originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
on 26 Mar 2025 00:31
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you misspelled /c/funny
adespoton@lemmy.ca
on 26 Mar 2025 00:31
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Er, your instructions don’t kill all the telemetry that makes Win11 so privacy invasive.
Unfortunately, your comments about security are spot-on — there have been a number of improvements in the latest Win11 releases that were never added to Win10.
So while Win10 can be tweaked to be a relatively private OS, you need to update to the latest Win11 for security, or switch to a non-Microsoft OS.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 11:10
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Mind to tell me what is missing then? NextDNS or Portmaster could be used, but they add more complexity. And as said, Windows should not be considered a safe OS so hardening it is kinda useless
adespoton@lemmy.ca
on 26 Mar 2025 14:51
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That’s the point. Windows 11 cannot be made to be a private OS. So you have to adjust your privacy model instead if you want to use it.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 19:35
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Ok so there is no point?
What you said is mentioned in the post multiple times. Poorly, node.js garbage like Adobe creative garbage blocks Linux for no reason, so Windows is needed.
Every OS nowadays need a good DNS server and better DNScrypt above. An app to control the traffic, like Portmaster or Pi-Hole is also recommended, irrelevant in which OS. Most activity of everyone is online and there is important to protect the privacy, because there is the biggest privacy hole, not in the OS but PEBCAC
deadcatbounce@reddthat.com
on 26 Mar 2025 00:39
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Hahaha! Please someone. Help the poor darling.
He’s exactly a week early.
nargis@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Mar 2025 20:02
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To be fair, a bunch of old scientific closed sourced applications run only on WinXP or 7. Maybe it’s aimed at those people. But I don’t know any that require 10 or 11 that don’t have alternatives…
deadcatbounce@reddthat.com
on 26 Mar 2025 20:58
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Then they need a VM with Win7, not to install that piece of parasitic garbage as a host OS.
Remind me of the community name/métier again, please?
nargis@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Mar 2025 05:53
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I don’t disagree lol
deadcatbounce@reddthat.com
on 27 Mar 2025 07:40
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lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Mar 2025 03:02
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🚀 😄
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 11:37
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True. Windows 10 is atrocious. I have to say, a debloated Win11 feels almost too good.
So, lets focus on making Linux distros shiny and easy to use!
vfsh@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 Mar 2025 12:07
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If you don’t think the modern Linux distro are shiny and easy to use, how long has it been since you tried? There are plenty of feature complete distros that are shiny and modern and comfortable to start using as a lifelong windows user
I use PC before MS DOS times and I also used several Linux distros in the past, last Kubuntu and Mint, always in dual boot. But I never saw big advantages above a gutted Windows, but problems with a lot of apps which I needed.
Currently I’m on a heavy cleaned W11 which works fast, stable and exactly how I want 100%, why because of this I have to change it, installing another OS? There are no practical reasons for it.
That is the point, but Linux, as said above isn’t for everyone an option.
Comments in the web:
**Linux faces several key challenges that limit its broader adoption and effectiveness:
**
Software Compatibility
Major commercial applications like Adobe Creative Suite and industry-standard business software often don’t run natively on Linux[^1]. While alternatives exist, they frequently lack feature parity or full compatibility with industry file formats.
Hardware Support Complexity
Device drivers and hardware compatibility remain inconsistent. According to ZDNET, even basic tasks like printer setup can require manual configuration[^3]. Multiple competing package formats (deb, rpm, flatpak, snap) create confusion for software installation[^13].
Fragmented Development Focus
The Linux ecosystem suffers from too many competing distributions and desktop environments. As MIT researcher Jonathan Birge notes, “It’s downright laughable that an OS with single digit market share would further dilute its market share by having two competing desktops”[^21].
Learning Curve
Despite improvements in user-friendly distributions like Ubuntu, Linux still requires more technical knowledge than Windows or macOS for many tasks[^1]. The command line remains necessary for certain operations, intimidating new users.
*(With this point I am not in total agreement, Windows with its plug & play and intuitive UI only SEEMS more simple, but to remove the bad habits, bloatware, telemetrias and other crap, are required a more advanced user to get it, entering quickly into Comanche territory. I think that Windows need a more advanced user as modern Linux distros)
*
5. Support Structure
Unlike commercial operating systems, Linux lacks centralized support. Users must rely on community forums and documentation that can be overwhelming for beginners[^13]. Enterprise-level support often requires expensive consulting contracts.
