PewDiePie's tierlist of browsers
from DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml to privacy@lemmy.ml on 27 Jun 2025 11:18
https://lemmy.ml/post/32333359
from DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml to privacy@lemmy.ml on 27 Jun 2025 11:18
https://lemmy.ml/post/32333359
Source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Lxkt50xOg
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Brave is a series scam company.
Firefox is a monopoly’s pet
all hail lynx
Real experts browse the web by email
Richard Stallman style!
Bracing a pedophilia and necrophilia sympathiser as your hero smh
Making a joke about a ridiculous habit is hardly making someone a hero.
My brain read this to the tune of Gangnam Style
Is there anything emacs cannot do?
Y’all are seriously still using the internet?
AFAIK it hasn’t been used as an OS yet (meaning init - the thing you start after bootloader). Or a bootloader
Right?
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Exactly I’d even use Chrome before I’d ever touch Brave.
Would you mind giving some context? Ive never used Brave, but my dad does. In which sense is it a “scam”? Would want him to switch if its terrible
People care more about CEO’s opinion on politics and hate Web3 crypto more than they understand technical browser stuff.
Brave is far from perfect and the company had their contreveries but honestly if you disable all the cryptocrap and tweak it a tiny bit so it does not show you ads and feature you don’t use it is the best chromium browser in regards to security and privacy.
Ungoogled chromium by default can’t even compare, it’s not crap but brave does so much more than it’s better for the vast majority of users.
Good summary! Thank you!
brave search otoh is pretty gud. I believe they even do their own indexing.
And yet it uses less RAM in Android phones compared to my goat, Firefox… Man FF needs a lot of improvements, all my complaints come from Android, the browser is perfect even on macOS!
Firefox still doesn’t support tab groups on mobile. That’s a non-starter for me. Hopfully Ladybird has their shit better put together than mozilla when they finally release their browser
I haven’t heard about that browser, it seems that it does its own thing, IDK man, if FF that has years in the market and still hasn’t caught up, I have no big hopes for “new” projects.
Ive used Brave for about 2 years. Its great. I have everything turned off, and all shields up, plus deactivated ‘Leo’ AI. Whats not to like?
LibreWolf W. Missing my boy Zen Browser on there tho
Edit: also RIP Mull 😔✊
What happened to mull ? :o
The DivestOS project mostly discontinued. There is a Fork called IronFox
Brave? Hard no. Vivaldi? Also no.
Also, where are qutebrowser and Zen?
qutebrowser and IceCat are real top of the game when it comes to privacy. But then, they break some of the sites functionality, especially IceCat who seems to be going under the “if your site doesn’t work, it’s your site’s problem” motto.
Which is honestly fair? Like, i would enjoy a “unsafe site, access anyways?” button, but if privacy settings break a page that literally is the pages fault for not respecting privacy.
Edit: typo
Kinda, but I would like to tailor my experience a bit more than “all or nothing”.
IceCat is directly a GNU project, so it’s highly ideological - which is important and respectable in a way, but then it gets adoption to near-zero because most sites just don’t work out of the box, and to make it work properly means completely removing all safeguards that make IceCat make sense. There’s little in between.
I’d rather have something like LibreWolf, but without phone-home functionality, or at least a switch to turn it off. Out of all Firefox forks I know, only IceCat respects user privacy in this way - 0 connections on startup, and then only connection to actual site and whatever it requires.
Opt-in telemetry (ideally - leveled) and manual bug information sending are totally fine, though.
What’s bad about Vivaldi?
It’s proprietary
The UI is as far as I know proprietary
Nothing in the browser should be proprietary. Any proprietary part is a possibility of malice, and browsers are mission critical.
I don’t disagree with that. It’s just that most browsers are built that way, unfortunately. Nothing is free, not even Firefox. If you want to sell it, it’s hard to maintain reasonable expectations that people won’t just build it from source instead of buying it. Something 100% free can’t maintain itself over long time.
Firefox is open source, and while it takes some shady practices to fund it (it sure isn’t cheap to run your own damn engine alongside everything on top), I take it as a more tenable compromise. It’s not about free as in beer freedom, it’s about basic security.
You can also have degoogled Chromium which is open-source if you’re into it.
Even EDGE is a ungoogled Chromium (but containing M$ tracking APIs instead). Vivaldi IS a degoogled Chromium, a small part of the UI (by far the most advanced one of any other browser) is proprietary, but not really obfuscated, they show even in the support forum how the user can modding it, if for him isn’t enough what he can do in the most complete setting page ever, the only thing is, you can’t use it for other browser projects. It’s certainly not a privacy or security issue.
