood news. In Spain as also in the rest of the EU, phones and messages of individuals can only be intercepted by the police with a court order in a criminal investigation, not globaly like in the US. There may be cases when an individual under criminal investigation deletes incriminating messages, which can be punished for concealment of evidences.
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