from inlandempire@jlai.lu to privacy@lemmy.ml on 06 Nov 15:01
https://jlai.lu/post/45818039
Edit: I made a mistake, I meant to add Mailfence instead of Fastmail, but forgot to update both the icon and text
Hey everyone, here’s a follow up to my previous post, I tried to summarize all your suggestions and these are the options I have for the main Proton products I’ve been using.
I removed Bitwarden based on your feedback (basically they’re enshittifying).
I’m not including Tuta, because I dislike their UX/UI, also they seem to not apply their LLM policy to their own devs.
I’m not including Mullvlad, because of one of the founder’s donation to a far right political party in Sweden, said founder has a blog post to justify this, which links to another blog post where he claims to be a libertarian anarchist which is just another word for Ancaps which is a dealbreaker for me.
A lot of people recommended using one’s own domain for email stuff, I forgot to mention I do have a custom domain, which will make migrating a lot easier indeed. Just need to update my accounts credentials.
Let me know what you think!
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So, guys, I’ve had a pretty great experience with GMail, from a small company… they index the Internet, whatever that means. Anyway, the sign up is free and and I don’t have to bring a domain… again, not sure what that means, but it sounds nice.
It sounds perfect, I sure hope they’re not evil or something <img alt="doomer" src="https://jlai.lu/pictrs/image/de061376-39e7-4bc0-b17f-a9c39bac50b0.webp">
First time I’ve seen AliasVault. The built-in email server to create aliases and receive email is cool. No need to use a separate service. Can anyone who uses AliasVault share your experience? I know it’s FOSS. I can’t find any info if they’ve been independently audited. If it’s great, I’ll switch from Bitwarden.
Fastmail while an excellent product, is in a jurisdiction with “dubious” rules. I would give Tuta a second chance. Infomaniak is also a good alternative.
That’s my mistake, I meant to add Mailfence instead of Fastmail, but forgot to update both the icon and text
Tuta enjoyer here. Shame you don’t include them.
As a fellow Tuta user, I agree, but it really was a mistake that they removed the old premium plan. 12€/year, so 1€/month, was such a good no-brainer deal to completely annihilate the competition, it’s such a shame it’s gone. But at least I got to keep it.
Great list! Thanks for compiling this. AliasVault looks promising.
What are the suggested alternatives to Proton Drive?
People mainly suggested either NextCloud or Filen, or you can self host with a NAS too
Worth noting for example Mailbox.org offers some online storage so you might find an interesting combo if you need both
It’s interesting that Filen mentions you might not be able to use the free starter plan if you’re on a VPN when you register. Wonder why they are keeping track of that? Abuse prevention maybe, but it’s weird they do it that way considering they sell a privacy-focused product.
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Please remove Mailfence from the list.
I am using them, they are great, you can use your own domain, alias, webcal, with document space too, and cheap…
Please, I want it to stay smol and good.
Not all publicity is good publicity I’ve learnt…
Something that keeps being missed in these posts that I would recommend is Forward Email and NymVPN. For self-hosted email, I have also seen Stalwart recommended.
Just a question, is there anything wrong with just KeePass?
No, but you need to backup/sync it yourself
I meant non-XC KeePass. You have to back up XC manually as well. But I think I saw someone saying something bad about KeePass without XC or DX and I’m curious now.
KeePass is proprietary. KeePassXC is open source. I have experience with both and I find XC much better in many ways.
Thanks. I’m so used to KeePass that I just can’t get used to XC. I don’t like keeping the database open. I’m OK with XC on laptop with fingerprint reader, but on desktop, it just feels unwieldy. Also, I like to manually synchronize files between devices, because then they act as backup. And I can’t run syncthing at work.
But in that regard KeePass and XC work the same? Both just use the DB and lock if want them to lock…
I guess? Somehow i missed the autotype in XC before, maybe? I just checked it, switched to comapst mode and briefly tested and other than synchronisation of 2 databases, it ses to work mostly as I want to (better in some ways, maybe, more testing needed). And there’s Merge from database, which by the sound of it might do the synchronisation the way I want to. I will test it more! It looks like it might work for me too. Thank you!
Anybody know what the deal is for encrypted mail between mailbox.org and proton?
I’m looking to shift my proton over to mailbox. But I have lots of friends on proton, mostly b/c I recommended them to! And realistically, I am not gonna convince them all to move again. Some have onyl been on proton a few months.
I think proton-to-proton email is E2EE. I’m wondering if various others like mailbox that use pgp under the covers, cooperate to pgp between themselves too. Am I losing anything, if my friends stay on proton and I move to mailbox?