Chromium as is, is 100% FLOSS but because of this isn’t more private or secure as a proprietary soft, FLOSS isn’t automaticly synonym of privacy and security, a lot of people confuse it, it’s not the propósit of OpenSource, privacy and security of an soft depends only of the intentions of the developer or company, not if their soft is OSS or not. The user can audit the soft, which in any case is needed if he don’t want or be able to check millons of lines in the code which a complex soft like a browser engine has.
Of course I mean pure ungoogled Chromium, without bloat on top.
Not only browser code consists of millions of lines, it is also audited by thousands of people, and, importantly, changes can be highlighted, which doesn’t allow for them to go unnoticed.
Successful mass attacks with OSS typically require much more skill and resources as you need for you malicious code to be written in a way that stays unnoticed (and eventually, rather soon, it will be discovered, with all consequences).
With closed source programs, integrating malicious code is easy, and this code can stay there unnoticed for ages, so they are 100% “trust me bro, I don’t do anything bad”.
So, yes, OSS is more secure.
Agree, it’s the problem with closed source, but also easy with FOSS with bad maintenance, even more, because also the hacker can see the source code, without the need to desensamble it. In Vivaldi some of the UI part (5%) is proprietary, but not really closed source in it’s sense of meaning, apart it has a continuous maintenance, with snapshot releases and frequent updates, a great community with the participation of the team and beta-testers. Very transparent all this, no space for fishy or shady things.
Vivaldi (a employee owned cooperative from Norway) was since years active against the shady practices of US companies and one of the promotors, along with the Consumer Organisation from Norway and some others, which caused the current EU GDPR law. Nowadays it’s needed to promoting European products and services to gain sovereignty from the US hegemony of big corporations. but sadly in browsers there are only three from Europe: Vivaldi (Norway), Mullvad (Sweden) and Konqueror (KDE, Germany), the other one, UR (France) is dead since a lot of years.
Mullvad is maybe the most private browser after TOR, but apart of this not much more, Sync with Mozilla account which is a no-go for me. Konqueror, based on the KHTML engine (Grandfather of Blink and WebKit) is Linux desktop only, interesting features, but few extensions and somewhat limited. Well, end of the choices.
(not me downvoting)
I understand the concern with locally made software. However, I’d rather see something open-source come from the US than something closed source come from my own country.
Speaking of Konqueror, what about Falkon? It is the newer option by KDE team, and works on a more modern engine. And, it works on Windows.
I’ve also concerns over closed source apps, but as said, the small proprietary part of Vivaldi’s UI is irrelevant, there is nothing shady in it, it is full auditable and can even be modded by the user (at own risk, logically)
FLOSS isn’t always synonymous of privacy, security and trust and proprietary soft also not always spyware and risky crap.Always is needed to read PP and TOS of the software you want use, it’s features, support, and compare it with others, independent if it is FOSS or not. Eg. In Windows since a lot of years, one of the best and most valued tools is IrfanView, free proprietary closed source, but nobody bother because of this, knowing that there is nothing shady or fishy in it, Photoshop is also full trustworth, but there are FOSS alternatives (Gimp, Krita) which in the case of IrfanView not really exist with similar features. Even used by Linux fans with Wine, (IrfanView is Windows only)
Falcon, well, not bad, but too basic for me. The Qt engine is a minimized Blink fork, also used by the Otter Browser (Qt5), same as Goanna respect of Gecko. Valid for users with an old PC or with few resources, who needs a small browser for basic tasks.
Just because PewDiePie switched to Linux doesn’t mean we should listen to his browser recommendations
Very true, I feel like people miss the point of his own experience and/or opinion
True but he’s sparking more interest in FOSS so that’s still a good thing. I doubt his advice is perfect but if it gets more people started onto their own journey it’s a win.
You’re right about that, I was moreso saying that his crappy browser tier list isn’t worth sharing
not his recommendations
that is not his list, just a random screenshot.
Yeah i just checked the video and it appeared for like 2 seconds as a side note. He never even tried Brave apparently.
probably just his editor put it for the video
… I don’t think listening to random big influencers is a good way forward (in anything).
(As to the list - others already pointed out everything, y’all nerds know shit! <3)
I know it’s been said, but Brave is a hard no. Replace it with Ungoogled Chromium. I haven’t seen the video so I don’t understand why it’s in the “not ideal for a normal human” list, and I am biased since I use plenty of “not for normal” tools.
I believe its this: lemmy.world/post/32106925/17916457
Why is the open source Chromium ranked worse than Google Chrome? Like sure, it’s not gonna go very high, but it deserves better than that.
Brb, double clicking ‘Netscape Navigator’ to go on ‘Ask Jeeves’ to look up what this “PewDiePie” is
Hey, Cromite is great. Take it under “solid”.
