Facebook is forcing new users to use facial recognition
from Zeon@lemmy.world to privacy@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 03:16
https://lemmy.world/post/41830354

I only want to use it for facebook marketplace, but jeez i didnt know they were taking it this far with this crap…

#privacy

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Zeon@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 03:20 next collapse

Well, just uploaded a photo of someone else now it says this…

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Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 03:43 collapse

That means Facebook already knows what you look like. Otherwise they couldn’t have known you submitted the wrong photo.

gustofwind@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 04:16 collapse

Or it knows who the other person is

adarza@lemmy.ca on 19 Jan 04:42 collapse

both. and all your friends and ‘friends’, too.

lemmylump@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 03:21 next collapse

Why use Facebook at all.

takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 03:49 next collapse

It is addiction just like any other. I felt like I can’t quit it, I feel like I will lose connection with the friends and family that is still using it. That it keeps me informed and other BS.

After deleting it on 2nd try (after navigating the maze to delete, they gave 30 days to change mind, hoping I won’t be able to resist and will log in. And of course I couldn’t resist the first time and logged back in) I realized that I haven’t lost anything of value and the people that I still matter I have other ways to contact.

It was just an illusion.

Edit: fixed

atrielienz@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 04:41 next collapse

Text to speech?

takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 07:19 collapse

Swipe keyboard.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 14:29 next collapse

I see less from old loved ones by not having it, but that’s ok, it makes catching up an activity. It’s fun to share the exciting things of the past year or two with my family and friends when I see them.

swelter_spark@reddthat.com on 20 Jan 22:23 collapse

Same. When I stopped using it, little changed, except I had a lot more free time and peace.

gustofwind@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 04:09 next collapse

Marketplace can be good for local deals and I can’t fault anyone for taking advantage of that

fizzle@quokk.au on 19 Jan 04:35 collapse

Yeah I use it extensively for this.

If it asked me to verify and I couldn’t use someone else’s face it would be a tough decision.

roundup5381@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 05:35 next collapse

how are you guys curving their invasive dark patterns? They are dead set on forcing you into their bullshit to use marketplace.

fizzle@quokk.au on 19 Jan 08:36 collapse

No idea. Never been asked for any verification.

hector@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 11:46 collapse

You will if they don’t face any competition. I haven’t either yet, but everyone will, because they are maximizing revenue.

defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 08:15 next collapse

One of the only good uses of Gen AI.

That being said, it’s best to avoid any Big Tech products altogether if at all possible, even if Marketplace is incredibly purvasive.

fizzle@quokk.au on 19 Jan 08:43 collapse

That’s a generalisation.

We have twins, 2 years old.

With kids there’s loads of “stuff” that just makes the whole ordeal a lot more livable. Being able to buy all that stuff on facebook and re-sell for the same price has saved us a heap of money. Like thousands.

It’s easy to say “oh well you should use whatever alternative platform”, but honestly there’s just no other ready market for this stuff.

AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 08:32 next collapse

Surprisingly, Craigslist is rather active in my area. It’s still not as active as marketplace, but it makes it possible to get by without having an FB account.

fizzle@quokk.au on 19 Jan 08:39 collapse

It’s just not really a thing here in Australia. I just checked and in my state (about 2 million people) there’s a dozen ads or so across all categories.

A distant second to facebook marketplace is gumtree. I just had a look to see how popular that is and their site just seems to be down. Shits fucked really.

FippleStone@aussie.zone on 21 Jan 03:13 collapse

I use Gumtree instead of marketplace pretty regularly and I’ve not had an issue. In fact, I’ve found the quality of the interactions to be much higher, far fewer time wasters.

fizzle@quokk.au on 21 Jan 05:05 collapse

Yeah.

I think gumtree is better for different types of items.

My sister is a dog breeder and lists exclusively on gumtree to avoid the idiots on facebook.

The vast majority of stuff bought and sold from our household is low value toddler gear. fb marketplace is awash with that stuff and when you list something for the right price it’s gone by the end of the day. It’s true that there’s some time wasters but you get better at kinda managing the great unwashed.

My partner doesn’t care about the privacy issues and will never delete her fb account so maybe for the time being I can just use her account.

In 12 months or so we will be well past the worst of the “toddler gear” and I’ll be happy to leave fb behind for good.

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:01 collapse

Remember that folks are using ‘Garry’s Mod’ to circumvent UK’s facial recognition requirement.

superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 04:13 next collapse

Marketplace is the one and only reason I havent deleted my account. It sucks but it is by far the best way to buy and sell.

