That groan you hear is users’ reaction to Recall going back into Windows (arstechnica.com)
from zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml to privacy@lemmy.ml on 11 Apr 23:18
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sgibson5150@slrpnk.net on 11 Apr 23:34 next collapse

Can’t spell “copilot” without “cop”.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 11 Apr 23:35 collapse

you can definetly spell “linux” without “cop”

CallateCoyote@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 23:49 next collapse

I literally only use Windows for video games these days and Steam OS is looking better and better for that.

Geodad@lemm.ee on 12 Apr 00:08 next collapse

I use Debian for video games. Haven’t had a problem yet.

Concave1142@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 00:39 next collapse

Doing the same on Ubuntu myself after trying Bazzite for a couple weeks. Bazzite kept messing up SSSD and would prevent me from authenticating with my home domain.

Will definitely try SteamOS once it is fully released.

ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 00:40 collapse

Most distros will run games just about the same as any other. No point waiting for SteamOS like it’s the golden egg.

I use Mint btw.

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 03:35 collapse

Buts its unique Gamescope is hard to recreate

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 20:47 collapse

Just install gamescope then

github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 11:23 collapse

Thats very wrong. Its hard to get just gamescope as Login together with steam and think everything works.

I am unsure what was missing but many people get low fps when doing it by themselves while the steam deck works fine.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 13 Apr 20:44 collapse

I’ve only used it with Heroic and had no issues

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml on 14 Apr 23:09 collapse

No issues doesnt mean there is no difference. Its still not the same at all.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 15 Apr 00:29 collapse

What am I missing that I don’t realize is missing

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml on 15 Apr 11:44 collapse

Seems like, to have the exact same thing, you need to is set this up.

github.com/Grimish-ng/steam-gamescope-guide

But idk what my brain really wants. It still feels like the Steam Deck has less issues with ganescope than some people on their hardware. Maybe I also have read that stuttering is solved when using a tty instead of Desktop to put Gamescope on.

I really dont know if you used Gamescope on your Desktop or not. But I also experienced wrong keyboard mappings and inability.

Additionally, on a Desktop, you will have some Latency added but its not noticable.

Charger@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 11:00 next collapse

You can also use wine and other emulators to play games.

UprisingVoltage@feddit.it on 12 Apr 12:54 next collapse

Look into bazzite. LTT and Game Foundry have made videos about it too, and they were pleasantly surprised

TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip on 12 Apr 17:18 collapse

Pretty much any Linux distro will work for gaming. Some just do more work for you at the beginning. Linux mint, Pop OS, Endeavor, manjaro, etc, you can game on basically any of them. After familiarizing myself I eventually swapped to Arch, but if any of the other distros I mentioned work, and you feel satisfied with it, then stick with it. Its about finding a distro you enjoy and can work around despite it’s flaws.

UprisingVoltage@feddit.it on 12 Apr 19:10 collapse

Yeah, some distros just make it easier for the user

OrgunDonor@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 12:57 next collapse

I really wish sim racing worked well on Linux. The other stuff I need windows for I can work around or compromise. But the sim rig is just too damn windows dependant

Thorned_Rose@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 22:04 next collapse

Will it work running in a VM with pass through?

CallateCoyote@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:09 collapse

Yeah, I’m big on Visual Pinball VR and I don’t think anybody has that running on Linux.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 12 Apr 17:36 next collapse

SteamOS will not be your best option for desktop. Stop waiting for it. It’s made for the Deck and console like experiences, not desktop. It’s immutable too, which is great for a console experience, but probably not ideal for a desktop user.

Just go download Linux now. There’s nothing special in SteamOS that you need. I use Garuda, which is Arch based (which SteamOS is also, if that matters), and has a version specifically designed for gaming. It comes with most of what you could need set up, and a tool to quickly install any packages you may want for additional things like controllers or whatever.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 20:46 next collapse

immutable too, which is great for a console experience, but probably not ideal for a desktop user.

What?

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 12 Apr 21:02 collapse

howtogeek.com/what-is-an-immutable-linux-distro/

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 22:32 collapse

I know what it is, my question was more at the “not for desktop use”

I think being able to rollback is better for new users

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 13 Apr 00:39 collapse

Sure, that is an advantage. There’s a lot of advantages. I just don’t think it’s good for users willing to learn. It’s good to make sure the user can’t fuck up, but then it also limits what they can do. I think if you’ve made it here and can use a full OS currently, you should try a non-immutable distro. If it turns out you fuck it up then you can swap to something that’ll hold your hand.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 13 Apr 00:57 collapse

Fair enough

nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org on 12 Apr 21:05 collapse

It’s immutable too, which is great for a console experience, but probably not ideal for a desktop user.

