helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 15 Jul 2024 18:50
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What do you mean “caught”? Google Drive has always been a data farm.
GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
on 15 Jul 2024 19:07
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But it’s still probably illegal
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 15 Jul 2024 20:44
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Illegal how?
GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
on 15 Jul 2024 21:41
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Not allowed by the ToS and the privacy policy
wuphysics87@lemmy.ml
on 16 Jul 2024 00:05
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Wouldn’t it be though? No one reads ToS. Most people probably owe google their kidney, their first born child, and their soul. So far as I know, which is admittedly very little, there is nothing that says a company can’t read everything you write if you agree to let them.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net
on 15 Jul 2024 19:42
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Yes. Now its documented that Google is violating their terms of service. I’m sure their lawyers will point to the clause that says they can change the terms of service at any time without warning
drwho@beehaw.org
on 15 Jul 2024 18:50
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Surprising nobody.
hotpot8toe@lemmy.world
on 15 Jul 2024 19:38
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For the people who didn’t read the article. Read this TLDR:
When you open a Google Doc. A Gemini sidebar appears, so you can ask questions about the document. Here, it summarized a document without the user asking.
The article title makes it seem like they are using your files to train AI which no proof exists for that(yet)
Generative AI doesn’t get any training in use. The explosion in public AI offerings falls into three categories:
Saves the company labor by replacing support staff
Used to entice users by offering features competitors lack (or as catch-up after competitors have added it for this reason)
Because AI is the current hot thing that gets investors excited
To make a good model you need two things:
Clean data that is tagged in a way that allows you to grade model performance
Lots of it
User data might meet need 2, but it fails at need 1. Running random data through neural networks to make it more exploitable (more accurate interest extraction, etc) makes sense, but training on that data doesn’t.
This is clearly demonstrated by Google’s search AI, which learned lots of useful info from Reddit but also learned absurd lies with the same weight. Not just overtuned-for-confidence lies, straight up glue-the-cheese-on lies.
Sell commercial services such as customer support bots. They get customers thanks to the massive buzz their free services generated.
Milking investors, the real way to make money.
GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
on 15 Jul 2024 19:43
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At least the data is sent to Gemini servers. This alone can be illegal but I’m not sure. What I’m more sure about is that they do use the data to train the models.
Since it is Google Docs, the data is already on Google servers. But yeah, it doesn’t exactly instill confidence into the confidentiality of documents on Google Docs.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee
on 15 Jul 2024 19:56
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…Why would you post unencrypted personal information onto the cloud in the first place?
thefartographer@lemm.ee
on 15 Jul 2024 20:12
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!RemindMe in two hours to give my doctor my new SSN after my last one got stolen: 644-11-9217
There’s a certain level of due-diligence that you can use when you’re moving personal information around on the cloud. Hospitals have a legal obligation to keep your medical records secure; Google does not.
thefartographer@lemm.ee
on 15 Jul 2024 20:23
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Yes, I wanted to one-up your disbelief by pretending I use random text boxes to store personal information.
Maybe one of these days I’ll make a joke that’s funny instead of confusing…
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What do you mean “caught”? Google Drive has always been a data farm.
But it’s still probably illegal
Illegal how?
Not allowed by the ToS and the privacy policy
Wouldn’t it be though? No one reads ToS. Most people probably owe google their kidney, their first born child, and their soul. So far as I know, which is admittedly very little, there is nothing that says a company can’t read everything you write if you agree to let them.
Yes. Now its documented that Google is violating their terms of service. I’m sure their lawyers will point to the clause that says they can change the terms of service at any time without warning
Surprising nobody.
For the people who didn’t read the article. Read this TLDR: When you open a Google Doc. A Gemini sidebar appears, so you can ask questions about the document. Here, it summarized a document without the user asking.
The article title makes it seem like they are using your files to train AI which no proof exists for that(yet)
Thank you for the service!
I see your point re training, but aint the entire point why they want peasants using their models is to train them more?
Generative AI doesn’t get any training in use. The explosion in public AI offerings falls into three categories:
To make a good model you need two things:
User data might meet need 2, but it fails at need 1. Running random data through neural networks to make it more exploitable (more accurate interest extraction, etc) makes sense, but training on that data doesn’t.
This is clearly demonstrated by Google’s search AI, which learned lots of useful info from Reddit but also learned absurd lies with the same weight. Not just overtuned-for-confidence lies, straight up glue-the-cheese-on lies.
Thank you for explaining this.
Ok so what is ChatGPT angle here providing this services for "free"
What do they get out of it? or is this just a google play to get you in the door, then data mine?
Probably market dominance
They have two avenues to make money:
At least the data is sent to Gemini servers. This alone can be illegal but I’m not sure. What I’m more sure about is that they do use the data to train the models.
Since it is Google Docs, the data is already on Google servers. But yeah, it doesn’t exactly instill confidence into the confidentiality of documents on Google Docs.
…Why would you post unencrypted personal information onto the cloud in the first place?
!RemindMe in two hours to give my doctor my new SSN after my last one got stolen: 644-11-9217
There’s a certain level of due-diligence that you can use when you’re moving personal information around on the cloud. Hospitals have a legal obligation to keep your medical records secure; Google does not.
Yes, I wanted to one-up your disbelief by pretending I use random text boxes to store personal information.
Maybe one of these days I’ll make a joke that’s funny instead of confusing…
If it makes you feel better, I’m mildly autistic, so I tend to see things a bit more literally than most.
This whole exchange made me feel better. Thank you for being you
*shocked pikachu*
Oh silly mistake.
Laughing all the way to the bank.
this reminded me of the Google takeout I requested last week so I could switch to self hosting 👍
Google told me they really care about my privacy, tho.
“Caught”
This is why anything you upload to the cloud should be encrypted. Or just, yenno, don’t use the cloud