there’s already real time AI aging filters, once they realise this doesn’t work it’s going to be IDs next, i’m so sick of this bullshit
if a kid wants to find porn, they’re going to find porn, no amount of laws is going to stop them, but the more laws there are the more safe websites and online spaces to explore the new feelings will be inaccessible to them, leaving only the worst possible resources to be exposed to as they discover their sexuality. people writing those laws behave as if they’ve entirely forgotten how it was to be a teen, nor have met a teen in decades
phdepressed@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Apr 12:55
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I mean at least in the US the median congressional age is 64.7 so yeah gramps doesn’t remember being that age much less having internet access. Doesn’t consider that you can’t find porn mags in the woods anymore.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 17 Apr 20:55
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people downvoting you need some more context i believe
conservative leadership’s bigotry isn’t just all yelling about gay frogs, there’s subtlety to some of their tactics. Two things are happening at once here - banning of sexual things, harsher punishments for sexual offenders, broadening the definition of what sexual offences even are, and sexualisation of LGBTQ folks, fearmongering, “think of the children”, implications that transgender people are all perverts (why else would bathrooms or drag queens story times be such big issues?). queer people are being pushed back into the margins, just their mere existence is being pushed to be viewed as “erotic” and “inappropriate for children”
though obviously LGBTQ people are not porn, i hope that goes without saying, the same people who want to ban porn are the ones working very hard to paint queer people as somehow innately “adult only”
i don’t have autocorrect on, i also don’t subscribe to the idea that there is a “correct” way to speak or write, languages are tools used for communication, if you can understand me without effort then i used the tool successfully
i do capitalise things when it matters, for various reasons; to make a sentence easier to read, to show respect, to avoid a word being confused for a typo. but overall i just like the look of small letters better
Very peculiar perspective denying the already established language standards of punctuation and capitalization… Autocorrect exists to show you the “corect” way.
For anyone raised in a standard education system, there is effort to read comments like that. We’ve learned to pause, exclaim, incur emotion, and apply tension, all through punctuation and capitalization. Your comments are read as breathless long-winded statements for those of us who still subscribe to language standards…
💀 i care to be understood, and since we’re talking that’s clearly not an issue. i do not care if you like how i type. you can dislike things for no reason it’s fine, it’s not criminal to simply not like something, like how i dislike how you’re being rude to me right now
why are you insulting me over your dislike of how i choose to write words and form sentences? how is my logic at fault when i don’t capitalise “i” or use a comma instead of a full stop? i don’t lack the ability to write “properly”, this is a style i chose because i like it, because it’s the closest to how my thoughts flow and to me it’s aesthetically pleasing
it’s literally a skill issue if lack of capitalisation and imperfect punctuation is something that noticeably slows down the speed at which you process information
buddy, if you wanted a proper discussion maybe you shouldn’t have insulted me in every reply. at this point i’m replying for my personal amusement. you’re an ass who thinks themself better than others, a pedantic dickhead who thinks that if something doesn’t make sense to you then clearly it means the other person’s logic is flawed and they are stupid, and why ask for clarification if you can just call them an idiot?
why am i even wasting my time on talking to a common asshole, anyway bye
You are clearly hurt, so I will let you rest. Ponder upon how to respond more contently and maturely in the future would be my advice. Would do you much better as you can read comments thoroughly and not make random implications. Best of luck to you in your journey, buddy.
nah i’m good, i’m not taking advice from people who first insult me, and then pretend to be above it all. i respect those who respect me, and you’re not counted among those. your false niceties and arrogance are vile, and disgust me more than the outward hate of trolls, who as annoying as they are, at least wear their malice with pride
And why exactly would I care if I disgusted some permanently-online kid that struggles to type correctly? Your sense of importance is inflated, bud.
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world
on 17 Apr 12:41
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Same, I still use it at around 15% of my own peak usage, if this gets beyond the testing phase, i’m out as well. Never trusted discords ownership and bussinessmodel, and observing their behaviour the last 4-5 years really cemented that as accurate. Bye, I won’t miss y’all.