I’ve been enjoying Fedora Atomic, personally.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 12 Apr 21:08 next collapse

There’s pros and cons. I personally don’t want an immutable distro, but there are reasons for it. It’s especially good for what the Deck is with a large portion of people who probably don’t know what they’re doing.

bilb@lem.monster on 12 Apr 22:20 collapse

Aurora DX (which is based on Fedora atomic) has been the best distro I’ve used in a long time. Immutable OSes are great for general purpose desktop use! I set up a container for each development environment and never need to worry about conflicting dependencies anymore. But yeah, I wouldn’t go with Steam OS for that. Steam works fine on pretty much any modern distro, so I don’t see any obvious benefit to using it.

Stormy@noc.social on 13 Apr 12:40 next collapse

@CallateCoyote @zdhzm2pgp

I installed Bazzite on my ROG Ally to get rid of Windows. I have a gaming laptop with Windows installed for 3 games that aren't compatible with Linux and that's all it's used for.

elatedCatfish@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 19:34 collapse

Bazzite works wonders for gaming. Nvidia cards are supposedly the one’s you will have to tinker with a bit, but everything besides VR has worked for me without needing to do a thing. Only really needed to install ALVR to get that working which took about 20-30 minutes to get set up.

You can also undervolt, overclock and all that with LACT. I believe it’s installable through the software center too if I’m remembering correctly. It fully supports Nvidia cards now.

CallateCoyote@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 21:56 collapse

VR is indeed a thing that keeps me chained to Windows for now. I spend a lot of time in Visual Pinball VR especially! But it’s not the biggest problem having a dual boot situation and only using Windows for games. Perhaps one day even VR will be doable in Linux and I can abandon Windows entirely. For now, it looks like my gaming sessions are going to be spied on so I better aim to impress. Heh.

elatedCatfish@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 22:54 collapse

Well, from my experience as someone who’s pretty new to Linux, it was very easy to set up as long as you follow the guide on the ALVR website. I had to do that for Oculus. Depending on the headset you have, it may work without needing to install any extra software! Been playing Half Life: Alyx and Walking Dead: Saints & Sinners without any problems.

Taleya@aussie.zone on 12 Apr 01:14 next collapse

Fuuucking hell. I have to keep a laptop on win for work purposes and i just finished decrapifying 11 last night

tyrant@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 03:05 next collapse

Microsoft has shown over the years they will undo your preferences if they aren’t what they prefer. They are the worst

Cris16228@lemmy.today on 12 Apr 07:31 collapse

massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

It should have little to 0 crap since its the version used by companies

Emptiness@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 07:33 next collapse

I just want to tip my fellow colleagues that need to use windows for their job (and also maybe have invested thousands in pc games).

This is my favorite tool for debloating and uncrappifying and more. If you have others please reply with yours. 😊

christitus.com/windows-tool/

Cris16228@lemmy.today on 12 Apr 07:41 collapse

Or install an OS without most of the crap? massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

I use linux so idk how that is but I heard is lightweight in bs

ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 15:56 next collapse

Hey, thanks for the laptop IT guy! Yeah everyone around the office has been very welcoming, I’m happy to be here. I’m pretty handy with computers so hopefully I won’t be bothering you too much haha…. Yeah anyway, I know you just imaged this laptop, but the thing is, I really don’t like all the fluff in the Windows updates, can I instead provide my own Windows image? It’s straight from Microsoft but you get it through a site called MASS GRAVE. And then you can apply the group policies and enable the drive mapping scripts and reinstall the secure company network client infrastructure —

I think when most people mean work they mean corporate where you have zero control. I’m just happy they let me use PowerTools. At home, manually amputating pieces of Windows has been a bit fiddly but no less fiddly than what people think configuring is still like.

It’s annoying, but for most people, even among the technically inclined, it’s fine. For now. I’m more likely to pivot to Linux than to OSX eventually.

Emptiness@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 10:09 collapse

Nah, I’ve done my share of home brewed ISOs in my day. That was fun for younger me. Work is standard Enterprise MS stuff. At home for lab, customization and trying the bleeding edge features a standard manually de bloated windows is fine. I’m too old, practical stuff to make work just work is fine. Plus I can toss on a game without having to jump through hoops.

You youngsters can rebel against the big corps. I’ll cheer you on from my rocking chair.

irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Apr 08:11 next collapse

Even if Copilot was suspended, the idea was put into the heads of managers and executives. My work laptop current has three applications constantly locking files as they track everything I do and every file that gets touched and upload it all to the servers. Git now takes a ridiculous amount of time to check in and push files since it creates tons of small changes to the cached files that a the tracking applications block further changes or uploads until they can record the information. It takes about 30 seconds to a minute to check in a single small file. Something that used to take a second or two at most. Worst part is if I’m in a WebEx meeting, the fighting over caches in it and git and any other processes,often causes deadlocks that crash the machine. I’m constantly apologizing for being late for meetings because the laptop crashed and had to reboot. It’s gotten to the point that they finally gave me a much faster laptop rather than just excluding cache and git folders and such from the tracking because the people who want literally everything tracked don’t know what cache or git is, much less how much useless data they’re gathering or how the AI that analyzes it all is going yo get distracted by the garbage and not find any useful data anyway. Microsoft needs to get in the game to push the others back out.

nagaram@startrek.website on 12 Apr 11:48 next collapse

No bro! I promise bro! It’s just because Michaelsoft isnt tracking and indexing that info. I promise this next micromanaging software won’t be as bad! The next one will be as good as teams bro! I promise!