Anon518@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 04:17 next collapse

How does it compare to nextdoor & craigslist?

superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 04:20 next collapse

In my area Craigslist is actually better for selling vehicles or say boats, but thats about it. Nobody uses nextdoor around here, so you dont get much traffic.

hector@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 11:49 collapse

Craigslist is better for finding apartments and roommates as well. Also finding handymen or off the books workers of any type.

Marketplace is good for used tools, selling stuff, buying stuff.

Nextdoor is a cesspool, populated by paranoids that find each other and reinforce their delusions, calling the police on “strangers,” fielding grand conspiracies, and otherwise talking trash without cause.

Anon518@sh.itjust.works on 20 Jan 02:34 collapse

Perhaps it depends on the quality of moderation for your Nextdoor area. But those issues you listed are separate from the buying/selling part of it anyway. I’ve generally found Nextdoor & Craigslist to be sufficient.

hector@lemmy.today on 20 Jan 16:12 collapse

Maybe I will give it a try again and forget the crazies guarding against roving antifa death squads in their neighborhoods. Kind of hard for me to get past that though.

halcyoncmdr@piefed.social on 19 Jan 04:35 collapse

I tried to find something on marketplace a month ago. Dozens of posts because it’s a super common item, all posts were a week or less old. None were legitimate. Every one was a scam, responses all leading to bullshit websites to buy, or users that never responded.

Has to get the item on Ebay instead because apparently they actually have basic scam prevention systems in place while Facebook apparently doesn’t have shit.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 19 Jan 15:25 collapse

eBay is horrific for actually finding something. The fact that you can’t search for something inside a category blows my mind. And then no one completes the forms correctly so even if you add filters you still get shown a bunch of shit that doesn’t fit. Then the sorting appears to be just random. Good luck finding anything locally that way, because then eBay doesn’t get paid. Better pony up the extra money for shipping.

I use Craigslist with some success.

manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 05:24 next collapse

I deleted my facebook account in 2022 and have essentially not been contacted by friends since, so there’s that

:(

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lemmylump@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 06:30 next collapse

Have you tried to contact them outside of FB?

Perhaps you’re just not friends.

mika_mika@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 07:53 collapse

I moved to a new town recently. People don’t give out their phone numbers to connect. They give out their FB and Instagram accounts. Not having either is perceived as weird.

Hope this helps.

lemmylump@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 09:28 collapse

You’re in a fucked up town., and that attachment to the platform is more fucked up.

gladflag@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 09:31 next collapse

That doesn’t help. Also when’s the last time you moved your life?

mika_mika@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 14:45 collapse

I already said I recently moved. I’ve moved 3 times in the past 10 years and it’s all the same. Maybe people used Snapchat or Instagram more often than Facebook when I was younger but it’s all the same privacy invasive shit.

The majority tolerate it, that’s why Meta is so successful as a company.

Hope this helps.

edible_funk@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 14:07 next collapse

Unfortunately that’s like most people outside.

mika_mika@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 14:41 collapse

Facebook is something most people have and use to connect because most people don’t care about the privacy invasions or manipulative algorithms. It’s a fucked up world, not a fucked up town.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 19 Jan 15:20 collapse

It’s all fucked up but that’s just reality.

roserose56@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 12:03 collapse

Same happen to me and I realized that where not my friends! The question someone asked me then, was how many of them would remember your birthday?
Phone numbers + messaging apps is good way to stay connected.

1984@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 13:29 collapse

To me, I dont care if my friends remember my birthday. I care if they are genuine friends and I have good conversations and laughs around them.

Someone remembering your birthday is just them putting a reminder in the calendar. Doesnt mean much, not to me at least.

So you have an actual human connection to these people? Friends could have a laugh over forgetting someones birthday, because its built on a real connection that doesnt go away over missing the small things.

SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 07:57 next collapse

Through no fault of my own, the people I talk to (family) are tied to the FB ecosystem…and they are very resilient as to leaving it.

2026 will have to be the year of “please, for the love of all that is holy, can we switch to Signal”

placebo@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 08:23 next collapse

I only want to use it for facebook marketplace

anomnom@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 12:27 next collapse

Marketplace has killed most other local trading stuff sites. Craigslist is still limping along, but has far less available at higher prices than FBMP. I’m happy to hear of viable alternatives, especially for used vehicles, tools and equipment. I’ve saved a lot of money on my business and hobbies that way, but would leave in a heartbeat if there’s a real competitor.