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip
on 17 Apr 14:19
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For a brief moment, I had a a FB/Instagram account for testing purposes. After about a week, Meta started asking to see my face on camera. Needless to say, that experiment hit a brick wall.
I was just following and liking stuff here and there. Didn’t even post anything, but apparently that was suspicious enough for Meta.
ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org
on 17 Apr 14:47
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in my experience liking stupid pages, and political news pages, and sometimes giving various reactions to posts helps. did that for a few weeks last year, but decided that this experimentation does not worth my time
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip
on 17 Apr 15:51
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They thought of that. It has to be a video and you have to move your head around as if you’re setting up face ID. Not creepy at all. Then again, this is Meta we’re talking about, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz
on 17 Apr 14:29
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Nothing. Like, absolutely nothing. It didn’t keep up with the times. I spent am untold amount of time on IRC, but the fact that you have to be online to have a chance to read messages just doesn’t jive with most people’s schedules anymore.
I wish. I think it’s the beginning of the end to anonymous online presenses. It’s becoming more and more common for things like this to be required by corporate social media.
markovs_gun@lemmy.world
on 17 Apr 12:13
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On one hand this is obviously absurd but on the other hand I don’t actually know how one could solve the sheer scale of pedophilia happening on their platform without some dystopian shit. It seems like there is a maximum size for something like discord because at the scale it is now I’m not sure how you could possibly moderate it. I’ll probably stop using it if they implement this but I can definitely understand why they feel like it’s a good idea.
MithranArkanere@lemmy.world
on 17 Apr 12:28
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Great. Now I have to wear aging makeup because of my baby face.
Element does it natively? As in, it’s a feature of Element and not some integration with a different tool?
I didn’t even expect calls to be a part of the matrix protocol yet.
ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org
on 17 Apr 14:45
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in the past they were using a jitsy integration, they are in the process of migrating to their in-house element call
I just checked and indeed it does! Didn’t know that before, although I do think Revolt is more user friendly to non-tech people so will probably be a better choice for people to migrate to.
Teamspeak 6 released a month or so ago and has Peer2Peer screenshare, it works great!
Flagstaff@programming.dev
on 19 Apr 06:27
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I read that Revolt doesn’t have screen-sharing, which is a deal-breaker for my group. I wonder how well Matrix’s is…
Element really needs to get push to talk. It’s an incredibly basic feature to be missing, and for me personally and I’m sure others the lack of it is a deal breaker.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de
on 17 Apr 13:15
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And just like that I uninstalled the app, never to login again. It wasn’t that important for me anyway.
A lot of games and mods use Discord almost exclusively for their discussions, but I always found Discord groups hard to follow. So much random talk among a few bits of good information.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Apr 19:01
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Steam community boards are underrated.
ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org
on 17 Apr 14:48
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consider requesting a GDPR data request, and when that’s completed a GDPR data deletion. the former mostly to have a backup for you, you can skip it if you don’t find it important
I’ve never quit using teamspeak but I’d never see it as an alternative for the chatting functions of discord (neither private or server wide). Calling and screensharing on it is superior for sure, chatting is garbage.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Apr 17:28
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Embedded matrix client and Teamspeak client in a webpage? Selfhost it.
I’m sure it can’t be that hard. I’m planning on rolling out something similar, if it works I’ll like the source code here.
This is something that I feel like should be at the top of every single tech related community. Not everyone is a techie and they shouldn’t have to be to exiat in the modern world.
We really need more people working on tech that both has great privacy but also simplicity. Currently you always have to pick between convenience or privacy. Everybody that keeps pushing self hosting doesn’t get that not everybody has the skills or time to set that up.
I work in IT, I do QA, I write test automation code, I setup CI/CD pipelines but the moment you put me on networking stuff I’m done, gg well played. It’s a whole new skillset so if I as someone who grew up and work in a technical job has a hard time with it don’t even think its going mainstream.
Xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works
on 23 Apr 19:11
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This 1000%
Sunsofold@lemmings.world
on 17 Apr 17:36
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Already started. Revolt seems like it could be a near 1 to 1 replacement soon.
Controversially, I cheer on the quickening of the inshitification of Discord. The sooner more folks are convinced to move away from that place, the better. I hope for a return to indexable and searchable old school forums (or their modern equivalents—Discourse is so nice).
absquatulate@lemmy.world
on 17 Apr 18:47
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Problem is folks won’t move, they’re too entrenched. Look at twitter, it’s still going ok despite having been a cesspit for years now. Or reddit, where some moved, but they moved to yet another enshittified platform: Discord. The amount of crap people ( especially the ones on discord ) will put up with is immense before they even consider switching.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Apr 18:59
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I think when enough live streaming influencers switch to Revolt or whatever else, many people will follow.
Anything is possible. But I’m also a grump who doesn’t like the fast pace of chat anyway, so I’m personally more interested in the forums approach.
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world
on 17 Apr 17:15
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I just made a post on discord about this, and I link to alternatives such as a matrix group, signal chat, my YouTube channel, etc.
if I am locked out, then I hope my followers can follow me to the new place, whatever that is.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Apr 17:24
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I have a privacy news channel on my discord server because I’m desperately trying to get my folks to switch to Matrix, it hasn’t happened yet but maybe it will now.
The app will ask users to scan their face through a computer or smartphone webcam; alternatively, they can scan a driver’s license or other form of ID.
comes in response to laws passed in those countries that place guardrails on youth access to online platforms.
Personally this sounds pretty reasonable. I don’t want young children on there. Any expectation of anonymity on Discord, a social network, is not warranted. Ask any number of users who’ve been prosecuted based on evidence turned over by Discord. It’s also US-based
slough_monster@lemm.ee
on 18 Apr 00:43
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I mean. . . It should be up to the parents to protect and educate their children. It is very easy to set up protections on a computer to either not let them use discord or to not allow them to install it.
That’s a false dichotomy. Parents can and should protect children. Social media sites can and should protect children. It’s in the social interest. Parents don’t have control over every device a child has access to. Firewalls at schools and libraries are often lackluster
Personally I won’t use a site that wants to scan my face. My computer doesn’t even have a camera.
I am also not going to upload a scan of my ID. We are on Lemmy for goodness sake. Clearly I care at least a little bit about my privacy.
It seems to me that there is no good way to ensure that children are kept away from content they shouldn’t have access to without serious privacy concerns.
Toribor@corndog.social
on 18 Apr 00:46
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I feel like we need a less invasive form of age verification or we need actual data privacy laws in the US with some teeth. As it is right now it’s basically a guarantee that your ID and facial data will be in a breach eventually. Seems like every site will require this once it starts.
I feel like we need a less invasive form of age verification
Yep. Probably a billion dollar idea if you can execute it properly. These laws are spurring competition
I think most peoples’ facial data is already for sale and breachable/leakable
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 18 Apr 01:15
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the creators of the laws requiring said guardrails should be held personally accountable for every piece of information that gets leaked as a result of their bs “think of the children” arguments.
ShrimpCurler@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Apr 01:40
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Why shouldn’t young children be able to use Discord? I have kids and want them to be able to use it to chat while they play games with friends and with me.
I’ll try to keep them to only chatting with people they know until I think they’re mature enough.
I have kids too. I’m not singling out Discord here, just pointing out they’re trying to follow the law.
Young kids and social media are inherently a bad mix. Primarily because it promotes antisocial behaviors and they cannot effectively comprehend and consent to the privacy polices and TOS. Hence why adults need to be involved in account creation.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Apr 01:54
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I agree. Personally this sounds pretty reasonable. I don’t want young children on here. Any expectation of anonymity on Lemmy, a social network, is not warranted.