Email server to server might be TLS-ed most of the time anymore. But that’s not E2E.
Proton has a page on How to use PGP with Proton Mail, including instructions for using it when emailing non-Proton accounts. If your friends follow that and you setup PGP properly in mailbox it should all work.
I don’t see Mozilla Thundermail making any of these lists, so if there are concerns, this is the place to say why. It’s still beta, but I got my invitation only 2 days after asking, so I’d say it’s viable in that regard.
Looks like they became an advertiser via acquisition of anonym, removed the “we don’t sell your data” promise and switched from claiming “the best privacy” to “always protected” and updated their privacy policy, although the article I read didn’t cover what specific problems were introduced, just said that it was concerning. source
Thunderbird is technically separated from Mozilla to my understanding
Great wiki resource, thanks.
i had enough struggle to convince my friends to switch away from google, im sure as hell not getting them to switch again. especially not when i am the one paying for the family subscription
I’m confused… If you’re the one paying for it, why do you need to convince them of anything? They can come along or pay for their own services.
it was unfortunately worded. the reason they switched at all is because im paying. if i stop paxing they will just switch back
That’s their prerogative.
I think it’s fine. Proton is still better than big tech. I want to move away from Proton for myself but that’s because I am not tied to an address (custom domain) and am happy to do the switch. I would still encourage Proton over big tech for regular people. We do the best we can do.
I recently made a post asking for email providers, and no one has yet mentioned Mailfence, I hadn’t heard of it until seeing this post. What are people’s thoughts on it?
I posted about it in another recent thread. Long time user and I am happy. But I only use some features despite paying. They historically had free accounts, too, but unsure what they offer now.
They still have free accounts. I tried to sign up, to do so I needed to enter a backup email. I used a simplelogin one and now I’m blocked and have to wait 24 hours to try again 🤦
Interesting! I tried creating a new account with my mailfence email and it just told me no. There was a point where I experienced places balking at me using that domain, perhaps they have had to tighten up registration.
Oh also it kept telling me my selected username was invalid, while giving no indication as to why. In the end I think it was because it had the word “host” in it (actually, it was “ghost”, but apparently they don’t allow “host”).
I’ve tried again with a different recovery email and it still said no, please contact support. But I couldn’t find a link to contact support, only a knowledgebase, so I’m probably going to go with mailbox.org instead. I have created a trial account there without issue.
What ever happened to Tuta mail? Is that bad?
What’s the thing with ChiPass vs KeepassXC?
No idea, but the chip ass (this was autocorrected but I’ll leave it :D) repo seems like a clone of KeepassXC…
I would recommend doing a little more research into Mullvad and not rule it completely. I had the same stance until recently when someone pointed out a few facts.
The Örebro party is actually pretty interesting. Most of thier policies are pretty reasonable and forward thinking. Other countries would love to have some of the things they are advocating for (shorter work weeks, free public transport, and lower politician salaries, to name a few).
Just because one of the founders donated his own money to the organization doesn’t mean the company as a whole supports it.
Many of the VPNs being suggested may not have founders with crazy political views, but in my experience and other research, they are either extremely slow or have very few servers.
I will be switching to Mullvad in the very near future.
Ah yes, remigration & calling nonwhite migrants “parasites” is quite forward thinking.
It’s still money that came from the profits of the VPN. A very substantial amount too. I’d like for you to reconsider the VPN choice if possible.
Literally Hitler wasn’t that bad of a person. He was a huge animal rights activist, he spent a lot of time and money improving Germany’s transport infrastructure, and let’s not forget all the scientific strides under his leadership! /s
I can’t switch again, for the love of god(s) I’m old and tired.
I’m going to give Mozilla’s new mail service a try next weekend. I think it’s called thundermail or thinderbirdmail.
replace KeePassXC with ChiPass, which is a fork without AI
Fun fact about KeepassXC: it also supports 2FA (via manually inserting totp tokens), so you could argue it’s also an alternative to Proton Authenticator assuming you don’t mind having your TOTP tokens and passwords are in the same place. Though I will say having them in the same place is at least better than not having 2FA at all, so it’s an option to consider
If you’re worried about it you could also have a seperate file for 2fa, different passwords. The embedded file and notes features are great for storing the backup/recovery codes good 2fa implementations give you.
I don’t think you want to include Windscribe: retro.social/@ifixcoinops/117526586958025535
aaaaaand one more to remove, thanks for the heads up
Tuta had honeypot allegations. gizmodo.com/tuta-email-denies-connection-to-intel…