Jason2357@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 18:12 collapse

I ran into this as my IDE is also constantly touching temporary files to maintain its state. It wasn’t copilot though, it was one drive. So I moved my work files into a local-only location, and then periodically rsync to the synced folder, excluding .git and other folders that have no business on a synced folder.

ne0phyte@feddit.org on 13 Apr 15:15 collapse

Why would you even have git repositories in OneDrive in the first place? Or are those local-only repos without an actual server to push to?

Jason2357@lemmy.ca on 16 Apr 20:40 collapse

Because the workflow for a lot of people is to have projects in folders which are synced to Onedrive. That allows for collaboration with colleagues that are not using git, as well as backup/archival of files and access from different computers or online sharing. My workflow of using rsync to periodically copy the files (–exclude .git) works, but isn’t ideal. If I forget or someone else edits something, I have to manually deal with conflicts. I guess the real answer is just “not everyone is a software dev.”

gwilikers@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 08:13 next collapse

Took this crap off my computer and installed Fedora as my daily. If I need to run Windows, I’ll run it in a VM.

Jason2357@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 17:52 next collapse

When I originally switched, I kept an ultra clean windows 2000 VM going for a solid decade. Any time I needed it, I could install stuff, do the work, and then blow away the crud that always builds up with Windows. I would suggest using the oldest version of Windows you can practically use, de-bloating it, and taking vm snapshots.

You could even firewall it using another VM or the host if you wanted. Put windows in jail, erase its memory, and cut it off from the outside world so it behaves, lol.

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz on 12 Apr 23:55 collapse

I have yet to need Windows for anything and I switched when my WinXP machine decided booting was too difficult.

nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 19:59 collapse

Fedora’s like the Windows of Linux.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 20:44 collapse

No it’s not

nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Apr 21:08 collapse

Yes huh.

biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 16:45 collapse

What aspects then? You can’t just throw out a baseless statement without justification and think others will agree with you.

nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 20:50 collapse

Why would you assume I expect others to agree with me?

biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works on 14 Apr 04:12 collapse

because you gave no justification for calling fedora the windows of Linux. Simple as that.

HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 09:03 next collapse

Windows is malware. If you give the slightest shit about your privacy, switch ASAP

burak@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 12:28 next collapse

Just made the switch to ZorinOS (aesthetics + pre installed FOSS). Couldn’t be happier. My laptop is shockingly silent and cool even when I’m running multiple apps.

untorquer@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 00:32 collapse

It’s incredible how much processor windows telemetry uses.

burak@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 00:44 collapse

Even when I put it to sleep. I feel like I own my laptop again after I kicked Windows out of it.

silasmariner@programming.dev on 12 Apr 20:54 collapse

Is ASAP Linux a variant of Asahi that I’m not hip enough to get?

twinnie@feddit.uk on 12 Apr 10:04 next collapse

I’m not going to use this myself but I don’t know why everyone’s complaining about it so much. It requires opt-in, it does all the processing locally, and if someone nefarious gets to the point they can read this stuff then they’ll already be able to record your screen, log keystrokes, etc. I expect it won’t be straightforward to view the data as well, it’s not just gonna be a folder full of jpegs.

I’m glad that people are actually trying to make interesting features still. OSs have been so boring years now, it’s good to see people actually trying to introduce standout features even if they are controversial. More of this I say.

Pirata@lemm.ee on 12 Apr 10:31 next collapse

It requires opt-in,

Because GDPR requires it to be so. Ask people overseas if they can turn that feature off.

With the current government they have in the US, is this really something that the anybody should be comfortable having?

Also, nothing is stopping malware from turning it on without your consent, because the technology will be backed in into the OS by default.

and if someone nefarious gets to the point they can read this stuff then they’ll already be able to record your screen, log keystrokes, etc

So we should just ignore that Microsoft just created a new attack vector that nobody asked for?

I expect it won’t be straightforward to view the data as well, it’s not just gonna be a folder full of jpegs.

Source?

I’m glad that people are actually trying to make interesting features still.

What’s interesting about this? Not only are you training AI models using your data without getting paid for it, I don’t understand what use case you can have by asking Microsoft what porn you were watching at 2 am of February 19th. For important stuff that needs remembering, you can just go back to your browser history. Its easier to search there than to remember the specific time you were doing something anyway.

Literally, nobody wants this.

