What's the dirt on Waterfox?
from unicornBro@sh.itjust.works to privacy@lemmy.ml on 15 May 18:35
https://sh.itjust.works/post/38034973

I’m aware that it used to be owned by an ad company System1. But I found this post by the founder where he said that it’s now an independent project.

www.waterfox.net/…/a-new-chapter-for-waterfox/

#privacy

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hellfire103@lemmy.ca on 15 May 19:04 next collapse

Yeah, I’m pretty sure System1 divested themselves of it.

They still own Startpage and Startmail, though.

petri@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 19:26 collapse

phew and thats how i accidentally discovered just now about Startpage being owned by a marketing company, somehow i missed that news

From Wikipedia

In October 2019, Startpage received a significant investment from Privacy One Group, a subsidiary of System1.

i guess now i will have to pivot search to somewhere else, i went from DuckDuckGo to Startpage years ago now i will look around for something else

hellfire103@lemmy.ca on 16 May 19:53 next collapse

I use SearXNG. I would highly recommend.

petri@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 20:11 collapse

thanks, i heard and tried it already many times but:

  • I need to self-host (fine for doing it locally but im wary of opening it to access outside the network and be open to external threats since i wouldnt know how to properly handle that so i went for trying to selfhost 4get for being more lightweight)
  • find a trustworthy instance (don’t know how, i dont mind much on what instance i choose for YouTube frontend proxies but for searches i want to be more careful, maybe if there was a search extension to randomize instance between EU-based instances i’d feel more comfortable since its what made me pivot to Startpage years ago as it was purely a EU-based company)
Prathas@lemmy.zip on 17 May 17:52 collapse

TROM Search via https://search.trom.tf/?q=%25s will cycle through instances. Sometimes the results suck but you can simply rerun your query. This is what I currently use for everything by default.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 17 May 14:10 collapse

I switched to Brave Search when I switched to Brave, very pleased with it so far. Its image search isn’t quite as good but otherwise, I haven’t looked back.

UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world on 15 May 19:58 next collapse

That’s pretty much it afaik. Owner sold it, new owner didn’t know what to do with it, owner bought it back.

[deleted] on 15 May 20:05 next collapse

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hotwarioinyourarea@vegantheoryclub.org on 15 May 21:38 next collapse

Wasn’t the whole reason to use Waterfox because Firefox didn’t support 64x at the time? It supports it now, so why would you still use Waterfox?

foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml on 16 May 14:53 next collapse

Waterfox try to remove some blobs of Firefox out of the box, so it’s better for the normal user

sunth1ef@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 23:59 next collapse

I have found that Waterfox is slightly, slightly faster on both Windows and Android and am loving it so far.

comfy@lemmy.ml on 17 May 01:59 collapse

Waterfox try to remove some blobs of Firefox out of the box, so it’s better for the normal user

How is removing blobs better for the normal user?

foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml on 17 May 08:47 collapse

Because it makes a healthier base to work with or to simply use it without caring

Increasing privacy (and sometimes security)

stardustsystem@lemmy.world on 16 May 18:17 collapse

It got a big boost when Mozilla updated their ToS a couple months ago to say they could use your browser data to train their AI.

Well, it’s not that they said they would, it’s that they updated their terms so that they could if they wanted to. For some (myself included) that was enough.

quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 May 13:04 next collapse

dirt on water? mud?

jinwk00@lemm.ee on 16 May 14:37 collapse

MudFox?

GreyCat@lemmy.world on 16 May 17:07 next collapse

Yeah Tuff, give me some fresh dirt.

MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip on 16 May 20:52 next collapse

I’m wondering if I should use it as well. I know LibreWolf isn’t for me

unicornBro@sh.itjust.works on 16 May 21:31 next collapse

I use it for everyday things like schoolwork and gmail and it works great so far. I still have Librewolf on the side but it seems like it’s for more privacy and that you’re not supposed to change it too much for example adding more extensions or it defeats the purpose of it.

MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip on 16 May 21:33 collapse

Yea, it feels like the tor browser of clear web

helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world on 17 May 04:48 collapse

I am curious why Librewolf isn’t for you?

Overall I’ve had no issue with librewolf. It’s runs just like Firefox without some of the bloat. The very few sites I’ve found don’t work, don’t work on FF either (usually payment/online stores with popups and shit). Download whatever extension, change the settings and even sign into Firefox cloud. Yes, you’ll make your “fingerprint” more unique but, the other security improvemts/defaults make it a worthy trade off.

Biggest annoyance is by default cookies/logged in sites are wiped on close. That can easily be changed globally, or white list what you want to save site settings for. Signing out of websites is a good habit anyway, especially ones with payment attached.

The neat part is there’s a lot options to pick from, some of them are doing cool things like the one outta Japan Floorp looks interesting.

MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip on 17 May 13:47 next collapse

I want to keep cookies to log in easily or to keep some preferences in specific websites

I want to keep the history for autofill urls and stuff

I don’t want to keep light theme by default, as well as fixed browser size, and I have to entirely remove fingerprinting protection for that

At this point I’m just using LibreWolf with settings a lot of people don’t use. Might as well use Firefox with custom about:config entries…

Its default settings are not good for everyday people, and even for privacy enthusiasts. They’re for paranoid people, at the cost of making the browser much less enjoyable

pineapplelover@lemm.ee on 17 May 14:01 collapse

I’ve heard good things about Zen Browser if you want to give that a try.

MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip on 17 May 14:10 next collapse

I’m still a bit scared of it being in beta. Security issues are the kind of things you really don’t want in a browser

TruePe4rl@lemmy.ml on 18 May 02:14 collapse

I am currently using Floorp, which also adds plenty of features. Haven’t tried Zen yet, but it looks interesting.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 17 May 14:08 collapse

Can’t answer for them but for me, sites would break, the cookie management was a pain in the backside, and I hated having it start in windowed literally every time I’d start the browser. It also doesn’t handle containers as well as the original FF addon did.

helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world on 17 May 19:22 collapse

Forgot about the window size thing, I looked up the setting to make it open normally.

I know I’m defeating the purpose by undoing some of the settings, but I’d rather the defaults be set for privacy and I disable the few that are overbearing/hindering my use. Never did use containers, so I didn’t know it was bad.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 18 May 01:30 collapse

Yeah, I just feel like for my use case, I didn’t need all of those extra features that LibreWolf has. If people want privacy, it and Mullvad are great Firefox options, but Waterfox is more than solid for people who use it as an alternative for big tech type stuff.

loomy@lemy.lol on 17 May 00:08 next collapse

just ignore it.

use librewolf, mullvad, or tor browser.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 17 May 14:06 next collapse

I switched to it after the Firefox debacle. Brave is my main browser and I used Firefox as an alt, but now it’s just Brave and Waterfox.

It’s not as heavy on the privacy protections as LibreWolf but it’s nowhere near the level of site breakage that I got with LibreWolf. Plus, unlike LibreWolf whose chief maintainer is heavily political and includes those politics in what changes are pushed (another major reason I abandoned Firefox), I have yet to see any blatant political statements or actions with Waterfox.

Considering the fact that I never used Firefox for privacy so much as having an alt to keep big tech sites separate from my main traffic, it works just fine.

MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 17 May 14:24 next collapse

Presumably, there would be no dirt, since water cleans dirt off of foxes. <img alt="spinny_fox, fox, spinny" src="https://cdn.blahaj.zone/files/c302bf90-c2b5-4051-970d-0a7171724bea.gif">

crozilla@lemmy.world on 17 May 19:06 collapse

+1 for Waterfox