Interesting. I think most users would assume they’re talking to other adults and might change their language or behavior if they thought they were conversing with children
Age is anything but arbitrary from a law perspective. With these laws there is no expectation of privacy in regards to age. I’d argue there never was, it was just poorly enforced and got normalized
pineapplelover@lemm.ee
on 17 Apr 23:56
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The downfall of discord
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Apr 01:39
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Weird, I recall Lemmy being so happy when Australia pass the “social media ban” for kids thing. Guess Lemmings forgot stuff like this also impact adults.
pomfegranate@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Apr 01:53
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The hacker known as lemmy
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Apr 01:56
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L’Mao, the Chinese Hacker
ShrimpCurler@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Apr 03:24
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I don’t remember it like that at all. I saw lots of complaints about the privacy impacts and how ineffective it would be.
Thcdenton@lemmy.world
on 18 Apr 06:46
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Byeeeeee
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world
on 19 Apr 05:24
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facebook does the same thing, except also requires a photo ID too. it seems alot right wingers have migrated to these 2 platforms so they can control narratives better, better off staying away from these platforms.
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world
on 19 Apr 04:42
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How am I going to rip on them until they have aneurysms if I’m not on there too?
midtsveen@hexbear.net
on 18 Apr 15:02
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F
doodledup@lemmy.world
on 19 Apr 04:50
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Please give me a federated, self-hosted Discord alternative! I’m tired of these bullshit platforms.
Not federated, but Revolt can be self-hosted and is very similar to Discord in the look and feel from what I have seen (I have it installed, but haven’t tried getting friends to install it and am not hosting). So it could be worth looking into for folks that are used to Discord.
It’s not federated, the developer is specifically against federation. He didn’t even support self-hosting properly and officially, until the community made pullrequests in this regard themselves. Revolt is mainly made to be hosted by the developer himself. Probably just another Discord. Open-sourcing the code doesn’t do anything.
Good to know information, I haven’t looked into it beyond installing it to see how similar it was. Still could be a starting point for some folks that have the option to self-host and more specifically have large friend groups that have issues with only liking the UI of Discord. A very specific scenario for sure, but still nice to have options if one like that were to happen.
soooo, honest opinions of discord users here: hows matrix nowadays? what are the other options?
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
on 19 Apr 09:08
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Element x is pretty solid but not perfect, matrix-rust-sdk needs to have desktop clients, servers need to support all the new stuff, I give element 5 years before it’s a top tier messenger
It really depends on how you use Discord. Matrix was never trying to be a Discord alternative so for some usecases it’s fine, but for a place to hang out with your friends and play video games it’s not.
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insane
The moment this becomes an obligation for each person, no matter what, I’ll just quit Discord. I’m tired of stuff like this.
If people want to do bad stuff, they will find a way no matter what anyway.
there’s already real time AI aging filters, once they realise this doesn’t work it’s going to be IDs next, i’m so sick of this bullshit
if a kid wants to find porn, they’re going to find porn, no amount of laws is going to stop them, but the more laws there are the more safe websites and online spaces to explore the new feelings will be inaccessible to them, leaving only the worst possible resources to be exposed to as they discover their sexuality. people writing those laws behave as if they’ve entirely forgotten how it was to be a teen, nor have met a teen in decades
I mean at least in the US the median congressional age is 64.7 so yeah gramps doesn’t remember being that age much less having internet access. Doesn’t consider that you can’t find porn mags in the woods anymore.
