Spiritgaming28@lemm.ee
on 26 May 10:45
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Somebody coming across this and briefly checking out the context section could think this is just a regular old mass surveillance law, but when you look at the High Level Group advice EU is citing as a key source you’ll see the full image.
they want to sanction unlicensed messaging apps, hosting services and websites that don’t spy on users (and impose criminal penalties)
mandatory data retention, all your online activity must be tied to your identity
end of privacy friendly VPN’s and other services
cooperate with hardware manufacturers to ensure lawful access by design (backdoors for phones and computers)
And much, much more. And this law isn’t aimed towards big companies, all communication service providers are explicitly in scope no matter how small or open source.
A mass surveillance law being written by unknown lobbyists behind closed doors, demanding that the EU should monitor the internet more than Russia, being pushed by the EU commission. Should be the biggest news of the decade, but isn’t.
Also, EU commission (Ursula, Virkkunen, Brunner as the key players) are using the same high level group as a key source in their ProtectEU plan, which is their strategy for 2029 and includes restricting encryption. Politico article on the subject
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 May 10:56
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Yeah, it’s a blatant attempt to establish a draconic police state for the average citizenry, abhorrent shit.
It doesn’t matter if we defeat this one. They’ll just try again and again and again until it sticks.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 May 11:30
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Infection is a natural part of existence and the human organism has to fight against every infection, whether familiar or not. We’ll just to have to take our bodies’ example.
they make us fight and fight and fight until we are haggard and have no more fight in us. i hate them. Having others trying to control the group is natural. Accepting it without fighting back seems unnatural. Even wolf packs have been known to eliminate a mean-spirited leader.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Jun 11:16
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I’ve honestly started to believe that most people don’t have species consciousness (I don’t know how else to put it), in that they don’t see how their individual survival is inextricably linked to the survival (and wellbeing) of the species as a whole.
Most people don’t understand that they’re as much a part of the shit show as anyone else and as such tend to just wait things over while the building burns down around them. It’s frustrating, beyond frustrating even.
Auster@thebrainbin.org
on 26 May 12:49
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Accepting defeat is the quickest way for that. Humanity dealt with much worse already, and though they seem to be trying to be as bad, the push against them from the common citizen and the more reasonable of their peers in power is making momentum to be lost quickly.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 26 May 15:11
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The way you defeat it, is a constitution that explicitly protect these rights and empowering a court that will strike down laws that violate those rights.
Yeah about that: These laws get passed. They are enacted. People challenge them in court. The court strikes it down after a long time. Another slightly differently worded law with the same content gets passed and enacted. People challenge it in court…
Or well, the Authoritarian scum just ignore the courts.
What is needed is a strong resistance on every level. This needs to be brought to media attention, needs to be protested, the people behind it need to be public ousted, shamed and stripped from all power, the companies behind it need to be boycotted and sabotaged so they go out of business…
Waiting for courts to deal with things does not cut it with authoritarians. They only understand collective power against them.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 26 May 15:41
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Maybe laws should require judicial review before they get enacted.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 05:32
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USA never even gave their court the power to strike laws down, its just a precedent, and precedents aren’t the constitution.
Besides, all it takes is 50 senators, and the senstors on the side that supports fascism represents people than their opposition. California has the same population as like 20+ republican states, but the those 20+ states have 20 times more senators.
The court is biased and favors the far-right.
The lesson is not “all constitutions are bad”, its “The Framers of the US Constitution sucked at their job or didn’t want a real fair constitution at all”
All elected MEP, download the pdf and search on your country name or party. (no alternative since there is no search functionnalities on that page sadly)
I also suggest people to post the list of email addresses they gather so we can paste that into our email clients: email1@email.com, email2@email.com, etc I’ve done this in previous battles against these authoritarian proposals and it makes it easier.
truthfultemporarily@feddit.org
on 26 May 13:35
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No write it from scratch. With the copyright directive MEPs thought those templates were bots.
Still, it’s something to have a feedback procedure which could evolve over time to something that is paid attention to more. Compared to governments who dictate.
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Somebody coming across this and briefly checking out the context section could think this is just a regular old mass surveillance law, but when you look at the High Level Group advice EU is citing as a key source you’ll see the full image.
The craziest thing is that when a German MEP Patrick Breyer asked the EU to release the names of the people who were a part of the so called High Level Group that wrote this proposal, they replied with a list with all names blacked out. Here is Patrick Breyer’s own blog post on the subject
According to Edri ”The HLG has kept its work sessions closed, by strictly controlling which stakeholders got invited and effectively shutting down civil society participation.”. Very nice.
You can read the full High Level Group proposal here.TL;DR
And much, much more. And this law isn’t aimed towards big companies, all communication service providers are explicitly in scope no matter how small or open source.
