Do you consider this dystopian AF? (www)
from LtDan@lemmy.zip to privacy@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 10:53
https://lemmy.zip/post/61892839

The UK government is like: “submit ID first before you use iPhone”, like WTF? As apparently, they are considering on making that the default way to unlock a cellphone whilst spying on you (like they already are) keeping tabs on what apps you’re currently using, have downloaded or purchases made online.

Their Online Safety Act is stupid ever since it was enforced last year as that has done nothing except for making people bypass it entirely (like there’s cases of game characters used to circumvent age verification & facial scans) so I’ll assume the same will happen with this (fake ID’s) just to unlock iPhones.

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manuremy@sopuli.xyz on 03 Apr 10:59 next collapse

Yup, it sounds dystopian. I am preparing for this to hit my country too eventually and I’ll unplug then. No more internet, go to the library to get WIFI for online banking on the phone that is used only for that. It’s a decision to comply. DVDs, books, games I already own and have downloaded…

FireRetardant@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 11:48 collapse

For some of us it may be a difficult decision to not comply. Many of us need technology to continue our careers and make enough money to exist at our current standards. I need a phone with an active service connection and often need maps and to download user manuals on the fly for my job, and thats about as little reliance on phones and internet as jobs get these days.

manuremy@sopuli.xyz on 03 Apr 12:01 collapse

I think it will be difficult for everyone, me included. But it’s a decision still. Majority will comply without batting an eye. Only a few can truly unplug AND keep it unplugged, not just try it. I’m not sure I can manage it either. For example, some cities in my country have 100% mobile app based public transport, meaning that there is no way of buying or showing a ticket unless it’s the app. Not even website, the real app. (And if the app don’t work for some reason, boohoo, pay a fine for 80-100€.) The world is build on these phones and apps.

Even more weirdly, since I somewhat practice unplugging already, many people have straight on nasty reactions when I say that sorry, can’t scan that QR code or that I can’t check their Insta-whatever post on social media. So it’s not just the infrastructure but social norms too…

FireRetardant@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 12:14 collapse

I defintely get the social reliance and funny looks when you don’t want to use technology. I get the same looks for refusing to use dating apps. I have nothing against people who use them but the cycle isn’t something I’m interested in. I get discouraged chatting for a bit then getting ghosted. I get discouraged seeing dates get match notifications while i am on a date with them. And really fhe biggest thing for me, i vastly prefer meeting and getting to know people in person. Their accent, their body language, their sarcasm and humor, its best to experience that in person.

Plus the app doesn’t keep make money by finding you a good partner and in our capitalist hellscape I’d bet most of them factor that into tbeir algorithm. You match with good enough matches and frequently enough you think the app works but maybe the app guesses the match is just off enough that you’ll both be back in a few weeks more desperate than before and ready to buy superswipes or whatever.

manuremy@sopuli.xyz on 03 Apr 12:21 collapse

I absolutely agree with you on that! I used them, years ago… It’s just a game. People are no longer real human beings with feelings and all, it’s just points in the app. “Ghost that one, there will always be someone better.”

FireRetardant@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 12:25 collapse

The “what if i missed someone better” was a legitmate reason someone gave me for why they kept the using the app while starting to see me. Yea what a great way to launch a relationship.

manuremy@sopuli.xyz on 03 Apr 14:15 collapse

Wow, ouch, ew. Sorry to hear that, but probably good riddance.

Adl@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 11:32 next collapse

i consider (boringly) dystopian the fact that people are still using iphones

frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 11:59 next collapse

The UK government… a cellphone

WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social on 03 Apr 12:13 collapse

I don’t think that they’re British.

B0NK3RS@lazysoci.al on 03 Apr 12:29 next collapse

The UK government is like: “submit ID first before you use iPhone”, like WTF? As apparently, they are considering on making that the default way to unlock a cellphone whilst spying on you (like they already are) keeping tabs on what apps you’re currently using, have downloaded or purchases made online.

Source?

Honestly I’m torn on the whole issue but also at the same time I haven’t once submitted verification ID so nothing has changed for me. Hopefully it stays that way…

and people using Sam from Death Stranding for face ID is just hilarious :D

LtDan@lemmy.zip on 03 Apr 12:31 collapse

I think this is the closest thing as it’s more on making users having to submit ID on using “certain apps” after an iOS update, basically that.

null@lemmy.org on 03 Apr 16:38 next collapse

We’re in the first act of a shitty, new internet that’s fully captured and tracked.

AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 17:17 next collapse

It’s like the end of the wild west. Goodbye cowboy

davi@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 17:36 collapse

in some ways, it carries on in the spirit of what the internet used to be like in 1995, but by accident/need rather than intention.

back then, the internet was an even mixture of profit seeking companies trying to get your attention and sites that required minimal technical proficiency contained interests/works that the mainstream media pretended didn’t exist. over time, things like reddit appeared where it combined the two to get the mainstream hoards so overwhelming in number that the internet has become almost indiscernible to mainstream media.

now, as the mainstream internet enshittifies to protect the mainstream narrative; the people who seek reality over narratives now have to up their technical acumen to continue their access.

the internet is going back to their wild west days because the oligarchy is trying to exert control over it with liberal & conservative consent.

null@lemmy.org on 03 Apr 17:41 collapse

A comforting thought.

davi@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 18:00 collapse

it’s more than a thought; it’s familiarity in ways you’ve likely forgotten about if you were using the internet as an adult back in 1995 and is now the only way to escape the oligarchy manufactured narratives and capture like op describes.

back then, you can only find things using either word-of-mouth or independent search engines. the instances of the fediverse that have been isolated by the mainstream narrative loving masses (ie hexbear, lemmygrad, etc.) now serve the same word-of-mouth function and things like searxng are fulfilling the independent search engines that altavista, excite, lycos, etc. used to do.

FauxLiving@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 20:17 collapse

Bring back forum communities, imo

cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 20:27 next collapse

I just joined an old-school phpBB forum dedicated to a specific topic, and it is glorious.

FauxLiving@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 22:08 collapse

I’m a fan of a very large, and Awful, forum community. It’s older than MySpace and the community is… unique.

tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip on 04 Apr 00:53 collapse

Spending all your time on there instead of working must put you in a lowtax bracket

FauxLiving@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 01:00 collapse

I can afford to have stairs in my house at least

fathix@lemmy.zip on 04 Apr 01:41 collapse

Are you protected?

FauxLiving@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 02:33 collapse

Not with this many goons around.

davi@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Apr 23:48 collapse

is that not what lemmy is? lol

FauxLiving@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 00:22 collapse

It’s close-ish.

Forum posts are all in date order, if you reply to someone you do it by quoting them and adding your comment to the post. This ensures that everyone is having the same conversation and you’re reading everyone’s comments.

In Lemmy/Reddit there will be all kinds of side conversations because you can reply to an individual comment and that makes it’s own chain. This makes it difficult to read everyone’s comments.

The big thing is that there’s no karma system on forums, so you can’t be upvoted to the top or downvoted out of the conversation. Moderators may remove/edit offensive comments but otherwise everyone’s opinions are treated equally.

A big issue with the karma system is that in a big enough conversation, minority opinions are suppressed with downvotes and the most outrageous/clickbaity comments rise to the top. This really skews the overall conversation, people are incentivized to not deviate from the popular opinion lest they be voted out of the conversation and rewarded for making attention-seeking comments.

It is a reward system that promotes anti-social behaviors (ironically).

PierceTheBubble@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 17:21 next collapse

has done nothing except for making people bypass it entirely

Which seems to be by design, based on similarity, to approaches taken by other governments: shifting the blame to citizens (reasonably) circumventing the legislation (creating the typical infighting), and granting further excuses to further tighten government control. Legislation as such, can only be introduced under a false pretense, or few politicians dare to be in support of such works. If introduced to “protect the children”, you can gradually shape it to effectively fulfill your interest; instead of spoiling true intentions right away.

SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org on 03 Apr 22:27 next collapse

There was a comic, and a movie, talking about a controlling and repressive government... and that took place in UK. Very strange coincidence, Very strange indeed.

msage@programming.dev on 04 Apr 01:18 collapse

I think I remember remember something like that.

Teppa@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 00:40 collapse

Motorola is making a lineup on Graphene OS phones. While Pixel phones already support graphene OS via sideloading.