Where does Palantir get the data from to begin with?
from zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com to privacy@lemmy.ml on 26 Sep 13:40
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/54241229
from zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com to privacy@lemmy.ml on 26 Sep 13:40
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/54241229
They don’t have a social media service, right? So where do they get the data to train their AI models ? Surely they need a lot, right? It would be nice if the public knew who cooperates with them (other than governments) and just boycott their services, or at least pressure them.
If company X doesn’t offer your data to governments officials, but offers them to Palantir which makes a profile of you that it offer to the same officials, isn’t that even worse ?
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I want to box this nerd so bad.
Hear this crazy thought:
be as anonymous as you can and don’t share your personal data over the internet.
Even if you never went online, heaps of data about you is collected and sold.
And if you are online, the “be as anonymous as you can and don’t share your personal data over the internet.” statement makes it sound easy, which is far from true. It’s a constant game of whack-a-mole where one needs incredibly disciplined to compartmentalize and segregate login sessions across browsers and devices. If one isn’t technically skilled and constantly vigilant, it’s a losing battle. That’s why awareness and campaigns that support privacy focused regulation are important.
As I said “as anonymous as you CAN”, which is better than posting the photos of your birthday on Instagram or whatever people do these days.
That’ll protect your data from random stalkers or smaller companies, but Palantir has so many data brokers and the cooperation of the government that you can’t function in society without giving them data.
Ok, but it’s one thing to give them my name and face, for example, and it’s another to let them know my political orientation.
I don’t know, it seems a good compromise to me, but it’s true that I don’t have any need of more privacy than that to live in safety (for now at least), so maybe my point of view is too limited.
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Unfortunately, most road cameras in the US are owned and operated by private companies who are perfectly welling to sell that data in real time. Your license plate is very easy to read, and it’s a number that’s uniquely identifying. If police want to use it in courts they usually need to prove you’re actually the driver, but if it’s an entity not really concerned with that it’ll do a great job tracking you. I try to bike wherever I can, they generally don’t have any personally identifying information.
Have you heard of Invidious? Or the Duck Player? You can use YouTube without giving YouTube your data, though it might not work quite as well.
I do a lot personally to increase my own privacy, from running GrapheneOS (usually with airplane mode on, which actually fully disables cellular (I used an RTL-SDR to check, and nothing with my IMEI was broadcasting)), to not using social media (besides Lemmy, I guess), to running Arch Linux w/ LibreFox as my primary browser, to not using Amazon, to getting my friends and family to use Signal as our primary means of communication.
But letting privacy be a personal thing just means that the vast majority of people will have their privacy completely compromised, and that it’ll be very easy for privacy-concious people to slip up. Privacy should be a right, not a privilege, and the only way to do that is to go to the source: explicitly targeting, sabotaging, and campaigning against data brokers and large private companies that collect peoples data. Until we force them to stop, there is no privacy, just the illusion of privacy.
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I guess they buy it from data brokers and also their clients give them their data.
They buy it from data brokers. Some governments are limited on what they can store where companies can store whatever they want as long as it is “legitimate interest”
It is worse because if you gpdr Facebook they only have to remove you from their data sets not their partners who scalp the Facebook datasets.
Yeah the whole idea that “the government isn’t allowed to collect/store that information” is immediately invalidated when they just buy it from private companies and get it from foreign countries spying on their own citizens through intelligence sharing agreements.
What do you think Elon Musk is doing with all the data they pulled out of all the agencies they infiltrated at the beginning of the presidency. It’s all being sold to these fascist corporations.
I always though discord was bad too, because all they clean is the username attached to your messages. So it can be very easy to know who sent them.
That’s not correct. Under the GDPR, the data that Facebook collects on you makes them the Data Controller. Any partners they share data with would be considered Data Processors. When you invoke your right to be forgotten under the GDPR, then both Data Controllers and Data Processors must delete your data. So if Facebook partners isn’t deleting your data after you filed a request to Facebook, then they are violating the GDPR.
That said Facebook is certainly violating the GDPR left and right. For example with their “Pay or Consent” model…
Alex Karp is a fascist.
Their clients feed them with data. Given that Peter Thiel is behind Palantir, you can also pretty much count on all the big social media companies cooperating with them.
They also just steal data from their clients. At least one US military branch is suing them over doing exactly that during one of their contracts.
One prominent example in Australia is via one of the two biggest nationwide supermarket chains, Coles: …com.au/…/coles-to-run-palantir-analytics-suite-a…
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I mean you shouldn’t work for them to begin with for a thousand moral reasons.
That’s what confuses me. How do you have enough moral character to quit over the CEO’s support of Israel but you’re totally fine with the core business model of surveillance state services.
Mass surveillance is bad, but I’m not sure there’s a crime worse than genocide.
he looks like if adam friedland was evil
He looks like an anthropomorphic piece of shit.
Honestly…fuck you if you work here anyway.
The short answer is basically everywhere they can find data.
But sometimes the government even wants to give them all the data they have on every citizen in their country, including medical history, financial information, and much much more. So the police can “Minority Report” terrorism before it happens
Bro looks like the last Q-tip in the box
His hair looks like my un trimmed pubes.
They don’t. They sell tools to governments and companies, that the clients use with their own data, that they already have. Palantir doesn’t do the spying or data harvesting, and they don’t have any data of their own, they develop and sell tools that clients use with whatever data the clients have.
They make the spy tools, they are not doing the spying.
I used to run in consulting circles, long enough time around execs and you start to see just how well the good ol boy clubs, and know-a-guy chains can make business deals between firms. Once you get the ball rolling on a project as a large enough entity, it doesn’t take much to consult the digital equivalent of their rolodex to find vendor upon vendor for this part, this data broker, etc.
Cheaper in bulk too.