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:11 next collapse

Aside from the already-mentioned marketplace, social networks like FB are fit well for localized giveaways. Where I am, the local analog of FB has groups where bakeries and cafes give out food remaining at the end of the day.

One population that this particularly pertains to are homeless people. Some folks get surprised when a homeless person has a smartphone, but it’s a means for finding help and resources.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:25 collapse

local analog of FB

That sounds lovely!

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:30 collapse

I mean a platform that’s used in my country. It’s still centralized, and the practices are not much better, probably only because they haven’t yet gotten around to all the same shady shit.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:36 collapse

Eh at least they presumably pay attention, moderate it, and tailor it to your country.

One of my issues with FB is that it mind as well be run from Alpha Centauri. There’s nothing “human” or local about, its a gaping maw mixed with tons of other predatory service.

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 18:06 collapse

My elderly father knows how to use it and posts nature photos all the time.

RotatingParts@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 03:24 next collapse

I am sure the plan is to eventually roll this out to everyone.

PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 03:34 next collapse

I mean, it’s right in the name, took them long enough to demand your face for their book.

mudkip@lemdro.id on 19 Jan 03:42 next collapse

Here’s a word of advice: do not use that sack of shit company for anything. Always use decentralized alternatives wherever possible

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 04:13 next collapse

I signed up for friendica, after 2 decades of having never used facebook.

It’s blank, and I don’t know what I’m supposed to do.

I can’t comment on what the facebook experience is, but I imagine they don’t just dump you onto a blank white page, with zero explaination.

Note that I am NOT defending or endorsing facebook. I’m just saying the decentralized services have work to do before they can fully be reccomended.

I also recently signed up for pixelfed. It took 3 days to login the first time. And I’m still not sure what the point of collections is. But I did upload 4 pictures.

KoloradoKoolAid75@lemmygrad.ml on 19 Jan 08:16 next collapse

When the entire country (not USA or EU) uses Instagram and WhatsApp for communication, your hand is forced to use it too.

Scrollone@feddit.it on 19 Jan 08:31 collapse

It’s called network effect and it’s the reason why most people are forced to use WhatsApp or Facebook

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:13 collapse

What is the decentralized alternative where all the people in my city are?

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca on 19 Jan 03:56 next collapse

Have been for a while. Decided to try to make a fake Facebook account mid-laat year to use marketplace since it’s the dominant platform in my area. As soon as I saw this I just closed the browser tab.

1D10@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 06:30 collapse

I had an account but deleted it years ago, during covid my kids school put a lot of information on their Facebook account so I tried making a new account. Facebook told me there wasn’t enough proof I was real, so I made a fake account with a super common name, they were fine with that. So now I have a Facebook account that I occasionally use to repost sports articles,I have zero interest in sports but my guy seems to like them.

hector@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 11:59 collapse

Other me wants his own social media accounts as well.

Did you sign up for the failed you and generic other you accounts from the same electronic device, the same IP? They should be able to tell it’s the same person that is pretty weird.

1D10@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 14:17 collapse

Honestly I don’t remember, but I don’t really use anything else to fill out forms so I probably used my pc I did make him a Google account before setting up his Facebook, he does have a picture of himself but it was made by ai I just used his info from Facebook as the prompt.

thenextguy@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 04:11 next collapse

Facebook has new users?

whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 11:08 collapse

the facial pictures

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mercano@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 04:20 next collapse

It’d be a shame if someone use AI to generate an image to upload. You’d just be feeding AI data into AI, and that could ruin what Facebook’s trying to do.

underisk@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 06:03 next collapse

a lot of the big names in image generation fingerprint the images they output to make them easy to filter out of training data. theres a possibility they could detect this fairly easily.

idiomaddict@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 07:35 collapse

Is that the sort of thing that would survive screenshotting and messing with the color balance?

underisk@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 07:52 next collapse

I’m not familiar with the exact techniques used but I am aware that there are ways of fingerprinting images that would survive such transformations.

partofthevoice@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 17:02 collapse

Typically, I think that requires the photo to be modified for the purpose of identifying it later. I don’t think any old photo can be retrofitted with such a capability posthoc.

Scrollone@feddit.it on 19 Jan 08:33 collapse

Or even taking a picture of the screen using a phone

hector@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 12:01 collapse

Or just upload a picture of the unabomber.

JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org on 19 Jan 04:38 next collapse

Perhaps there are local classifieds or marketplaces you could use? For example, one of the local news services in my area runs one that’s well known and active.

jqubed@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 04:46 next collapse

Were you using a VPN when you signed up?

Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world on 19 Jan 08:51 collapse

It seems to just do this now. I tried to make a marketplace account and it demanded a video selfie. Needless to say that didn’t happen

phpinjected@lemmy.sdf.org on 19 Jan 04:48 next collapse

What’s next, mandatory DNA swabs for personalized ad experience?

New flash: if you are not paying for the product, you’re the product.

sp3ctre@feddit.org on 19 Jan 12:16 collapse

Probably…people love to be the product!

roundup5381@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 05:33 next collapse

I really need a car and to sell some shit I’m not using for money, that site is so hostile I said fuck it, facebook market place isn’t worth it. whose got a worth while alternative?

DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 05:52 next collapse

Check local alternatives. I use Bazos (though it’s only has support for Slovakia, Czechia, Poland and for Austria)

hector@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 11:51 next collapse

Craigslist still has people on it, if you learn how to filter out the scammers.

CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 12:57 collapse

In the UK, auto-trader is used to sell used cars. I guess eBay or Gumtree (if it still exists) to sell stuff?

PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 06:28 next collapse

It’s been like that for quite a while. I remember deleting all big-tech accounts in 2019, and shortly after, Facebook started requiring login for full public page access. Therefore I created a burner account using a ‘this person does not exist’ picture, which provided me short-lived access after manual review. For account recovery, I was required to supply additional selfies (or even video-selfies?), but at that point I gave up.

dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.sdf.org on 19 Jan 07:12 next collapse

THIS!

I tried this to get an account. This was back in 2021. My account was deleted immediately. Probably a mixture of name and face. Maybe. But F that.

PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 16:34 collapse

Yeah, I think they employ a pretty sophisticated bot detection algorithm. I vaguely remember there being this ‘make 5 friends’ objective, or something along those lines, which I had no intention of fulfilling. If a new account, having triggered the manual reviewing process, doesn’t adhere to common usage patterns, simply have them supply additional information. Any collateral damage simply means additional data, to be appended to Facebook’s self-profiling platform… I mean, what else would one expect when Facebook’s first outside investor was Palentir’s Peter Thiel?

hector@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 11:40 collapse

One wit responded to such requests for ID by sending in a picture of an id with pharoh ramsey’s mummy’s picture, birthdate thousands bc.

I never agreed to give them my personal information. My emails forced me to, locking me out of accounts I needed to access.

I now found alternative email that doesn’t need a phone number or linked other email. I am quitting every site that tried to force me to link my phone number, real name, likeness, id, address, anything like that, without a valid reason.

Amazon just demanded I verify my account again, same ip, same account I’ve used for years. Verifying under the email I abandoned for forcing my phone verification periodically, that would lock me out of my accounts if I lost my phone or it’s service. Trying to make good on my threats to quit them too.

PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 17:05 collapse

My emails forced me to, locking me out of accounts I needed to access.

Microsoft had me fill this form, to “prove” I was the rightful owner of the account, after some suspicious login-attempts from an African country. The form included fields like: name (I don’t think I supplied at creation, or a false one), other email addresses, previous passwords (which potentially yield completely unrelated passwords), etc.; only for the application to be rejected and locking me out of my primary email for a full month. After that outright violation, I immediately switched to Disroot, and haven’t had any of said problems ever since. I backup all its contents locally using Thunderbird, and delete the origins from the server afterwards.

Many platforms have this messed up dark pattern, of revoking one’s access to a real-world dependencies, unless giving in to the service’s demands. Enforcement of 2FA is another one of those “excuses” for this type of misbehavior, and so is bot-detection.

W3dd1e@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 07:21 next collapse

I have mixed feelings. Setting aside that Meta is a trash company, I wish no one used it, but unfortunately, it has replaced Craigslist in the US.

I see A LOT of fake accounts on facebook. I’ve seen people I know get all their photos stolen and used to scam men online. I’ve seen random clones of other accounts for people I know slinging crypto scams.

Facebook needs to do something about that. There are too many media illiterate people on Facebook to do nothing.

That said, I’d rather this not be the way they handled it.

cosmicrookie@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 08:10 next collapse

You describe a lot of terrible experience but also explain that it is a necessity because it has replaced Craigslist.

I’d assume one can manage without an online marketplace when given conditions like these?

I too miss the Facebook marketplace but I wouldn’t give in to all this crap just to have access to it

nocteb@feddit.org on 19 Jan 11:03 next collapse

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baggachipz@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 15:24 collapse

Facebook is acutely aware of the scams and actively encourages it.