The only problem with Ungoogled that makes it “not ideal for a normal human” is that fact that it is still cumbersome af to download it. Regular people don’t know github and how to click on “show all assets” and pick the right build.
Isn’t installing extensions in it also a pain, since the Google webstore doesn’t let you install from it?
I guess to answer my own question, I looked it up - there’s an extension to let you do that alongside some flag changes, so I guess not too bad… But it’s another step on the list of things you’d want to do as a user
Yeah that extension should be shipped with the browser to make things easier.
Is download-chromium.appspot.com not good enough?
I don’t use this as a my main browser though, just for testing. I don’t recommend Chromium backends due to Google control over it.
Do you not realize that regular users may struggle to install extensions without the extension store? This is because ungoogled Chromium lacks that feature.
No I did not and I’m not sure what you imagine “regular users” might be. I feel that if someone goes the extra length to get their browser outside of a store, they can do the same with extensions, is it extravagant?
Not a problem in Vivaldi, you can install even pure scripts as extension, without the need of an Userscript Manager, like TamperMonkey or similar. Due to the great amount of features, most extension from the Chrome Store are anyway redundant.
That’s not Ungoogled Chromium, at all. Not even close.
Right, is github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium then? Take like 4 clicks to get a working AppImage.
What’s with Mull being at the very bottom? It was the best Firefox app
It is no longer maintained
With this, Vivaldi remains as the only usefull browser from Europe. Konqueror is usefull only for certain tech collectives.
List of alternatives
There are also some other marginal forks, but mostly without warranty to be further attended and updated. This is the current panorama, anybody to their like.
I like my browser hard AF
Putting Cromite at the bottom most tier makes me discard the entire thing.
And Brave at the top lmao.
This dude poopoopie has always been garbage.
Your comment made me look at the list again. I didn’t even realise Brave is located at the very top.
Also, why is “not ideal for a normal human” at the middle of the list?
Garbage, indeed.
It’s not his list, yet you goons shit on him like it is. Didn’t watch the video, just came to hate without context… Sad.
Doesn’t matter if it is his list nor did I ever say it was garbage because it is his.
It is garbage, objectively.
and ‘it’ isn’t a part of the video.
What a weird thing to argue.
It doesn’t matter whether the list is part of the video or whether it was created by PewDiePie.
The list, in the screenshot of OP, is garbage.
Besides, the same screenshot is of a video that shows the list along with the name of the channel and the video title (which correlates with other news of the creator releasing an anti-Google video). So the list, for all purposes of this discussion, is part of the video.
What exactly has he done to warrant considering this? He’s a yt star, not a privacy expert.
He’s been getting into FOSS and privacy lately
So explicitly not an expert.
Yeah but he was never claiming to be. I don’t think he made any direct recommendations in the video.
Just him documenting his own journey de-googling.
My point is it serves no purpose here.
tits no his list
Somehow even less useful, since the source can’t even be verified.
Wait. He hasn’t crumbled into dust or whatever these “Offputting guy with shit politics who has an inexplicable army of irritating tween fans” youtubers do when they’re past their shelf life? I thought he was irritating when I was in high school. That was…what, thirteen years ago now?
It’s vitally important to know which browser is preferred by the guy who says slurs to an audience of children
Who hurt you?
B-b-but he has a FAMILY now! Isn’t that so WHOLESOME!
It’s a youtuber, who made this, and people feel hurt, because he doesn’t put their browser at the top. That’s just sad. He puts Firefox at the top - I use Firefox, and I still don’t care what he thinks about it. I make informed choices, it’s not religion for me…
He didn’t even made this, is a screenshot of a bunch of browsers that appears for 2 seconds on a video.
Then it’s evwn dumber of people to judge pewdiepie over where browsers are on the list…
Still can’t believe that Pewdiepie became one of those Linux youtubers, only thing missing is linux distro reviews and why he can’t use X software xD
Librewolf is cancer for regular use
What issues did you encounter?
Kim Kardashian’s face care routine.
Where’s ladybird
Edit - I didn’t know about the Transphobia going on there. that is unjustifiable.
gimmie a download link
In the trash with the rest of the transphobes
Wait, something happened with ladybird? Or is just a joke?
This is a fairly unbiased writeup
toxigon.com/2025-ladybird-unjustifiable
Thx :D That was a good read. I didn’t know about that
Neither did I. Wow dead before arrival.
I didn’t find any specifics in that article. What does it mean that the documentation was asked to be more gender neutral? I can’t think of any gendered documentation I have read from any other projects.
The user was referred to as “he” in the all the documentation. Random made up example “if the user wants to change his settings he will click this button in the top left” or whatever.
A very normal PR was raised that just changed these uses to be gender neutral and it was declined for being too political.
