Railing5132@lemmy.world
on 23 Jul 01:37
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Your flock post reminder that they aren’t just license plate readers. They capture Bluetooth and wifi MACs, NFC IDs, and cellphone IMEIs, scan for wifi ssids (exactly like a WiFi Pineapple, to further fingerprint a device) from every device within range. They also do facial recognition of everyone within view of the lens. All that information is sent to flock for sale to any government agency,
No, and as said that only blocks the camera and nothing else.
Every single thread I’ve seen feels like there are people who are actively trying to suggest the worst ways to do something to them. It almost feels like paid actors who are there to lower the level of handicap made to the cameras, it’s that prevalent.
Again and again it’s someone who says the right thing, actually destroying them or using something to disable more than just one thing and there’s always replies like yours.
I just don’t understand how people witch such immense ignorance and idiocy show up and reply to every fucking thread.
Sure, but it makes it a whole lot easier for the next activist to disable that
We work in teams. Each accoring to their own ability and risk appetite.
First, someone maps the location of the cameras on OSM. That’s totally legal and extremely important for the whole effort.
Next, someone spray paints them. Then someone cuts them down and smashes them. Finally, scrappers come to collect the waste.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 Jul 13:33
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Some people burn the cameras out with lasers instead of spray paint!
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 24 Jul 18:14
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lasers don’t damage the entire sensor, it puts dots in the sensor but rarely kills it entirely.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 25 Jul 15:20
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I’m seeing a whole lot of people say otherwise with laser strength talk and have handled cameras before so imma trust them over some random claiming otherwise.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 Jul 01:33
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“I’m gonna trust this random that confirms my worldview over another random without asking anyone’s qualifications” 🤡
You’d have to sit there for literally over a minute at close range just shining the laser directly into the sensor otherwise you’ll just leave spots on it.
TLDW: You’re unlikely to kill a camera with a laser unless you have a 3W laser, a tripod, and several minutes. It’s not the “flash a laser into the lens to kill it” like people keep making it out to be.
P.s. I’ve been a live music photographer off and on for fifteen years, I’ve shot around lasers plenty of times. Don’t be surprised when Flock adds a laser filter to their lenses.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 28 Jul 13:46
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I’m gonna trust this random that confirms my worldview over another random without asking anyone’s qualifications”
Fuck of a lot smarter than trusting a random with 0 qualifications mentioned.
Not watching shit since you think I’m not discussing using a more than 3w laser. Probably think I meant a red normal one, huh?
Having burned out my own camera equipment testing this shit myself I know what I’m talking about buddy.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 17:42
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Yeah, you don’t know shit. I provided several sources of security companies and researchers. Blocked. Go back to reddit.
Also, you’re a fucking idiot. 3W is extremely powerful. That’s 600x the legal limit, the fact that you’re arguing a 3W laser would be a red laser pointer tells me how fucking daft you are.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works
on 23 Jul 05:54
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Are some allegedly ALPR+car identification (including dents and “convoys”, associated vehicles) only while others (like some capturing walking paths) do the faces + audio & all?
How does it fetch NFC data when it’s only readable within a few cm?
Railing5132@lemmy.world
on 23 Jul 13:23
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I questioned that too. Didn’t get a satisfactory response. It was a in a presentation for mainly law enforcement to a generally non-technical audience. But I include it in my ‘notification’ anyway because those bastards are sneaky. The main push of the presentation is that if it emits a signal, it’s leaving digital exhaust that can be tracked and correlated.
You “can” read nfc from further away, the couple of cm limit is it’s designed operation.
You need an emitter with enough field strength to power the remote chip that is also sensitive enough to read the modulation on the signal. You can buy commercial devices that go about a meter. You can get all hacky and push way past that, but you need antennas that are much larger than what would fit in a flock box
I think the point is, they are scraping any possible data points they can over any tech/frequency/etc. NFC is unlikely unless that is pushed alongside BTLE, BT, or WiFi.
FWIW, businesses deploy tech that does this too, just for pure greed purposes, rather than mass surveillance.
Wouldn’t it be absolutely horrible if somebody accidentally swung a sledgehammer into the back of that from the other side before being filmed.
far_university1990@reddthat.com
on 23 Jul 09:12
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As soundtrack i recommend Savant - Slegdehammer.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 23 Jul 04:13
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My. Local jackasses just put a speed reader like this right in one of the lanes on my street. It tells you your speed as you swerve around it into incoming traffic. It’s infuriating… Now I want to check to see if has a flock cam in it.
Etterra@discuss.online
on 23 Jul 06:21
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These things aren’t new, even a little bit. Whoever posted this really must be from Podunk if this is the first time they’ve seen one.
threaded - newest
still vulnerable to a hammer and a lock cutter
It’s got six itty bitty phillips screws.
Land of the free home of the Surveillance State
Your flock post reminder that they aren’t just license plate readers. They capture Bluetooth and wifi MACs, NFC IDs, and cellphone IMEIs, scan for wifi ssids (exactly like a WiFi Pineapple, to further fingerprint a device) from every device within range. They also do facial recognition of everyone within view of the lens. All that information is sent to flock for sale to any government agency,
A couple of magnets and a small sheet of metal will not only block the camera, but also leave it fully enclosed in a metal box.