OSs have been so boring years now, it’s good to see people actually trying to introduce standout features even if they are controversial. More of this I say.

Okay so this is that mindset that seems to permeate the Tech industry through and through, these days. The idea that things that are working fine, need to be forcefully “improved” even when it’s not necessary.

A pen can’t just be a pen anymore, it needs to connect to the cloud so that the ink levels can be properly measured and new ink sent to you on a subscription basis to make sure you never run out of ink.

A juicer needs its own proprietary juice bags and it won’t work with different ones, and how does it know you’re not using the brand’s originals? Why, it must be connected to the internet of course, otherwise it won’t juice.

Your car can’t just be a car anymore, it needs to have integrated mics and an internet connection so that the manufacturer can listen to all your calls and ear your sex sounds, and then sell that to advertisers who will know whether they should sell you a MagicWand or fisting lube, based on whether the moaning sounds they heard coming out of your car sound masculine or feminine.

So on and so forth.

You might think your take is unique, but it really isn’t. It aligns perfectly with everything that companies want nowadays, which is to get your data at all costs.

For me, I want none of that shit. To the point that I go out of my way to make sure I only buy stuff that doesn’t connect to the internet.

Which, BTW, this is the privacy community, I thought there was a common understanding of how abusing these features are, but I guess not.

ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 02:38 collapse

I expect it won’t be straightforward to view the data as well, it’s not just gonna be a folder full of jpegs.

Source?

Tbf, I (and I’m a random third guy not the guy to which you’re replying, for clarity’s sake), also doubt it’ll be a folder of jpegs…but I think it’ll be fairly trivial to exploit whatever it is, and it’ll take way too much storage (storage cheap now, whatever, I know I’m old but I don’t use cloud and I’ve got other shit to spend money on than HDDs or SSDs, which I do also need as a pirate/data hoarder and don’t want to waste space on).

I don’t understand what use case you can have by asking Microsoft what porn you were watching at 2 am of February 19th.

Well you see I have my browser set to delete history on exit because of security so this would override that and keep the history…that I…deleted… Wait…

Lmao idfk why people would possibly want this either.

Chemo@discuss.tchncs.de on 12 Apr 12:01 next collapse

if someone nefarious gets to the point they can read this stuff then they’ll already be able to record your screen, log keystrokes, etc.

The point is, that with Recall, they can do this back in time. A regular keylogger can only see what you do after he was installed. If you realize that your computer was compromised fast enough, then you can react. With Recall, everything you did in the last months is open to the attacker.

lemmylommy@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 14:07 next collapse

Well, that someone nefarious who gets access can then only steal from that point on. Recall will allow him to find out you were having a wank last Tuesday at 7PM.

unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 22:06 collapse

…if someone nefarious gets to the point they can read this stuff then they’ll already be able to record your screen, log keystrokes, etc.

No screenshots -> less data. Less data -> lower breach severity.

(Unless you have an unusual threat model)

pyre@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 10:21 next collapse

time for player 2 to join

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Charger@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 10:58 next collapse

I always keep an old windows iso file just incase I need to use it.

Urist@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 16:28 collapse

Slap it into a VM. Name it jail. Call it Windows with bars.

MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 11:38 next collapse

Is this legal in EU? I mean not the tool itself but just enabling it by default.

Chemo@discuss.tchncs.de on 12 Apr 11:50 next collapse

GDPR regulation mandates that their is at least informed consent. So MS has to ask users if they want all their data to be uploaded. This includes of course a disable option. But knowing big tech companies, they’ll find a way to make users press that Okay button.

lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 13:34 next collapse

From the comments it seems like you have to opt in to the screenshots. But I’m sure they do it at the bottom of a three thousand page EULA or something so most users will wind up opting in by default

lightnsfw@reddthat.com on 12 Apr 22:15 collapse

Probably in the same dark pattern bullshit they do to get you to turn the rest of their crap on.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 00:41 collapse

Yes, you can modify your property to your like, Windows needs your consents, not the other way arrount.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 12 Apr 16:38 next collapse

No, it was chrome crashing. I dont use Windows

Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee on 12 Apr 19:24 next collapse

I’m certain this can be disabled in windows at any moment as without it loads and loads of criminal evidence would be available for discovery and litigation against the wealthiest people and businesses across the world.

A real fear is being a worker in a world with micromanagers inspecting your workweek, 3 second snapshots at a time.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 20:43 next collapse

Windows as is, is a valid, fast and private OS. The lack is that it is by default a bundleware, full of telemetries, spyware, services which nobody needs, trials and other crap “to improve the user experience”. All this can be gutted by an advanced user. The alternastive for those which need use Windows, is to install one of the WindowsX series, an independent modification and optimization, without all these M$ crap.

mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 21:05 next collapse

I don’t see anywhere where I can see the source code of that build. Not saying it’s a bad project just that I’d like more transparency.