A mass surveillance law being written by unknown lobbyists behind closed doors, demanding that the EU should monitor the internet more than Russia, being pushed by the EU commission. Should be the biggest news of the decade, but isn’t.
Also, EU commission (Ursula, Virkkunen, Brunner as the key players) are using the same high level group as a key source in their ProtectEU plan, which is their strategy for 2029 and includes restricting encryption. Politico article on the subject
Yeah, it’s a blatant attempt to establish a draconic police state for the average citizenry, abhorrent shit.
It doesn’t matter if we defeat this one. They’ll just try again and again and again until it sticks.
Infection is a natural part of existence and the human organism has to fight against every infection, whether familiar or not. We’ll just to have to take our bodies’ example.
they make us fight and fight and fight until we are haggard and have no more fight in us. i hate them. Having others trying to control the group is natural. Accepting it without fighting back seems unnatural. Even wolf packs have been known to eliminate a mean-spirited leader.
I’ve honestly started to believe that most people don’t have species consciousness (I don’t know how else to put it), in that they don’t see how their individual survival is inextricably linked to the survival (and wellbeing) of the species as a whole.
Most people don’t understand that they’re as much a part of the shit show as anyone else and as such tend to just wait things over while the building burns down around them. It’s frustrating, beyond frustrating even.
Accepting defeat is the quickest way for that. Humanity dealt with much worse already, and though they seem to be trying to be as bad, the push against them from the common citizen and the more reasonable of their peers in power is making momentum to be lost quickly.
The way you defeat it, is a constitution that explicitly protect these rights and empowering a court that will strike down laws that violate those rights.
Yeah about that: These laws get passed. They are enacted. People challenge them in court. The court strikes it down after a long time. Another slightly differently worded law with the same content gets passed and enacted. People challenge it in court…
Or well, the Authoritarian scum just ignore the courts.
What is needed is a strong resistance on every level. This needs to be brought to media attention, needs to be protested, the people behind it need to be public ousted, shamed and stripped from all power, the companies behind it need to be boycotted and sabotaged so they go out of business…
Waiting for courts to deal with things does not cut it with authoritarians. They only understand collective power against them.
Maybe laws should require judicial review before they get enacted.
? Even the USA often ignores their Constitution.
USA never even gave their court the power to strike laws down, its just a precedent, and precedents aren’t the constitution.
Besides, all it takes is 50 senators, and the senstors on the side that supports fascism represents people than their opposition. California has the same population as like 20+ republican states, but the those 20+ states have 20 times more senators.
The court is biased and favors the far-right.
The lesson is not “all constitutions are bad”, its “The Framers of the US Constitution sucked at their job or didn’t want a real fair constitution at all”
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Why do you think they cooperate with hardware manufacturers instead of OS producers or infiltrating the FOSS community harder?
I can’t wait for the first fully open source computer.
i’m a bit surprised that China hasn’t released one to sell to Americans.
My feedback: stop this bullshit and focus on actual problems.
And if anyone needs to send an email to MEP from your country about how concerning this initiative is.
We must talk about this and raise awareness.
www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/full-list/all
All elected MEP, download the pdf and search on your country name or party. (no alternative since there is no search functionnalities on that page sadly)
Do you have a nice copy pasta I can send?
I also suggest people to post the list of email addresses they gather so we can paste that into our email clients:
email1@email.com, email2@email.com, etcI’ve done this in previous battles against these authoritarian proposals and it makes it easier.No write it from scratch. With the copyright directive MEPs thought those templates were bots.
I did this a few times already and sent my mails to 20+ MEPs. The most I’ve gotten back was 3 replies.
The Europol’s precog crime-prevention AI needs to be fed again, I see. I’m assuming this is “for the safety of our children” again.
Can we go 5 minutes without someone proposing a ridicilous law?!
Can’t they focus on problems that actually matter?!
That is exactly what they are doing. Focusing on problems that actually matter TO THEM. The average person’s problem is not their problem.
Hitting you with one bad law after another is part of an intentional scheme to induce fatigue and get one by without the public noticing.
The only needed response is “no”.
Um… I’ve read the document, where does it say anything nefarious? All I can see is unifying requirements for metadata storage and time to live?
As in - to what exactly should I object, where’s the hidden poison?
Here ya go
It’s great that the EU asks for feedback like this
While coming up with such flawed laws as well. I doubt they even look at the feedback
Still, it’s something to have a feedback procedure which could evolve over time to something that is paid attention to more. Compared to governments who dictate.
Manufacturing public buy-in is a cornerstone of increasing fascism.
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Why do they use American SSOs?
Done.