And “porn” means anything pro LGBT
people downvoting you need some more context i believe
conservative leadership’s bigotry isn’t just all yelling about gay frogs, there’s subtlety to some of their tactics. Two things are happening at once here - banning of sexual things, harsher punishments for sexual offenders, broadening the definition of what sexual offences even are, and sexualisation of LGBTQ folks, fearmongering, “think of the children”, implications that transgender people are all perverts (why else would bathrooms or drag queens story times be such big issues?). queer people are being pushed back into the margins, just their mere existence is being pushed to be viewed as “erotic” and “inappropriate for children”
though obviously LGBTQ people are not porn, i hope that goes without saying, the same people who want to ban porn are the ones working very hard to paint queer people as somehow innately “adult only”
Out of curiosity, why go out of your way to not capitalize correctly? Like ‘I’ has to be easiest in any autocorrect.
i don’t have autocorrect on, i also don’t subscribe to the idea that there is a “correct” way to speak or write, languages are tools used for communication, if you can understand me without effort then i used the tool successfully
i do capitalise things when it matters, for various reasons; to make a sentence easier to read, to show respect, to avoid a word being confused for a typo. but overall i just like the look of small letters better
Very peculiar perspective denying the already established language standards of punctuation and capitalization… Autocorrect exists to show you the “corect” way.
For anyone raised in a standard education system, there is effort to read comments like that. We’ve learned to pause, exclaim, incur emotion, and apply tension, all through punctuation and capitalization. Your comments are read as breathless long-winded statements for those of us who still subscribe to language standards…
Thanks for the response, though.
that’s how my thoughts sound, that’s how i like my writing to look, i don’t care if not everyone likes that, you’re allowed to not like things
Yep never said otherwise… lol and you did say you cared in your first reply but I can see you don’t follow logic too well so I’ll leave it at that.
💀 i care to be understood, and since we’re talking that’s clearly not an issue. i do not care if you like how i type. you can dislike things for no reason it’s fine, it’s not criminal to simply not like something, like how i dislike how you’re being rude to me right now
why are you insulting me over your dislike of how i choose to write words and form sentences? how is my logic at fault when i don’t capitalise “i” or use a comma instead of a full stop? i don’t lack the ability to write “properly”, this is a style i chose because i like it, because it’s the closest to how my thoughts flow and to me it’s aesthetically pleasing
It’s simple. You said as long as there isn’t effort for the reader, you dont mind. So you care.
Then you said you don’t care about the reader.
Make up your mind? That’s where your logic fails. But it’s typical in online forums like this. People spend all day here.
Again, I never said you couldn’t type that way. I’m not sure why you keep responding as if I did.
it’s literally a skill issue if lack of capitalisation and imperfect punctuation is something that noticeably slows down the speed at which you process information
1f 1 7yp3d |1k3 7h15 1’d und3r574nd y0u s331ng 4 f|4w 1n my |0g1c
but i don’t, so your insults are quite frankly only indicative of your personality i’m afraid. jeez, get your head out of your ass
The fact you can’t address the point says everything.
buddy, if you wanted a proper discussion maybe you shouldn’t have insulted me in every reply. at this point i’m replying for my personal amusement. you’re an ass who thinks themself better than others, a pedantic dickhead who thinks that if something doesn’t make sense to you then clearly it means the other person’s logic is flawed and they are stupid, and why ask for clarification if you can just call them an idiot?
why am i even wasting my time on talking to a common asshole, anyway bye
You are clearly hurt, so I will let you rest. Ponder upon how to respond more contently and maturely in the future would be my advice. Would do you much better as you can read comments thoroughly and not make random implications. Best of luck to you in your journey, buddy.
nah i’m good, i’m not taking advice from people who first insult me, and then pretend to be above it all. i respect those who respect me, and you’re not counted among those. your false niceties and arrogance are vile, and disgust me more than the outward hate of trolls, who as annoying as they are, at least wear their malice with pride
Damn look at you still going! Good boy. Let it all out.
Oh, that’s all you had? Alright. Well then, to wrap it up - you disgust me.
even wrote it “correctly” for you, so you have no trouble reading
And why exactly would I care if I disgusted some permanently-online kid that struggles to type correctly? Your sense of importance is inflated, bud.
