Qwant or DDG or startpage
from lopar49@lemm.ee to degoogle@lemmy.ml on 21 Apr 15:07
https://lemm.ee/post/61980790

I’m stuck with what to choose. I prioritise speed and privacy

I guess i’m doing pros and cons for all of them now:

Startpage Pros - uses google’s search results and anonymous view, eu based Cons - Bought my an ad company

Qwant Pros - eu based Cons - lots of ads, sometimes a bug where it is in france

DDG pros - faster than the other two, Cons - techrights.org/…/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/

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Vampire@hexbear.net on 21 Apr 15:18 next collapse

or Ecosia?

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:20 collapse

Haven’t really tried it but it isnt privacy friendly?

haverholm@kbin.earth on 21 Apr 15:25 next collapse

Of the three mentioned, maybe Qwant? I'm wary of any search engine that implements "AI", so DDG is out. Startpage — I can't provide a source, but I seem to recall there were misgivings to them in the past.

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:32 collapse

Out of all of the three, I would say startpage is the cleanest. DDG has had a fair few controversies techrights.org/…/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/ . So I think they are off the list atm, I may consider brave search but I’m not sure.

FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca on 21 Apr 20:10 collapse

Startpage is owned by an adtech company, i don’t trust them.

irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Apr 15:25 next collapse

I’d say none will be private in the long term. Acquisitions ultimately break that eventually. It’s hard to run a successful service and not get acquired, eventually. So, I have a self-hosted searxng instance. DDG has already started moving away from privacy and Startpage has some signs it might be moving that way in the near future. I’ll let others comment on the current state of things at each, but if you give your search to any profit driven company it has the potential to be sold. But IMHO Qwant is currently the best option outside of metasearch engines with small nonprofit ownership, whoch can be unreliable, or self hosting.

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:26 next collapse

I thought self hosting a searxng instance was like really bad due to you being the only user on it?

irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Apr 21:07 collapse

What’s wrong with being the only one on it?

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:28 next collapse

Qwant has some reasonable privacy concerns its self as it sends your ip and stuff etc to microsoft.

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:28 collapse

how to find a good searxng instance, as all the ones i have found are rubbish (self hosting isnt an option.)

irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Apr 21:09 collapse

searx.space

Problem is that if a site gets too popular, then the search engines like google tend to start rate limiting. Before in started self hosting I jumped around every couple of months to a new server.

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 22:19 collapse

I have found one I somewhat like but after looking further I found 4get.ch or something like that, it’s results where better the searx and it looked nicer and it’s quicker

ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world on 21 Apr 15:27 next collapse

I’m a fan of DDG still for now. But would love to hear your final decision and the logic behind it when you decide.

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:30 collapse

I do like DDG, but it feels like its getting more bloated, furthermore I would prefer a EU based service rather than an american one. sorry but this might put you off ddg techrights.org/…/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/

Eat_Your_Paisley@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:29 next collapse

I use DDG and Startpage

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:30 collapse

what do you main?

Eat_Your_Paisley@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:33 collapse

I don’t really, it truly depends on the browser but my go to computer browser is librewolf which uses startpage

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:33 collapse

did librewolf change it from ddg???

LWD@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:44 next collapse

Qwant doesn’t prioritize privacy very well, besides leaning on its European-ness. Their privacy policy does not engender trust with me.

lemm.ee/comment/19796261

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 15:47 collapse

Crikey, thats not good

DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works on 21 Apr 16:19 next collapse

i used to use startpage before switching to searxng and its pretty good just the mobile app they beckon you to download is garbage and just chromium with a startpage paint job over it but if you just want the search engine for another browser its prob one the best

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 16:27 collapse

What instance would you recommend?

standarduser@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 20:33 next collapse

Not the OG, but I tried instances for awhile. After about two months I decided to self host it. The best instances for testing, imo, would be ones that have IPv6 on and nearest to your location for the host. They are aggregators so its tracking will be limited to the host of it. Even then, it’s a worthwhile test but self hosting can be as easy as installing docker, making a docker hub account, and pulling the prebuilt searxng image and going to the set port. That’s easiest way if you have reservation about data, but don’t have the time to configure the whole thing.

DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works on 22 Apr 09:48 collapse

i host my own but if you cant do that id reccoment one of the ones with the V html grade and with good uptime

hellfire103@lemmy.ca on 21 Apr 16:33 next collapse

Startpage. Qwant’s kinda shit, and DDG is known to have sub-par results, as well as being American.

lopar49@lemm.ee on 21 Apr 16:36 collapse

Startpage is owned by an ad agency

Tundra@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 00:01 next collapse

leta.mullvad.net

geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 13:40 collapse

Leta gave me very bad results

sonalder@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 08:46 collapse

searchengine.party