Market Share Impact
With desktop market share around 3%, many software vendors can’t justify developing and maintaining Linux versions of their applications[^21]. This creates a negative feedback loop - fewer applications lead to fewer users, which leads to less software development.
Summary: the best OS is allways the one which best fits the individual needs, a perfect OS for everyone don’t exist. Every OS has its drawbacks, certainly Windows the most, but at least it’s possible to fix.
lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Mar 2025 03:01
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Best concept for a piece of software I’ve discovered after being a happy Rufus user for years. 🙂
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 11:11
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Guys can you please read the post before writing random nonsense.
This is for people NEEDING windows only software
Ventoy is useless for the things I want to achieve. Rufus allows to change a bunch of things with a single click, like offline account, cloud, telemitry, bitlocker
vfsh@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 Mar 2025 12:06
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Ventoy is so goated, I used Rufus then Balena for ages, then YUMI, and finally Ventoy. I’ve got a 128gb tiny USB attached to my phone case with every OS and utility I could need with over 80gb still free for file storage. Being able to download an iso and copy it with no software is huge, like in an emergency I could download an ISO on my phone if needed
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 11:08
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You obviously didnt read the post
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 26 Mar 2025 11:24
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Why exactly would I waste my time reading about how to upgrade to Windows 11?
Edit: It was tongue and cheek. And apparently, all the upvotes got it. Well, you’re the only one who said anything about it.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 11:35
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boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 14:01
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Format what?
chaoticnumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Mar 2025 13:04
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I’m one of those morons that really hates himself so is running systems that are highly optimized (hardened, custom kernels, no systemd) and all I can say, yes, mint cheff’s kiss
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 26 Mar 2025 13:17
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Exactly. I used to play with installing different Linux distros all the time, just to see what was available. And when you use Linux Mint, your computer just fucking works. You install the damn thing, and then you just use it, and use it, and use it until the fucking wheels fall off.
chaoticnumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Mar 2025 13:27
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Yeah, its damn solid. In the same vein I am testing the atomic release of fedora, really hard to break that thing, same goes for bazzite.
Now i’m thinking … an atomic release of mint would be … wow
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 26 Mar 2025 13:32
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I don’t know much about atomic releases. Is that in any way similar to immutable distros such as NixOS? If so, and you ran mid in that way, it ought to be damn near impossible to break.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 14:00
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This. Is. About. People. Needing. Windows. Only. Software.
I’d ask them to consider their dependence on windows only apps. If they want help with installing linux I’m happy to help, but I’m not an enabler there to help perpetuate their negative dependence.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 27 Mar 2025 11:14
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You can’t do this if your job depends on using such software. And there is a ton
Sure, many jobs require people to use unethical, but legal tools and methods. I used to work somewhere like that - and what ever OS they had installed was irrelevant because it was their equipment, their systems and I didn’t use work stuff for personal things.
But really, are you describing someone dependent on a job or someone dependent on certain windows-exclusive applications? Are they forced to use their personal equipment for work stuff?
marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Mar 2025 13:58
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Hardened Gentoo?
iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world
on 26 Mar 2025 19:44
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I know you think you’re being clever. But what you really are is arrogant. Telling someone the answer to their problem is to do as you do, instead of helping them with their issue.
I refuse to help people with installing any versions of windows out of ethical reasons, just like some tattooist refuse to tattoo people in the face or give them similarly stupid tattoos.
Yes, I’m arrogant enough to think I know better than those who haven’t considered the issue at all.
iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world
on 28 Mar 2025 16:22
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It’s fine to refuse to help, but offering your unsolicited opinion on windows instead of helping is just rude.
I think it’s a rather human thing to do, explaining oneself when refusing to lend a hand. I also think warning friends, family and those I care for about what I consider dangerous to be quite nice.
I suppose we just have to agree to disagree about how we interact and care for our fellow humans.
Madbrad200@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Mar 2025 01:19
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Lemmy users try not to be insufferable when Windows is mentioned (Challenge) (Impossible)
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Mar 2025 01:53
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The currently largest single source of ewaste in the world should be criticized at every turn.