Euphoma@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 08:37 next collapse

Last time I used facebook they required me to send in a legal ID after a couple months of being registered, which locked me out of my oculus quest 2 headset back when they required facebook accounts and weren’t called meta.

1984@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 13:25 collapse

“they required you”

Have you never thought that you can actually NOT do these things?

I mean, sure, maybe you had a good reason and you felt it was fine. But I wonder how many people just do what the screen tells them without realizing they can actually say no and be ok with the consequences.

Euphoma@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 17:14 collapse

Well I didn’t send it in. I just got oculus support to separate my facebook account from my oculus account, which at the time new standalone oculus accounts were not able to be created. So I found the only loop hole to make a new standalone oculus account.

This account was eventually migrated to the meta account system and still works while my facebook account still doesn’t work.

NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social on 19 Jan 09:16 next collapse

Upload verification video of drinking verification can

SystemQ@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 15:26 collapse

Doritos dew it right!

redti@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 09:49 next collapse

Is there still real people there? I thought Facebook was a bankrupt platform filled bot profile keeping the chaos an revenue on?

JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz on 19 Jan 10:31 collapse

Yes, But the marketplace is actually useful.

DoctimusLime@lemmygrad.ml on 19 Jan 11:14 next collapse

All I see on Facebook is my family slowly being radicalised into nazi beliefs, fck Zuckerberg and fck big tech!

hector@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 11:32 next collapse

I only use for marketplace as well. I’ve never submitted a picture of myself either, about the only person remaining in the country it appears. I felt weird about it for a while after absolutely everyone else did, now I feel vindicated.

The day they demand facial recognition is the day I quit using it, losing access to used goods be damned.

roserose56@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 11:55 next collapse

Delete Facebook and problem solved. Here, where I live, we have websites for marketplace and website for concerts.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 12:31 next collapse

Just don’t use Fakebook

CommieKhinkali@lemmygrad.ml on 19 Jan 13:28 collapse

tbf some developing countries still use facebook daily, if youre from the west its easy to say to just log out and delete your account, but if youre from one of those countries its just hard to cut that out you know. but yeah fuck facebook

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 18:15 collapse

I live in Turkey and the only people using Facebook here are really old boomers. Everyone else uses Tiktok.

CommieKhinkali@lemmygrad.ml on 20 Jan 21:44 collapse

Well i live in georgia and everyone, including the gen z, use fb. But yeah it depends on the country. If i had it my way i would delete every social media account that i have but idk feels like a very big move and i want people to easily contact me without them downloading signal or something similar they dont use.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 12:38 next collapse

Use the face of Zuckerberg

Feedback17@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 13:13 next collapse

As a sane person I never joined Facebook until recently. At least I tried to. Got rejected for no reason- it said I violated their authenticity requirements or some bullshit. Nonsense. I looked it up and it’s common - if they can’t farm enough data off you to sell they don’t want you. Couldn’t care less, but Zuckerberg is a human cancer.

chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net on 19 Jan 17:39 collapse

lol ‘Sane’ people wait to see the damage wrought by this dogshit then wait three years for more of it and THEN try to join. Your sane and my sane are different sanes. Best of luck, citizen!

Feedback17@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 13:17 next collapse

Asswipe Zuckerberg treats people like bots and bots like kings. Screw him.

brachiosaurus@mander.xyz on 19 Jan 13:23 next collapse

Don’t use this shit

1984@lemmy.today on 19 Jan 13:23 next collapse

Are they the police?

Would never upload picture to American big tech service and im surprised people think thats something they agree to. I guess the addiction is too strong, to these shitty services.

selokichtli@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 17:12 collapse

In my country, biometrics are now prevalent. I had a very hard time giving my face to my bank, but the government is on board with this because, they say, we have to combat money laundry. They are trying to tie EVERYTHING to our identities: biometrics, mobile phone number, official documents, bank accounts, they are all tightly tied already.

So, people feel like their biometrics are already out there, since they don’t grasp the concept of attack surface. Until now, we need to give our biometrics to vote, to pay taxes, to get a passport, to get a drivers license (in some places), and to get a serious bank account. The only way we can deny biometrics is by not needing any of those services (very poor, and very rich people that don’t like to travel the world). Under these circumstances, most people just give away their biometrics to anyone that asks, it’s a given for them.

notso@feddit.org on 19 Jan 14:37 next collapse

No problemo, Zuck.

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quick_snail@feddit.nl on 19 Jan 14:49 next collapse

Link to article?