Same, I still use it at around 15% of my own peak usage, if this gets beyond the testing phase, i’m out as well. Never trusted discords ownership and bussinessmodel, and observing their behaviour the last 4-5 years really cemented that as accurate. Bye, I won’t miss y’all.
For a brief moment, I had a a FB/Instagram account for testing purposes. After about a week, Meta started asking to see my face on camera. Needless to say, that experiment hit a brick wall.
I was just following and liking stuff here and there. Didn’t even post anything, but apparently that was suspicious enough for Meta.
in my experience liking stupid pages, and political news pages, and sometimes giving various reactions to posts helps. did that for a few weeks last year, but decided that this experimentation does not worth my time
A Trump photo in front of the cam.
They thought of that. It has to be a video and you have to move your head around as if you’re setting up face ID. Not creepy at all. Then again, this is Meta we’re talking about, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise.
i’m sure ai can help with that
A 3d-printed Trump bust
Okay but now you have to explain the disembodied trump head you hide under your bed.
Only to my lawyer after the police show up with a warrant.
“don’t worry it’s for a shrine”
“It’s not what it looks like! I can assure you, our relationship is entirely sexual.”
I’ve always hated Discord since the very beginning. At least now I have yet another really good reason.
Never used it, never will. Ventrilo for lyfe.
Ventrilo looks someone’s bad first open source project, but it’s proprietary. The audio quality must be orgasmic for people to use it.
it’s what people used before things like discord, that and teamspeak
It was XFire -> TS -> Vent -> Skype -> Discord for me.
RIP XFire
So like XMPP, SIP, Mumble, or Matrix without the chat part.
What happened to IRC? It worked great.
Nothing. Like, absolutely nothing. It didn’t keep up with the times. I spent am untold amount of time on IRC, but the fact that you have to be online to have a chance to read messages just doesn’t jive with most people’s schedules anymore.
Spam and other attacks did happen. And it doesn’t really handle being mobile or disconnected without some sort of proxy. Among other things.
It’s still there, but withered and infested. Kind of like Usenet and real email.
Audio quality
WIth current hardware and cheap hosting, setting Opus Voice to max quality is best.
For me it’s Mumble. Open sourced and completely free with encryption, and temporary chat logs.
Beginning of the end for discord probably.
I wish. I think it’s the beginning of the end to anonymous online presenses. It’s becoming more and more common for things like this to be required by corporate social media.
On one hand this is obviously absurd but on the other hand I don’t actually know how one could solve the sheer scale of pedophilia happening on their platform without some dystopian shit. It seems like there is a maximum size for something like discord because at the scale it is now I’m not sure how you could possibly moderate it. I’ll probably stop using it if they implement this but I can definitely understand why they feel like it’s a good idea.
Great. Now I have to wear aging makeup because of my baby face.
Reminder that we have a european alternative called Revolt we can always switch to!
Another alternative is Element for chatting and Teamspeak for Calls/Screenshare!
Element/Matrix does calls and screen share also by the way!
(Teamspeak can do screen share? That’s news to me!)
Element does it natively? As in, it’s a feature of Element and not some integration with a different tool? I didn’t even expect calls to be a part of the matrix protocol yet.
in the past they were using a jitsy integration, they are in the process of migrating to their in-house element call
I haven’t tried it yet but opening Element in browser it does have a call option
I just checked and indeed it does! Didn’t know that before, although I do think Revolt is more user friendly to non-tech people so will probably be a better choice for people to migrate to.
Teamspeak 6 released a month or so ago and has Peer2Peer screenshare, it works great!
I read that Revolt doesn’t have screen-sharing, which is a deal-breaker for my group. I wonder how well Matrix’s is…
Element really needs to get push to talk. It’s an incredibly basic feature to be missing, and for me personally and I’m sure others the lack of it is a deal breaker.
And just like that I uninstalled the app, never to login again. It wasn’t that important for me anyway.