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
on 26 Mar 2025 09:10
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To be fair, while Microsoft is absolutely vile for such restrictions, I think people overestimate how many people would switch computers just to get Windows 11. It’s probably a concern for big corporations indeed, but regular users? I don’t think so. Most people don’t see anything wrong with staying on an OS that doesn’t receive updates. A lot of them already do so - on their phones, because the support is so short! I am now in the process of switching my father to Linux, and it’s genuinely hard to explain him why he has to get used to a different OS: his reaction to “But Windows 10 would no longer receive security updates!” is “So what?”. Windows 7 probably would’ve still had a high market share if 10 had a similar system requirements change.
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Mar 2025 14:27
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Every work from home person and every corporate end point will be upgrading; simply due to legal liability for the corporations. That alone is hundreds of millions of pcs and laptops getting thrown out (because anyone in IT knows no corpo is going to pay the extra hours to recycle properly).
Average users with no liability? Plenty will stay on win 10 until their use case no longer works, i.e. when steam dropped win vista compatibility, but plenty will be scared enough to upgrade.
The weird part will be seeing who sidegrades to a tablet in the corporate environment. Many android tablets can do everything needed for office work, and don’t have the same security cross section. Most app front ends are electron anyway these days so its not like x86 is needed.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Mar 2025 05:29
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I mean, this is about privacy, is it not? It’s pretty well-known by now that Windows mines your data.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 11:13
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It is clearly mentioned that
A huge amount of people use Windows 10 or older. Being a privacy elietist does not change that
This is for people needing windows software
The result is fine but still not private, simply a more reasonable OS
lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Mar 2025 12:39
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I’ll add also WindHawk, which is imperative in W11
aamram@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Mar 2025 13:48
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Meh. Pretty useless IMHO. There are plenty of tricks to apply after this basic stuff and even then, they will try to insert new telemetry on every small update.
It’s now worth the fight. Try to switch to Linux mint and have a dual boot for relevant software like Adobe.
Yes, dual boot is an option, but for certain things user need to use Windows. But you can make Windows a valid, fast and private OS, not so easy but possible. Telemetries re a minor problem and easy to avoid not needed. My W11 instalation has less than 1 GB and there is nothing working in the background which I don’t want. Certainly I don’t use any of the default Windows apps, nor the infame powersHell. Only the Defender and security updates.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Mar 2025 14:02
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The best solution for privacy is to not use windows, seems like a good guide but even with all these modifications I would throw the computer in the dumpster and set it on fire before using it in any privacy sensitive or mission critical applications.
Linux runs fine these days, and with NTSync in the kernel and the work done on WINE and proton there really isn’t a need to use an operating system that abuses you and sells your data for profit.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 27 Mar 2025 11:15
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This is for people needing MSOffice, Adobe, AutoCAD and whatelse. This does not run in WINE, on purpose.
threaded - newest
you misspelled /c/funny
Er, your instructions don’t kill all the telemetry that makes Win11 so privacy invasive.
Unfortunately, your comments about security are spot-on — there have been a number of improvements in the latest Win11 releases that were never added to Win10.
So while Win10 can be tweaked to be a relatively private OS, you need to update to the latest Win11 for security, or switch to a non-Microsoft OS.
Mind to tell me what is missing then? NextDNS or Portmaster could be used, but they add more complexity. And as said, Windows should not be considered a safe OS so hardening it is kinda useless
That’s the point. Windows 11 cannot be made to be a private OS. So you have to adjust your privacy model instead if you want to use it.
Ok so there is no point?
What you said is mentioned in the post multiple times. Poorly, node.js garbage like Adobe creative garbage blocks Linux for no reason, so Windows is needed.
Every OS nowadays need a good DNS server and better DNScrypt above. An app to control the traffic, like Portmaster or Pi-Hole is also recommended, irrelevant in which OS. Most activity of everyone is online and there is important to protect the privacy, because there is the biggest privacy hole, not in the OS but PEBCAC
Hahaha! Please someone. Help the poor darling.
He’s exactly a week early.
To be fair, a bunch of old scientific closed sourced applications run only on WinXP or 7. Maybe it’s aimed at those people. But I don’t know any that require 10 or 11 that don’t have alternatives…
Then they need a VM with Win7, not to install that piece of parasitic garbage as a host OS.
Remind me of the community name/métier again, please?
I don’t disagree lol
Phew. You got me! Really had me going!
lol wtf
Wow windows never looked so good!
🚀 😄
True. Windows 10 is atrocious. I have to say, a debloated Win11 feels almost too good.