Weydemeyer@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 15:38 next collapse

People who are saying to just delete Facebook or don’t use it aren’t wrong of course (I say that myself, to be clear I hate FB); but as someone who tries to buy and sell things secondhand (I see it as being environmentally responsible), this is largely becoming impossible to do locally without Facebook Marketplace. I honestly have some grudging respect for Facebook’s ability to survive just when you think they might start to become irrelevant. Things were headed that way for them, then they bought Instagram. And then the last couple years, it was sort of common knowledge that the only people who use it anymore are old folks and Nazis… and then FB Marketplace kills Craigslist and becomes the only app people use for local buying/selling.

Idk maybe there’s some opportunity here for some local buy/sell federated service?

treeofnik@discuss.online on 19 Jan 15:43 next collapse

codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt is popular in some places. Maybe popular is a strong word. The problem is getting critical mass.

lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org on 19 Jan 16:49 collapse

As with everything else incl. Facebook, the solution to getting critical mass is to use it.

DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:51 next collapse

If buying shit at Goodwill and selling it online is how you choose to make your living, then I suppose you’re “stuck” with FB.

But, if you are making a living at it, or significantly supplementing your income, then your privacy is the cost of doing business. At least you are profiting something from the deal.

sakuraba@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 00:24 collapse

If buying shit at Goodwill and selling it online is how you choose to make your living

what made you come to that idea? they didn’t say they did it for profit but if you are broke (like me) or environmentally conscious you would try to buy things second hand when needed and sell whatever you don’t need anymore (because the last time I checked everyone needs to pay bills)

they have a point, facebook is the website mostly used in my country where people buy and sell second hand and it still is my biggest regret after deleting my account

selokichtli@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 16:57 next collapse

Yeah, they are like cockroaches. An alternative to marketplace and online stores is sorely needed, even for good old exchange of things.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 13:18 collapse

No need of an Fakebook account that it can track you, if your family and friends have an account with your data, mail and phone in their agenda. With this also Zuckerbot know it. Apart of all (pixel)tracking API in all websites with an FB link. Because of this, I’ve blocked all FB services in Portmaster, I can’t even access it, but with it, I’m not longer exist for FB.

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brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:04 next collapse

Use a Google Voice phone number, and an AI generated photo/video.

You can even use augmentations to create different photos/videos of the same fake person. Or create an “altered” version of yourself close enough to match whatever Facebook has.

…Hopefully.

I’m in the same predicament. There’s always eBay, but they take a fat cut on top of whatever is paid for shipping.

mas@jlai.lu on 19 Jan 16:38 next collapse

It’s been several years already.

DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 16:54 next collapse

I don’t even use facial unlock on my phone. I enter the pin every time.

Unfortunately, to access the Social Security site, I was required to send a picture of my face and driver’s license. So, I suppose Trump will sell that to whoever want’s to buy it now.

queueBenSis@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 20:35 collapse

if you’re using an iphone, the avoidance is just your own inconvenience. face id on iphone all happens locally, on a dedicated security chip in your phone. id be much more concerned with having any pictures of myself on google photos

nao@sh.itjust.works on 20 Jan 23:35 collapse

at least that’s what they say it does

chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net on 19 Jan 17:34 next collapse

Good things this won’t affect anyone with more than a single functioning brain synapse.

dan1101@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 18:19 next collapse

They may get a pic, but they won’t get my pic.

sakuraba@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 21:58 collapse

they may get a dickpic

Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 22:11 collapse

“Sorry, you appear not to be old enough to use the site”

Lol

procapra@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 18:35 next collapse

Facebook is what free’d me of having to interact with my local DSA /hj

Local DSA posts everything on facebook, I don’t have facebook and won’t post my face onto there to make it happen.

I email them but they just tell me check the facebook

I try to join the discord but they want to see me at events first, which I can’t find, because they are posted on the facebook and I can only scroll down 3 posts before I get asked to login.

I give them my number and my signal but they don’t reach out.

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wickedrando@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 21:05 collapse

Good thing for you, that’s terrible OpSec.

someone@lemmy.today on 20 Jan 02:02 collapse

Most of the public’s awareness of technology is so naive as to basically stick their heads in the sand because they want the convenience and ease and are willing to overlook evil. So they don’t care about supply chain evils, corruption that is embedded into the system, so they can scroll TikTok and watch netflix on their offtime, while using Klarma to pay the groceries. Real organization against organizers in which people aren’t being data mined would require some technological awareness. The masses just don’t have it.

They join political groups on Facebook then get data mined and classified into oblivion until a computer can process their views and give them a discounted ad-supported Netflix so they are less politically upset.

This is our world.