A lot of games and mods use Discord almost exclusively for their discussions, but I always found Discord groups hard to follow. So much random talk among a few bits of good information.
Steam community boards are underrated.
consider requesting a GDPR data request, and when that’s completed a GDPR data deletion. the former mostly to have a backup for you, you can skip it if you don’t find it important
oh sweet discord phrenology
Its going to be so fucking racist isn’t it.
Future headline: “Discord users begin testing Discord alternatives”
Too bad team speak hasn’t released their updated server files.
I’ve never quit using teamspeak but I’d never see it as an alternative for the chatting functions of discord (neither private or server wide). Calling and screensharing on it is superior for sure, chatting is garbage.
Embedded matrix client and Teamspeak client in a webpage? Selfhost it.
I’m sure it can’t be that hard. I’m planning on rolling out something similar, if it works I’ll like the source code here.
I’m not a technical person, can’t be bothered for that. In the end for tools like this its important non-tech people can also use it
This is something that I feel like should be at the top of every single tech related community. Not everyone is a techie and they shouldn’t have to be to exiat in the modern world.
We really need more people working on tech that both has great privacy but also simplicity. Currently you always have to pick between convenience or privacy. Everybody that keeps pushing self hosting doesn’t get that not everybody has the skills or time to set that up.
I work in IT, I do QA, I write test automation code, I setup CI/CD pipelines but the moment you put me on networking stuff I’m done, gg well played. It’s a whole new skillset so if I as someone who grew up and work in a technical job has a hard time with it don’t even think its going mainstream.
This 1000%
Already started. Revolt seems like it could be a near 1 to 1 replacement soon.
Maybe we can all go back to AIM
It’s proprietary and centralized. No practical difference. IRC and XMPP are the way.
Controversially, I cheer on the quickening of the inshitification of Discord. The sooner more folks are convinced to move away from that place, the better. I hope for a return to indexable and searchable old school forums (or their modern equivalents—Discourse is so nice).
Problem is folks won’t move, they’re too entrenched. Look at twitter, it’s still going ok despite having been a cesspit for years now. Or reddit, where some moved, but they moved to yet another enshittified platform: Discord. The amount of crap people ( especially the ones on discord ) will put up with is immense before they even consider switching.
I think when enough live streaming influencers switch to Revolt or whatever else, many people will follow.
Sad but true. A guy can dream.
Discord was shit from the beginning. Enshitification is useless here.
Sadly parts of my social group are currently migrating to discord.
You’re probably right, sadly.
I am not all computer, but isn’t it possible to make something like discord that is searchable like forums?
Anything is possible. But I’m also a grump who doesn’t like the fast pace of chat anyway, so I’m personally more interested in the forums approach.
I just made a post on discord about this, and I link to alternatives such as a matrix group, signal chat, my YouTube channel, etc. if I am locked out, then I hope my followers can follow me to the new place, whatever that is.
I have a privacy news channel on my discord server because I’m desperately trying to get my folks to switch to Matrix, it hasn’t happened yet but maybe it will now.
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Need alternatives to have built-in, easy to use screenshare with audio. And of course great noise filtering on voice chats.
Personally this sounds pretty reasonable. I don’t want young children on there. Any expectation of anonymity on Discord, a social network, is not warranted. Ask any number of users who’ve been prosecuted based on evidence turned over by Discord. It’s also US-based
I mean. . . It should be up to the parents to protect and educate their children. It is very easy to set up protections on a computer to either not let them use discord or to not allow them to install it.
That’s a false dichotomy. Parents can and should protect children. Social media sites can and should protect children. It’s in the social interest. Parents don’t have control over every device a child has access to. Firewalls at schools and libraries are often lackluster
Personally I won’t use a site that wants to scan my face. My computer doesn’t even have a camera.
I am also not going to upload a scan of my ID. We are on Lemmy for goodness sake. Clearly I care at least a little bit about my privacy.
It seems to me that there is no good way to ensure that children are kept away from content they shouldn’t have access to without serious privacy concerns.