A stiff wind or a jostle will knock that loose. Sometimes what you need is a hammer
A few neodymium magnets and that’s a non issue. It also makes it harder to prove damages in front of a judge, if you’re ever caught.
General Ludd’s hammer always worked.
Black spray paint
I was going to go with dog shit but an I am not crafty as all of yous.
I’m just pragmatic. It works better at scale to fill an old fire extinguisher with black spray paint and pressurize it
No, and as said that only blocks the camera and nothing else. Every single thread I’ve seen feels like there are people who are actively trying to suggest the worst ways to do something to them. It almost feels like paid actors who are there to lower the level of handicap made to the cameras, it’s that prevalent.
Again and again it’s someone who says the right thing, actually destroying them or using something to disable more than just one thing and there’s always replies like yours.
I just don’t understand how people witch such immense ignorance and idiocy show up and reply to every fucking thread.
That doesn’t stop the electronic surveillance.
Sure, but it makes it a whole lot easier for the next activist to disable that
We work in teams. Each accoring to their own ability and risk appetite.
First, someone maps the location of the cameras on OSM. That’s totally legal and extremely important for the whole effort.
Next, someone spray paints them. Then someone cuts them down and smashes them. Finally, scrappers come to collect the waste.
Some people burn the cameras out with lasers instead of spray paint!
lasers don’t damage the entire sensor, it puts dots in the sensor but rarely kills it entirely.
I’m seeing a whole lot of people say otherwise with laser strength talk and have handled cameras before so imma trust them over some random claiming otherwise.
“I’m gonna trust this random that confirms my worldview over another random without asking anyone’s qualifications” 🤡
You’d have to sit there for literally over a minute at close range just shining the laser directly into the sensor otherwise you’ll just leave spots on it.
youtu.be/8bpyMST7eCA
youtube.com/shorts/jX6EmldIbR0
youtu.be/wREpnGqEhSM
youtube.com/shorts/yzJ9ix3KL7c
TLDW: You’re unlikely to kill a camera with a laser unless you have a 3W laser, a tripod, and several minutes. It’s not the “flash a laser into the lens to kill it” like people keep making it out to be.
P.s. I’ve been a live music photographer off and on for fifteen years, I’ve shot around lasers plenty of times. Don’t be surprised when Flock adds a laser filter to their lenses.
youtu.be/QdkQmtQmhCE
Fuck of a lot smarter than trusting a random with 0 qualifications mentioned.
Not watching shit since you think I’m not discussing using a more than 3w laser. Probably think I meant a red normal one, huh?
Having burned out my own camera equipment testing this shit myself I know what I’m talking about buddy.
Yeah, you don’t know shit. I provided several sources of security companies and researchers. Blocked. Go back to reddit.
Also, you’re a fucking idiot. 3W is extremely powerful. That’s 600x the legal limit, the fact that you’re arguing a 3W laser would be a red laser pointer tells me how fucking daft you are.
Ooh, what a good turn of phrase. I’m taking it.
Fuck the people in my town have just started running them over with their cars.
To the point it’s making headlines in the news lmao
Also microphones
Are some allegedly ALPR+car identification (including dents and “convoys”, associated vehicles) only while others (like some capturing walking paths) do the faces + audio & all?
It would be a shame if someone much smarter than me used that knowledge to exploit these systems with
malwarefreedomeware.What are their inputs?
How does it fetch NFC data when it’s only readable within a few cm?
I questioned that too. Didn’t get a satisfactory response. It was a in a presentation for mainly law enforcement to a generally non-technical audience. But I include it in my ‘notification’ anyway because those bastards are sneaky. The main push of the presentation is that if it emits a signal, it’s leaving digital exhaust that can be tracked and correlated.
You “can” read nfc from further away, the couple of cm limit is it’s designed operation.
You need an emitter with enough field strength to power the remote chip that is also sensitive enough to read the modulation on the signal. You can buy commercial devices that go about a meter. You can get all hacky and push way past that, but you need antennas that are much larger than what would fit in a flock box
That’s really insightful, thanks 👍
I think the point is, they are scraping any possible data points they can over any tech/frequency/etc. NFC is unlikely unless that is pushed alongside BTLE, BT, or WiFi.
FWIW, businesses deploy tech that does this too, just for pure greed purposes, rather than mass surveillance.
Wouldn’t it be absolutely horrible if somebody accidentally swung a sledgehammer into the back of that from the other side before being filmed.
As soundtrack i recommend Savant - Slegdehammer.
My. Local jackasses just put a speed reader like this right in one of the lanes on my street. It tells you your speed as you swerve around it into incoming traffic. It’s infuriating… Now I want to check to see if has a flock cam in it.
These things aren’t new, even a little bit. Whoever posted this really must be from Podunk if this is the first time they’ve seen one.
With the flock camera in the back?
Big ball of mud should take care of that for a while
Is covering it a obstruction? Since the device it’s in clearly is for another usecase.