So, lets focus on making Linux distros shiny and easy to use!
If you don’t think the modern Linux distro are shiny and easy to use, how long has it been since you tried? There are plenty of feature complete distros that are shiny and modern and comfortable to start using as a lifelong windows user
I tried switching to linux permanently three times. Each time it got easier and more polished until eventually I didn’t go back.
I am daily driving Linux…
Mainstream distros are not great products. Downstreams like uBlue do a good job, but have their own issues.
I use PC before MS DOS times and I also used several Linux distros in the past, last Kubuntu and Mint, always in dual boot. But I never saw big advantages above a gutted Windows, but problems with a lot of apps which I needed. Currently I’m on a heavy cleaned W11 which works fast, stable and exactly how I want 100%, why because of this I have to change it, installing another OS? There are no practical reasons for it.
That is the point, but Linux, as said above isn’t for everyone an option.
Comments in the web:
**Linux faces several key challenges that limit its broader adoption and effectiveness: **
Software Compatibility Major commercial applications like Adobe Creative Suite and industry-standard business software often don’t run natively on Linux[^1]. While alternatives exist, they frequently lack feature parity or full compatibility with industry file formats.
Hardware Support Complexity Device drivers and hardware compatibility remain inconsistent. According to ZDNET, even basic tasks like printer setup can require manual configuration[^3]. Multiple competing package formats (deb, rpm, flatpak, snap) create confusion for software installation[^13].
Fragmented Development Focus The Linux ecosystem suffers from too many competing distributions and desktop environments. As MIT researcher Jonathan Birge notes, “It’s downright laughable that an OS with single digit market share would further dilute its market share by having two competing desktops”[^21].
Learning Curve Despite improvements in user-friendly distributions like Ubuntu, Linux still requires more technical knowledge than Windows or macOS for many tasks[^1]. The command line remains necessary for certain operations, intimidating new users.
*(With this point I am not in total agreement, Windows with its plug & play and intuitive UI only SEEMS more simple, but to remove the bad habits, bloatware, telemetrias and other crap, are required a more advanced user to get it, entering quickly into Comanche territory. I think that Windows need a more advanced user as modern Linux distros) * 5. Support Structure Unlike commercial operating systems, Linux lacks centralized support. Users must rely on community forums and documentation that can be overwhelming for beginners[^13]. Enterprise-level support often requires expensive consulting contracts.
[^1]: 7 Reasons Why Linux Isn’t Dominating the Desktop OS Market - MUO
[^3]: Why don’t more people use desktop Linux? I have a theory you might not like - ZDNET
[^13]: What Are the Disadvantages of the Linux OS (Operating System)?
[^21]: Why Linux is failing on the desktop | Jonathan Birge
Summary: the best OS is allways the one which best fits the individual needs, a perfect OS for everyone don’t exist. Every OS has its drawbacks, certainly Windows the most, but at least it’s possible to fix.
I’d just replace Rufus with Ventoy. 😉
Best concept for a piece of software I’ve discovered after being a happy Rufus user for years. 🙂
Guys can you please read the post before writing random nonsense.
Ventoy is so goated, I used Rufus then Balena for ages, then YUMI, and finally Ventoy. I’ve got a 128gb tiny USB attached to my phone case with every OS and utility I could need with over 80gb still free for file storage. Being able to download an iso and copy it with no software is huge, like in an emergency I could download an ISO on my phone if needed
You obviously didnt read the post
Why exactly would I waste my time reading about how to upgrade to Windows 11?
Edit: It was tongue and cheek. And apparently, all the upvotes got it. Well, you’re the only one who said anything about it.
If it makes you happy to feel superior…
You obviously didn’t format it.
Format what?
I’m one of those morons that really hates himself so is running systems that are highly optimized (hardened, custom kernels, no systemd) and all I can say, yes, mint cheff’s kiss
Exactly. I used to play with installing different Linux distros all the time, just to see what was available. And when you use Linux Mint, your computer just fucking works. You install the damn thing, and then you just use it, and use it, and use it until the fucking wheels fall off.
Yeah, its damn solid. In the same vein I am testing the atomic release of fedora, really hard to break that thing, same goes for bazzite.
Now i’m thinking … an atomic release of mint would be … wow
I don’t know much about atomic releases. Is that in any way similar to immutable distros such as NixOS? If so, and you ran mid in that way, it ought to be damn near impossible to break.