I feel like we need a less invasive form of age verification or we need actual data privacy laws in the US with some teeth. As it is right now it’s basically a guarantee that your ID and facial data will be in a breach eventually. Seems like every site will require this once it starts.
Yep. Probably a billion dollar idea if you can execute it properly. These laws are spurring competition
I think most peoples’ facial data is already for sale and breachable/leakable
the creators of the laws requiring said guardrails should be held personally accountable for every piece of information that gets leaked as a result of their bs “think of the children” arguments.
Why shouldn’t young children be able to use Discord? I have kids and want them to be able to use it to chat while they play games with friends and with me.
I’ll try to keep them to only chatting with people they know until I think they’re mature enough.
I have kids too. I’m not singling out Discord here, just pointing out they’re trying to follow the law.
Young kids and social media are inherently a bad mix. Primarily because it promotes antisocial behaviors and they cannot effectively comprehend and consent to the privacy polices and TOS. Hence why adults need to be involved in account creation.
I agree. Personally this sounds pretty reasonable. I don’t want young children on here. Any expectation of anonymity on Lemmy, a social network, is not warranted.
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Correct, I don’t really want 12-year-olds commenting here either. Do you? Genuine question
Though Lemmy instances are largely public. You don’t need an account to view their contents. So that’s pretty different from Discord
For the record, I do think the laws will apply to Lemmy instances
I don’t care about the user’s age, I care about their behavior.
There are adults here that act immature and bicker like a child, I don’t want those either.
Its easier to enforce a code of conduct and ban users with bad behavior, rather than something arbitrary, like age.
How are you even suppose to verify someone’s age without violating privacy?
Interesting. I think most users would assume they’re talking to other adults and might change their language or behavior if they thought they were conversing with children
Age is anything but arbitrary from a law perspective. With these laws there is no expectation of privacy in regards to age. I’d argue there never was, it was just poorly enforced and got normalized
Cool. I’m out then.
The downfall of discord
Weird, I recall Lemmy being so happy when Australia pass the “social media ban” for kids thing. Guess Lemmings forgot stuff like this also impact adults.
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I don’t remember it like that at all. I saw lots of complaints about the privacy impacts and how ineffective it would be.
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facebook does the same thing, except also requires a photo ID too. it seems alot right wingers have migrated to these 2 platforms so they can control narratives better, better off staying away from these platforms.
How am I going to rip on them until they have aneurysms if I’m not on there too?
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Please give me a federated, self-hosted Discord alternative! I’m tired of these bullshit platforms.
Not federated, but Revolt can be self-hosted and is very similar to Discord in the look and feel from what I have seen (I have it installed, but haven’t tried getting friends to install it and am not hosting). So it could be worth looking into for folks that are used to Discord.
It’s not federated, the developer is specifically against federation. He didn’t even support self-hosting properly and officially, until the community made pullrequests in this regard themselves. Revolt is mainly made to be hosted by the developer himself. Probably just another Discord. Open-sourcing the code doesn’t do anything.
Good to know information, I haven’t looked into it beyond installing it to see how similar it was. Still could be a starting point for some folks that have the option to self-host and more specifically have large friend groups that have issues with only liking the UI of Discord. A very specific scenario for sure, but still nice to have options if one like that were to happen.
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soooo, honest opinions of discord users here: hows matrix nowadays? what are the other options?
Element x is pretty solid but not perfect, matrix-rust-sdk needs to have desktop clients, servers need to support all the new stuff, I give element 5 years before it’s a top tier messenger
It really depends on how you use Discord. Matrix was never trying to be a Discord alternative so for some usecases it’s fine, but for a place to hang out with your friends and play video games it’s not.
Element is a good alternative, OpenSource and federated
I cant even get in my discord because I never get the verification email. Each time I have to contact customer support. F that platform.
I quit discord a year ago for Matrix or XMPP. never looked back.