Zerush@lemmy.ml on 19 Jan 19:03 next collapse

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BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 20:00 next collapse

Facebook has new users?? In 2026??

ohlaph@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 02:33 collapse

Right? I ditched them almost a decade ago.

macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world on 21 Jan 00:49 collapse

Never used it even when it came out and I was in college.

matlag@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jan 20:19 next collapse

I see a lot of people saying “just don’t use it”. If it was that easy…

In some places, FB has took the lion share of the 2nd hand online selling. Historical platforms are in agony and your chance of finding a buyer/seller dramatically reduce if you avoid FB maretplace.
In some places, FB is so common that schools, activities etc. are organized on FB. You don’t have an account, no worry: you’ll be the lone idiot to drop your kid at school the day it’s closed because of a snow storm.
In some places, FB is the personal life blogging platform. So if you want to know about old friends you’ve left behind as you were relocating to different countries, you’re going to miss on some quite important events (death in the family, etc.) as that’s where they let people know.
In some places, if you want to build a network, that’s where “everyone” is. You like trekking and want to find a group for that? They’re all on FB. You want to play board games? Groups are all on FB.

The list goes on and on.

NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 23:03 next collapse

Yeah. Don’t care. Won’t use it. It’s that easy.

Same for Instagram. Not doing something is easy.

someone@lemmy.today on 20 Jan 01:57 next collapse

Right, when you apply for jobs, they want socials and indeeds and this and that, when you meet people they want to add you on Facebook. These are “private” companies, but because they are natural monopolies, they essentially become quasi-required parts of being able to function normally within society.

The right way to deal with this is to regulate the fuck out of the natural monopolies, but rich elitists who own the government by proxy and big surveillance tech have this symbiotic relationship where big tech surveils and secretly data mines the public (to blacklist and exclude potential risks to the system and monitor those people) and so it won’t happen.

Republicans, hurt most by the blacklisting initially, were most likely to regulate big tech, ironically, but now money and ass-kissing of Republican leaders has changed the game and no one will fucking regulate them. All politicians who allow this to happen are either weak or whores, being paid to just perform a role of politician.

I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 14:09 next collapse

I’ve job hopped a lot, and literally no company has ever asked for my social media besides indeed, which I keep sterile clean. Actually, they’ve never even specifically asked for that either, that’s just where I’ve applied through.

Our industries may differ though.

macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world on 21 Jan 00:54 collapse

All you do is tell them you do not have an account. I have told hundreds of people this and guess what? I work and have friends and am still living. Can you believe it?

macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world on 21 Jan 00:53 collapse

Bullshit. I have never used facebook and I have never had an issue where I needed to.

If you are selling second hand, use a different platform. No one is making you use marketplace.

There are online portals, calendars, and even emails that notify parents of students and events.

You can call you friends and find out how they are doing. You can also email to keep in touch. Stop posting everything about yourself and the internet and you should be telling your friends the same.

You are just making excuses as to why you need it in your life and I have never had to use it for anything since its inception.

matlag@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jan 17:07 collapse

That’s the new version of “it works on my computer” as an answer to people reporting bugs.

If you are selling second hand, use a different platform. No one is making you use marketplace.

You just lost access to 90–95% of buyers/sellers. How is it going?

There are online portals, calendars, and even emails that notify parents of students and events.

Great! All I need to do now is to convince the school to use them because beat me: I’m not in charge of their communication systems…

You can call you friends and find out how they are doing. You can also email to keep in touch

You must have misread. I do exactly that.

Stop posting everything about yourself and the internet and you should be telling your friends the same.

You must have misread: at no point did I write that I was posting anything. But I certainly don’t dictate my friends what they should and shouldn’t do.

You are just making excuses as to why you need it in your life and I have never had to use it for anything since its inception.

“It works on my computer.”

ErenOnizuka@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jan 20:30 next collapse

Happened to me on twitter. They wanted to open the front camera and look at my face and estimate my age.

I just went to thispersondoesnotexist.com on PC and showed twitter that image. They accepted it.

Draegur@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 22:55 collapse

One(1) ethical use for generative AI

nimeni133@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 20:38 next collapse

I wouldn’t know - quit using meta products years ago!

Draegur@lemmy.zip on 19 Jan 22:54 next collapse

Fuck Facebook. Anyway, i prefer social media that doesn’t doxx me

mvirts@lemmy.world on 19 Jan 23:54 next collapse

Unfortunately it forced all existing users to submit as well, but we already gave it a bunch of photos of ourselves before the beast had revealed itself

NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 00:12 next collapse

wdym? facebook automatically showed us it used facial recognition at least as far back as 2007 by asking us to click boxes on faces and subsequently asking us to label them… We really did all of the heavy lifting for them. -I got out while i could in ~2018

lightnsfw@reddthat.com on 20 Jan 14:45 collapse

I never got in, and I stopped letting people take pictures of me so they couldn’t put me on there either.