This. Is. About. People. Needing. Windows. Only. Software.
I’d ask them to consider their dependence on windows only apps. If they want help with installing linux I’m happy to help, but I’m not an enabler there to help perpetuate their negative dependence.
You can’t do this if your job depends on using such software. And there is a ton
Sure, many jobs require people to use unethical, but legal tools and methods. I used to work somewhere like that - and what ever OS they had installed was irrelevant because it was their equipment, their systems and I didn’t use work stuff for personal things.
But really, are you describing someone dependent on a job or someone dependent on certain windows-exclusive applications? Are they forced to use their personal equipment for work stuff?
Hardened Gentoo?
I know you think you’re being clever. But what you really are is arrogant. Telling someone the answer to their problem is to do as you do, instead of helping them with their issue.
I refuse to help people with installing any versions of windows out of ethical reasons, just like some tattooist refuse to tattoo people in the face or give them similarly stupid tattoos.
Yes, I’m arrogant enough to think I know better than those who haven’t considered the issue at all.
It’s fine to refuse to help, but offering your unsolicited opinion on windows instead of helping is just rude.
I think it’s a rather human thing to do, explaining oneself when refusing to lend a hand. I also think warning friends, family and those I care for about what I consider dangerous to be quite nice.
I suppose we just have to agree to disagree about how we interact and care for our fellow humans.
Lemmy users try not to be insufferable when Windows is mentioned (Challenge) (Impossible)
The currently largest single source of ewaste in the world should be criticized at every turn.
To be fair, while Microsoft is absolutely vile for such restrictions, I think people overestimate how many people would switch computers just to get Windows 11. It’s probably a concern for big corporations indeed, but regular users? I don’t think so. Most people don’t see anything wrong with staying on an OS that doesn’t receive updates. A lot of them already do so - on their phones, because the support is so short! I am now in the process of switching my father to Linux, and it’s genuinely hard to explain him why he has to get used to a different OS: his reaction to “But Windows 10 would no longer receive security updates!” is “So what?”. Windows 7 probably would’ve still had a high market share if 10 had a similar system requirements change.
Every work from home person and every corporate end point will be upgrading; simply due to legal liability for the corporations. That alone is hundreds of millions of pcs and laptops getting thrown out (because anyone in IT knows no corpo is going to pay the extra hours to recycle properly).
Average users with no liability? Plenty will stay on win 10 until their use case no longer works, i.e. when steam dropped win vista compatibility, but plenty will be scared enough to upgrade.
The weird part will be seeing who sidegrades to a tablet in the corporate environment. Many android tablets can do everything needed for office work, and don’t have the same security cross section. Most app front ends are electron anyway these days so its not like x86 is needed.
I mean, this is about privacy, is it not? It’s pretty well-known by now that Windows mines your data.
It is clearly mentioned that
It’s either private or it’s Windows.
How do you want to read this Brick above without bleeding eyes?
Andi Summary:
How to Upgrade to Windows 11 While Maintaining Privacy and Control
Before You Start
Most Efficient Method
Privacy-Focused Settings
Maintain Control
Recovery Options
Sources:
_________________________________________________________________________________________________–
I’ll add also WindHawk, which is imperative in W11
Meh. Pretty useless IMHO. There are plenty of tricks to apply after this basic stuff and even then, they will try to insert new telemetry on every small update. It’s now worth the fight. Try to switch to Linux mint and have a dual boot for relevant software like Adobe.
Yes, dual boot is an option, but for certain things user need to use Windows. But you can make Windows a valid, fast and private OS, not so easy but possible. Telemetries re a minor problem and easy to avoid not needed. My W11 instalation has less than 1 GB and there is nothing working in the background which I don’t want. Certainly I don’t use any of the default Windows apps, nor the infame powersHell. Only the Defender and security updates.
Uhm this is a link. Click on it.
The best solution for privacy is to not use windows, seems like a good guide but even with all these modifications I would throw the computer in the dumpster and set it on fire before using it in any privacy sensitive or mission critical applications.
Linux runs fine these days, and with NTSync in the kernel and the work done on WINE and proton there really isn’t a need to use an operating system that abuses you and sells your data for profit.
This is for people needing MSOffice, Adobe, AutoCAD and whatelse. This does not run in WINE, on purpose.
Just stop. Your comment does not help anyone.
Oh, works on my machine. Oh well.