Thanks for claryfing. I’m not well versed in using git, but does the PR mean that all the work to change the pronouns was already done? All the owner of the repo had to do was accept the changes?
Correct!
Still in development
Ladybird Trattoria? About 10 minutes away from Linus Media Group.
Not sure why you asked but you now have an answer, hope it helps
I mean ladybird certainly would be lowest tier, considering you first have to compile yourself 😂 also it’s pre alpha state…
But it’ll be interesting to see how far they’ve come on 1 year
That’s a good find that famous people are getting into FOSS (should be free as in freedom too). But it’s really not a good thing that they spread a non expert speaking to the crowd.
Tier lists are meant to be mainly subjective and pretty relative to the person that made it. In that way Pewdipie could quote experts but in no case should make a tier list based on what he found the last weeks (I didn’t fully watched the video so maybe I’m wrong and he made a big disclaimer)
If you watch the video, Felix tells you twice in the same sentence that he uses Arch.
Lemmy had taught me that this means Felix IS an expert on FOSS
How sorry didn’t know, so that make him really one of the biggest expert in FOSS 100%
Right? Lol
Ppl focusing on the negative. It’s just his subjective list. He doesn’t claim to be an expert. Lemmy autism peaking here. More exposure to foss is good guys
Superiority complex in the comments.
I kinda think Floorp is better than waterfox
I’m considering switching to Floorp, I’ll need to check of Pewdiepie has his reasons and what those are.
He barely touches on the topic of browsers, it’s like 40 second segment, i don’t think he even made the tier list.
Vivaldi is somehow on top of Floorp so I’d say his reasons are laughable at best.
Floorp is amazing
Brave 🤮
No Zen-Browser (though I am not sure when this vid was made), and Pale Moon should be in the “Not ideal for a normal human” at best.
Ngl, feel like his tier list is based on usability while avoiding big tech.
Tbh even if this tierlist is not the best or great, it still is “good enough”. Plus the most important thing is to get tons of people interested.
I rather have “good enough” tier list that reaches to millions of people, then have a perfect tierlist that only reaches out to less than a dozen people.
Because amongst the millions of people who are interested, thousands of them will do their own research into privacy and dig deeper into it.
Plus right now, the biggest weakness of privacy is the fact that our community is too small to make an impact.
Having someone give this much outreach and influence to attract attention towards privacy is a good thing. (well, as long as their advice are on the positive end of the spectrum, and pewdiepie’s advise surely is, even if its not perfect)
Sir, this is 2025, we don’t do nuanced opinions here anymore.
I’ve looked into it and it’s not even his tier list, just one he found online.
This is a random screenshot he used in hos video for roughly 2 seconds. This is not his tierlist.
Not of his. This is a known widespread tierlist made by other person (I do not remember if this came from Reddit, a YT video or what, but it is well known)
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He did not promote it though. He said he uses firefox.
Seeing a lot of criticisms. Is there a better tier list then?
No, just uninformed hate of a youtuber who openly says he’s not an expert. Bunch of crusty autistic assholes in this thread for sure.
I couldn’t care less about what this character says.
Never seen anoyone rank brave alongside or even above standard firefox.
No Mull?
Isn’t mull dead?
Stop sharing and platforming the nazi
Also, this tierlist sucks fucking balls
Oh god how are there so many of you freaks
.ml is full of freaks, and so many instances do not defederate for some ungodly reason… I say make the freaks have to leave their comfort zone if they want to engage with real people.
Instance-based tribalism is stupid. I’d expect as much from a .world-er 🙃
You’re not proving me wrong here, chief.
Sarcasm, captain.
Says the banned user.
Crazy to see how much people on here hate this guy
yeah, super weird how people hate a fascist
I don’t mean this in a mean way, honestly curious – fascist how? As far as I know he made a couple of distasteful jokes a decade ago and apologized for it. Not great but we should stop using words like fascist and Nazi unless we can back it up.
Why is this guy popping up so much lately on Lemmy? I remember thinking this guy was a piece of shit about a decade ago…
I haven’t kept up with the times. Was I right? Or did I become an angry old man 20 years to early?
You could just watch the video
Watching the video is unlikely to answer my question.
It is quite the opposite. It will answer your question in it’s first 30secs. Even reading the other comments here will. Lol.
Quite literally the opposite. The first minute does not answer my question about why he has been appearing all over lemmy. Neither do the comments here.
Sure he’s trying to degoogle. Hence this post, but that is not what I asked.
Unclear if you’re a troll or just choosing to be dense…
You might be trolling. Good luck leading your life with that wit.
Ah, clearly a degen troll. My lemmy will be a better place with you on the block list.
Slow guy doesn’t even know what degen means.
Why would you even follow his advice, he’s found a new way to generate clicks just ignore his advice.
He doesn’t even know mull?