I’m more trusting of the debloat scripts that I can read and inspect. github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 21:57 collapse

Well, there are several methodes, WinX is one of the options and naturally can’t be OpenSource, because Windows isn’t, even not in this debloated version. As you said, there are several FOSS tools to do it, maybe the best is the hellzerg Optimizer, very capable to eliminate the bad Windows habits and apart improving the system-

ohshit604@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 21:50 next collapse

Quick way of accomplishing the “de-bloating” of windows is by 1) managing your own DNS and blocking telemetry connections network wide (quite easy to do with PiHole + Docker Engine) or 2) installing Glasswire and blocking connections on the specific device however, I believe Glasswires Firewall is subscription based so this may be a turn-off for people.

Either work and are more efficient than digging around your Windows install and finding all the different variants of the same bloatware.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 22:01 next collapse

I use Portmaster, there go nothing in or out without my permissions.

ohshit604@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 22:33 collapse

Ah I figured Portmaster was only for Linux, I dabbled around their software and found it quite good!

I think the reason I stopped using it in lieu of OpenSnitch was because 1) most features were locked behind a subscription and 2) already had PiHole running so the firewall wasn’t something I really needed.

Regardless thanks for letting me know it works for Windows, I’ll started recommending it over Glasswire!

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 23:07 collapse

There are no need of subscriptions in Portmaster, it’s FOSS. Well, the subscription is only if you want to use additional also the inbuild SPN service (optional service), which need an paid subscription like any good VPN (server cost money). I Prefer to use Portmaster over Pi-Hole, because Portmaster permits per app settings, Pi-Hole don’tm apart is way easier to setup, with already a good default settings, its almost download it, run install and peace. Then maybe open it, browse your listed apps and block their traffic if needed with an click.

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lud@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 00:18 next collapse

Windows has a built in firewall, so why install a paid one?

ohshit604@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 00:35 collapse

Not nearly as user friendly for the non-networking types hence why I recommend one with a fancy GUI.

Edit: Also, I suspect Microsoft will do Microsoft things and hide/prevent their telemetry from being blocked, ultimately I don’t know the state of Windows right now as I’ve made the switched to Linux many years ago.

untorquer@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 00:29 collapse

Simplewall works quite well too!

unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works on 12 Apr 21:54 next collapse

All this can be gutted by an advanced user.

Talk is cheap. Show me the code.

muusemuuse@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 02:55 collapse

valid, fast and private OS wut?

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 11:36 collapse

Yes, as said, the problem isn’t the OS as is, it’s all the crap, spy- and bloatware which M$ put in it.

Stormy@noc.social on 13 Apr 12:19 collapse

@Zerush @muusemuuse all of that "crap, spy- and bloatware" is baked into the OS and the only reliable way to remove it isn't not use Windows.

The problem is 100% the OS.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 14:46 collapse

It isn’t, I use currently W11 24H2 with less than 0,9GB on disk, no unwanted nettraffic shown in Portmaster. Full BOOT in less than 5 seconds and snappy responses. No problems with it, no unwanted apps in the updates or other issues. This certainly wasn’t the case as default in my new laptop. Well “un-microsofted” Windows, not even with it’s original UI.

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muusemuuse@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 19:00 collapse

Tools that claim to lighten windows are almost always riddled with malware. You should never ever trust them. Those project build a base of loyal users, then change and add in malware later, compromising the system.

Windows is not a system you modify like that. It’s actually surprisingly Mac like in how you have to handle it. Be responsible. Build an OS up and out, bow down and back.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 19:09 collapse

The hellzerg Optimizer is FOSS and well known since years, do not confuse with proprietary tools, like those from IObit or Ashampoo, these are certainly not recommended. Anyway, also with the default Windows GodMode you can do a lot, also with the Regedit, if you know well what you do (somewhat risky)

muusemuuse@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 19:11 collapse

The windows registry is not a magical thing. That’s really all that dangerous. It’s just a giant central config file that you can store binary data in if you know what you’re doing. Malware can hide there too.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 21:35 collapse

Agree, it’s not recommended to edit the registry when you don’t know exactly what you’re doing, less in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, it’s very easy to have to re-install the OS because of an total crash.

muusemuuse@lemm.ee on 14 Apr 05:43 collapse

That’s not because the registry is important or powerful. It’s the opposite. Microsoft designs their shitty operating systems to always assume the registry is perfect. Question nothing. Everything is literal. There is no sanity checking or error handling. So if something is off about the registry, the OS will just shrug and blue screen.

Stop using windows. It’s for children.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 14 Apr 10:00 collapse

I am very far from being a child ( I’m over 70 and I probably have grandchildren of your age) and I know very well what is expected of the operating systems. What is childish is consider a system better than others, forgetting that this is always dependent on the opinions and needs of the individual.

I have used both, Windows as well as different distros of Linux, and I know very well the advantages and limitations of both. You forget that many corporate applications and professional ones (games apart) do only exist for Windows, with alternatives poor in Linux or just work poorly with Wine or in virtual environment.

