In the Google antitrust trial, defaults are everything and nobody likes Bing (www.theverge.com)
from fattyfoods@feddit.nl to technology@lemmy.ml on 17 Sep 2023 17:17
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autotldr@lemmings.world on 17 Sep 2023 17:20 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


But this trial kicks off two years after a district judge found Apple could maintain its locked-down iOS ecosystem and two months after Microsoft won a ruling letting it buy Activision Blizzard, continuing a rapid consolidation of the games industry.

They also painted the allegations as disingenuous complaints from fellow tech companies who couldn’t compete fairly: in Apple’s case, the Fortnite publisher Epic, and in Microsoft’s, the rival console maker Sony.

In opening arguments, Schmidtlein showed instructions for switching from Google to another search engine, comparing it to the days of slotting in software floppy disks or downloading programs over dial-up internet.

Rangel was one of the few non-Google employees to make an appearance on the witness stand in the first week, arguing in a presentation that search engine defaults produce a “sizable and robust bias” toward the preselected option.

The first week of testimony hasn’t fully explored this yet, but one of its prime examples is lax privacy standards — if Google had to seriously compete instead of buying its way into your search bar, Dintzer said, it might have to do a better job of safeguarding your data.

The Justice Department is expected to make its case over the rest of September and early October, and we’ll likely hear from a bevy of current and former Google employees, including CEO Sundar Pichai.


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zkikiz@lemmy.ml on 17 Sep 2023 19:13 next collapse

I like “bing” just fine, in the sense that I’m pretty sure duckduckgo uses Bing search results

accideath@lemmy.world on 17 Sep 2023 20:04 collapse

DuckDuckGo uses quite a few sources for their results. Bing is among them but also Yahoo! Search BOSS, Wolfram Alpha, Yandex and about 400 more, including their own webcrawler. DuckDuckGo also explicitly filters out and down ranks content mills, pages with too much advertising and pages that are deemed to have low journalistic standards. (Source: Wikipedia)

[deleted] on 18 Sep 2023 00:40 next collapse
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tekcaj@lemmy.ml on 18 Sep 2023 03:06 collapse

It’s just that good

Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip on 19 Sep 2023 05:39 collapse

Looped all the way around the digit counter

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 18 Sep 2023 02:10 collapse

That’s cool. So the internet just sucks then.

newIdentity@sh.itjust.works on 17 Sep 2023 19:15 collapse

Bing should just stop pushing their intrusive ads, news and browser and they would actually be quite good

GunnarRunnar@kbin.social on 17 Sep 2023 19:25 collapse

I'm still on my Bing diet from Google but they'd be an easy recommend if the search didn't suck ass. I'm not saying Google is that good either, equally bad on most cases, but from time to time I still need Google's help because they're getting me closer to what I want than Bing.

But sure, focus on spammy, intrusive ads straight in the OS. Fucking idiots. I don't understand how they think they'll win that war without improving the product. I hate the AI as well because I can't trust it.

accideath@lemmy.world on 17 Sep 2023 20:06 next collapse

I can only recommend you try DuckDuckGo. In my experience, 99% of time, the search results are much, much better than either Google or Bing.

staticblanket@lemmy.ca on 17 Sep 2023 20:09 next collapse

God bless duckduckgo.

accideath@lemmy.world on 17 Sep 2023 20:12 collapse

Amen.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 17 Sep 2023 21:01 collapse

DuckDuckGo is Bing though. But I agree, search results are absolutely fine compared to Google, and they don’t have the stupid spam nonsense that Bing has.

Mkengine@feddit.de on 17 Sep 2023 21:41 next collapse

According to Wikipedia Bing is only part of the results: “DuckDuckGo’s results are a compilation of “over 400” sources according to itself, including Bing, Yahoo! Search BOSS, Wolfram Alpha, Yandex, and its own web crawler (the DuckDuckBot); but none from Google.”

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 17 Sep 2023 22:12 collapse

Sure. But I’d be surprised if Bing wasn’t the primary source. Regardless, the results are pretty good, and I don’t mind the ads it uses.

accideath@lemmy.world on 18 Sep 2023 00:37 collapse

Nope, they aren’t. At least not just. DuckDuckGo uses Bing among about 400 other sources like Yandex, Wolfram Alpha, Yahoo! Search BOSS and even their own webcrawler. On top of that, they filter out and downrank content mills, pages with too much advertising and websites deemed to have low journalistic standards. So is literally bringing together the search results from all the sources and filtering out the garbage. And on top of that, they have way less ads and tracking than either Google or Bing

Source: Wikipedia

jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works on 18 Sep 2023 01:09 collapse

Anytime they talk about using “AI” at my job it’s in some way that is completely unnecessary and seems to actually make the product shittier. And no, it’s not Bing.