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 00:45 next collapse

No thanks, I’ll close my FB Marketplace account.

sakuraba@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 17:58 collapse

you and me brother, time to go IRL to the flea market

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Nanowith@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 01:34 collapse

Should’ve sent them a picture of someone else’s dick for maximum confusion.

sly_lemmy@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 13:37 collapse

I assume Zuck has a partner but I don’t care enough about gim to check. Gotta upload a totally legit ‘verification selfie’… an AI image of his partner with a dick. That’ll show him

los0220@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 01:21 next collapse

I wish I could just delete my account, but I still need it occasionally and everone in Poland is using messenger

Murdoc@sh.itjust.works on 20 Jan 05:24 collapse

I haven’t because I don’t know if there is even a point, since afaik they don’t actually delete anything, they just keep you from accessing it, and keep adding to it anything other people post about you.

los0220@lemmy.world on 23 Jan 10:12 collapse

It would be more like a statement

And sending them a GDPR notice would be such a nice feeling, hope they will get fined by EU again

someone@lemmy.today on 20 Jan 01:51 next collapse

This information goes right to the US government.

Anyone who doesn’t think Facebook is an arm of the US government is naive at best.

quips@slrpnk.net on 20 Jan 14:18 next collapse

Would you happen to have a source on this?

sakuraba@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 17:40 next collapse

honest question, why would you think there will be a source for secret spying activities?

quips@slrpnk.net on 21 Jan 16:31 collapse

Because responsibly making a claim requires a source

sakuraba@lemmy.ml on 21 Jan 18:52 collapse

no source will quench your thirst for officialism

agentant@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 22:10 collapse

The Edward Snowden leaks and PRISM

quips@slrpnk.net on 21 Jan 16:30 collapse

That is over a decade ago, hence an unreliable source on the state today.

agentant@lemmy.ml on 22 Jan 02:02 collapse

What, do you think they just stopped? They would have no reason to break their partnership so it’s reasonable to assume it’s still ongoing.

ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl on 21 Jan 01:37 next collapse

Wait until you head what they do with your drivers license/ passport / or id photo.

But seriously fuck Facebook I wouldn’t voluntarily give them anything.

Jolteon@lemmy.zip on 21 Jan 07:58 collapse

To be fair, it probably doesn’t just go to the US government.

Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 02:05 next collapse

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m3t00@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 03:27 next collapse

after years of getting timeouts and jail for minor cussing, the robots perma-banned me with no explanation, just a link to community standards. was pretty tired of the endless bot/slop/spam in most groups. keep that self-clicking robot swarm. family has my number.

fakasad68@lemmy.ml on 20 Jan 07:19 next collapse

I thought they’ve always been doing it, I never succeeded creating a facebook account because of it

E_coli42@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 09:47 next collapse

Weird. I’ve never had to do this. I also only use FB for marketplace

swankypantsu@lemmy.today on 20 Jan 09:49 next collapse

I just pull a recent #selfie post from Twitter and upload it with metadata stripped

Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de on 20 Jan 16:33 collapse

Doesn’t work. They ask you to use the camera and have you turn you head in different directions.

ftbd@feddit.org on 20 Jan 14:04 collapse

I didn’t think people still opened new user accounts on facebook

StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world on 20 Jan 14:17 next collapse

More people gently creep into dementia every day.

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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 21 Jan 03:14 next collapse

Facebook marketing across high schools and colleges is intense. And because it’s such a pivotal platform, you kinda need to get one and build up a - let’s call it a social credit score - just so you can endure admittance counselors and employers demanding to see your account as part of the screening process.

Sort of like getting a credit card as a teenager so you can prove you’re credit worthy enough for an apartment or car loan in your twenties. You just have to post generic mundane bullshit on the timeline and join generic mundane groups so people see you as “normal”.

ftbd@feddit.org on 21 Jan 12:58 collapse

Employers demand to see your facebook account? That sounds illegal.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 21 Jan 13:01 collapse

Absolutely nothing in the rules against it. “Being Offline” isn’t a protected class.

Jolteon@lemmy.zip on 21 Jan 07:58 collapse

Unfortunately, Facebook Marketplace is still a relatively popular Craigslist alt.