Linux certainly has many advantages over Windows, but it has a big problem of a huge amount of different distros, not always compatible with each other, being apart (still) in general a minority system, with little presence in the market, and also a presence of less the availability of software, far from the amplitude of catalogues for Windows, even in respect of FOSS and FLOSS. Linux has advantages in field-specific uses, Windows, apart from its defects, is in the global scope. It’s very easy to say “use Linux” (Qu’ils mangent de la brioche) to someone who needs to use Windows for some reasons, instead of the way to get rid of the problems which he has with it.

But keep saying that the registry is of no importance, and with the following phrase that Windows stops working when something wrong is deactivated or deleted in one of the entries, just what I said before, this is childish and shows your “great knowledge” about how Windows works.

Cheers

muusemuuse@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 02:55 collapse

Microsoft turns things back on all the time though. It doesn’t matter what you set if they can unset it whenever they want.

primemagnus@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 21:14 next collapse

For the memory of a lifetime. Recall, Recall, Recall.

Horsey@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 21:28 next collapse

I mean,I get that Microsoft is trying to compete with MacOS and its Time Machine software, but why not just start from there and add the other bits as optional to the user? lol

Evotech@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:37 next collapse

You need to push the boundaries to get anyone to give a shit

ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 23:32 collapse

Time Machine is just backup software isn’t it? It’s not doing an involuntary index of all your activity and content you interact with, right?

Horsey@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 23:47 collapse

Yes, as far as I know it just backs up the system and user files.

WetBeardHairs@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:04 next collapse

Hey copilot - what was that website I found with the sweet ass interracial stepsibling fuckin? You know the one where that sis’s ass popped just the right way? Not the one with the first-cousins. I gotta draw the line somewhere. I mean, that was ALSO great porn but I have pre-postnut clarity here and that kind of shit just aint what I need right now.

davidagain@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 22:39 next collapse

This is truly awful. Microsoft need to return to sanity. Awful awful awful.

bampop@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 23:14 next collapse

Yay, now when your coworkers suggest getting some sushi and you use your laptop to look up the nearest restaurant, you’re going to get a paperclip pop up saying “It looks like you’re trying to get back to that tentacle porn hentai you nutted to last night. Would you like help with jerking off?”

lud@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 00:16 collapse

Obviously recall is bad but for fuck sakes don’t use company property for watching porn.

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LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 00:27 next collapse

Former Win10 user here, also a former MS employee, now on Mint. I never even heard of Recall but holy crap on a cracker, Microsoft - seriously? SERIOUSLY?

You guys have absolutely lost your fucking minds. My advice is to make Microsoft great again by quitting and forming a bunch of startups, where you can work on innovations that are actually good and useful. For the sake of your own sanity.

muusemuuse@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 02:53 next collapse

I firmly believe this will go the way of Cortana once the AI bubble bursts. What I’m more concerned about is the normalization of terrible security and privacy practices.

secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 12:30 next collapse

Windows is awful. Why do you want that decaying ship with rotten wood to float?

PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 23:55 collapse

Let me also tell you a story about them dumping windows mixed reality…

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 14 Apr 00:43 collapse

Please do! Are we talking about Microsoft Bob or what?

While I was there they were working on integrating presence detection. I saw some demos where lights would go on and off when you walked from room to room, and music you were listening to would follow you. If you were using a computer your desktop environment would migrate to a computer in the new room. Never saw that hit the market in any way I was aware of.

Lots of stuff MS Research did never saw the light of day. One time when my kids were playing Toontown I found a bug that let a player slip behind the graphics. You could see that the clerk at the store was just a legless torso floating in the air, and you could even go behind the walls and fly backwards into empty space until the whole world shrank to a dot. This same bug was present in a MS project called V-Worlds I had worked on a couple years earlier, so I always wondered if they had made a deal with Disney to use the code or if it was just a common graphics bug.

deepfuckingdumb@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 00:27 next collapse

Listen, telling other members of a privacy community on lemmy to “just switch to Linux bro” is an enormous waste of time. What this problem needs is outreach beyond tech communities. Ever see those basic ass shorts on Facebook or whatever for “top 7 tips and tricks for becoming an Excel master”? That’s the stupid shit this problem needs. Some broccoli haired tiktoker needs to get in front of people and show them that Linux is not scary. That people have a third option aside from Windows and Mac.

Then, when increasing groups of confused people filter into these threads asking how to uninstall an app, we need to be fucking nice and not admonish them for being new. Lead them through the DE, not CLI. Seriously, want to break 5-6% of OS marketshare? Hold people’s hand through it.

After that, then maybe…just maybe, the likes of Autodesk and Adobe will perk up and start supporting Linux.

AntAcid@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 00:44 next collapse

Linux bros have been told this for literally decades. They’ll never get it. As long as I can’t use my air pods or even the built in fingerprint reader for my laptop, plug and play, I won’t even try making the switch.

Linux is serverware with a barely working GUI and people are still talking about “just switch”.

ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Apr 01:51 next collapse

My airpods and fingerprint reader (framework 16) work fine on Fedora, sometimes it just be like that.

muusemuuse@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 02:50 next collapse

Linux is everywhere and doing everything already. Windows only continues to exist because business majors are in charge and they are fucking dumb.

metacolon@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 13 Apr 17:58 next collapse

Did you give it a try recently?

ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 18:15 collapse

I agree with the first part of what you said, but I disagree with your last sentence.

I have been using Linux on my desktop PCs and laptops since 2017 and it’s been working great for me, even playing games. Honestly, I probably play more games on Linux than I did back when I was on Windows lol

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 01:39 next collapse

I wish I could just keep upvoting this.

I’ll add, want to see your average person roll their eyes and say “nope”, just tell them they have to manually edit a bunch of config files to get going. How much about your car do you need to know to start your car and get somewhere?

Stormy@noc.social on 13 Apr 02:27 next collapse

@deepfuckingdumb @zdhzm2pgp

A. Fuck Adobe
B. I tend to direct people to Linux Mint. It's so user friendly and similar to Windows its perfect for the Windows Refugees to start out with. It's what I installed two months ago after having used Windows since Windows 95.

Crismus@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 18:14 next collapse

I use mint and only had one game so far with a problem. The game was 20 years old and couldn’t scale to an ultrawide monitor.

So far most things just work. Except the locked streaming services that force anti-Linux. For that I just sail the high seas.

PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 19:15 next collapse

  • Illustrator
  • InDesign
  • Photoshop
  • AutoCAD
  • Revit
  • Civil3D
  • ReCap Pro
  • Outlook
  • Bluebeam Revu
  • Large Format printer support drivers
  • AMD drivers
  • Steam VR

I can run outlook and MS 365 in a browser so it’s really the other stuff I need functional to be able to switch.–

SpongyAneurism@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz on 14 Apr 09:34 collapse

You are using all of these yourself? What kind of crazy job is that?

deepfuckingdumb@lemmy.world on 17 Apr 19:43 collapse

Architect.

trashboat@midwest.social on 13 Apr 22:21 collapse

I want to dump Adobe very badly but it’s still the industry standard for creative firms everywhere

secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 12:27 next collapse

But why even care if some random loser gets fucked by Microsoft? It’s like the religious idiots out there who don’t believe in global warming and hate trans people: you can’t deprogram stupid. It’s like waging a war against bears taking a shit in rivers.

mriormro@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 15:14 next collapse

It’s an operating system, you fucking dweeb. Your weird moralizing only alienates potential users. And guess what? Without users, a thing dies.

BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 23:45 next collapse

Linux has plenty of users who appreciate it for what it is, not how you can make it look and act like Windows. Linux doesn’t need those people.

jerkface@lemmy.ca on 14 Apr 13:41 next collapse

The lack of self-awareness in this comment is depressing

secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world on 18 Apr 11:25 collapse

Dweeb!?! How do you know that? Leave me alone you malevolent hacker.

GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 19:57 collapse

I don’t understand why Linux users are like this.

PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 23:52 collapse

Elite smugness

someacnt@sh.itjust.works on 13 Apr 12:31 next collapse

I don’t think this community is a stronghold of linux, as you can see in the comments. We need to start from somewhere.

thermal_shock@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 12:32 next collapse

Yeah,there is one dude in the Linux group here that is just a complete jackass. Half answers your question, and most of it is just telling you a line of code with no other input and basically treating you like an ass hole for even asking. I don’t remember his name, I have him blocked, but absolutely hated seeing Linux posts with this fucking turd each time. Very demeaning and completely ruins the community. I feel like his personality is just trash and he’s always in a “roll your eyes / deep sigh” mood.

FauxLiving@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 15:57 next collapse

There’s one (at least) of them in every special interest group.

Brisket@lemmy.ca on 13 Apr 23:26 collapse

You’ve described like…half the IT guys I’ve worked with over the years. You’ve got them on one side, and the super awesome, slap you on the back fun IT guy. Nothing in between.

PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 19:10 next collapse

I’m halfway competent, spent 10 years in IT and even compiled my own kernel back in the early 2000s.

My last 3 attempts at running Ubuntu turned into complete and utter failures, including having to totally reinstall the system over the top of itself because the system became so corrupted it wouldn’t even boot.

And, I barely got steam to work on it. I wasted hundreds of hours and ended up with a barely functional computer that couldn’t print, didn’t support my computers wifi card, and 90% of my work programs aren’t available.

Oh, and someone please support AMD video cards.

iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world on 14 Apr 07:27 collapse

Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Truth hurts I guess? I have worked in IT for more than 25 years, installed Slackware from floppies in the 90s and have tried Linux countless times since. Every. Single. Time I end up wasting my time trying to fix hardware drivers or being forced to accept the programs I want to use don’t work on Linux and the alternative programs are just plain worse.

Oh and I have used Debian, Ubuntu, RedHat, Fedora, Mint, Slackware, Pop! Os, Alpine, Gentoo.

BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 23:44 collapse

Personally I’m tired of people telling disgruntled Windows users to switch to Linux.

Linux is not your backup plan, it’s not a “Windows alternative”. Yes, there are projects out there that try to make Linux easier for Windows users, and honestly they can fuck right off. Way too many people are trying to dumb down this incredibly powerful operating system to expand the market into the “gamers” and the “grannies who want to browse the web and send e-mail”.

Just… just stop.

SaltSong@startrek.website on 14 Apr 02:57 next collapse

I thought the whole point of Linux was that there was one for everyone? A computer itself is an incredible potent tool, but most people just want to use Facebook and YouTube.

peterbagel@lemm.ee on 14 Apr 05:31 collapse

Why do some say “its not a windows alternative”? As someone who replaced windows with it, that doesn’t make sense to me. I can do almost everything in Linux that I did in windows, and it keeps getting better. There’s no negatives to be had from making it more user friendly and approachable to those who want to ditch windows. You can keep using Arch or whatever distro youre using… You dont have to use one that makes things easier for non linux users. Im happy with the variety of projects. As someone whos learned a lot about linux after switching, this just sounds like gatekeeping to me.

Paddy66@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 00:51 next collapse

Disable Recall with these instructions:

oracle-base.com/…/windows-recall-how-to-disable-s…

Alpha71@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 00:51 next collapse

No offense, but isn’t this kinda pointless considering most of use use android phones? And don’t think Apple is any better either folks.

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 01:50 next collapse

I wouldn’t be surprised if they get a class action suit over security/data violations.

Paddy66@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 10:05 next collapse

I’m reading this on a Microsoft Surface that I flashed with Linux Mint. Quite satisfying!

Message to Microsoft:🖕

SaltSong@startrek.website on 14 Apr 02:56 collapse

How’s that working for you? I’ve got a surface, and I like it, but I know that Windows is not exactly an efficient piece of software.

Paddy66@lemmy.ml on 18 Apr 12:56 collapse

Probably could be more slick, but working fine for my everyday needs.

The touch screen didn’t work immediately, I had to search up for a command line solution to that. But most won’t face that if they flash onto other (non-Surface) hardware.

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M33@lemmy.sdf.org on 13 Apr 18:15 next collapse

Unfortunately most users don’t care about privacy, they only move then (subscriptions) prices rises

jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 18:17 next collapse

This is what forced me onto Linux for the first time, and permanently.

It’s partly great, mostly fine, and 10% of the time god damn fucking annoying. Mostly having to learn the fucking game of thrones factions of installing things.

But I don’t feel like there’s a piece of shit company in my computer trying to completely ruin it, so it’s a win. The positives outweigh the negatives, even as someone who wasn’t really into the idea of switching.

But even if it was half as good, it would still be an improvement, given Microsoft destroying itself.

Stormy@noc.social on 13 Apr 21:34 collapse

@jaggedrobotpubes @zdhzm2pgp have you considered Mint. It's almost as user friendly as Windows.

The only thing I haven't been able to work out is SMB sharing which I need for my server that currently runs Windows and for my Jellyfin server.

peterbagel@lemm.ee on 14 Apr 05:20 collapse

I don’t remember what I did to get smb sharing working in Linux mint, but I do remember asking chatgpt how to do it and it definitely works for me now. Anytime I get stuck I ask chatgpt or Gemini how to do what I’m trying to do and its made my switch to mint extremely successful.

Hirom@beehaw.org on 13 Apr 18:43 next collapse

Recall the time when Windows came on a DVD, had no Microsoft account option on install, no ads in settings nor in the startup menu, no AI slop.

It was still shit, but it feels shittier now, and harder to setup and configure in a way that’s bearable.

SpongyAneurism@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz on 14 Apr 09:25 collapse

Yeah. Microsoft managed to make Windows both better and worse over time.

It’s like a scissor, spreading ever wider. The shitty end convinced me to ditch Windows quite some time ago, so I’d say it feels like an asymmetric scissor.

InstructionsNotClear@midwest.social on 14 Apr 00:10 collapse

Well this news helped motivate me to overwrite my Windows 10 install with Linux Mint as of yesterday. So far so good.

peterbagel@lemm.ee on 14 Apr 05:16 collapse

I switched to Linux Mint a few months ago on my main PC. I do not regret it. In fact, when I need to use one of my windows PCs for something, I am instantly reminded why I switched. If you are new to Linux, there will be some bumps here and there, but it can all be overcome with some help from LLMs. I hope more people make the switch. As a windows user since 3.11, I don’t want to go back to windows now.