FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website
on 21 Jul 10:43
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They seem to be on the inertia as a strategy train. Most users won’t have heard about this so they’re not in danger of losing them. A few who have won’t abandon ship because it’s a pain. And the rest they seem to tolerate losing. That’s unfortunate, say I who isn’t even their customer. I would have thought they do more but maybe another two weeks of ended subscriptions can lead them to reason and get rid of Daniel.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Jul 11:01
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What is a good alternative to Mullvad? My subscription just ended yesterday.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 11:35
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They had a similiar episode as far as I remember, don’t have a link right now tho
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 11:42
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They praised a single Trump policy. Which isn’t nearly the same as donating to the Nazi party.
Meruten@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Jul 11:36
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Windscribe
mike_wooskey@lemmy.thewooskeys.com
on 21 Jul 11:45
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The Hated One has a video explaining his take on what Mullvad has done, and he gives 2 good alternatives to Mullvad. He also has other videos comparing VPN services in terms of privacy. He’s very thorough.
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Jul 12:50
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Love that guy, but that’s the only source I have which at least feels objective, but one source, especially a YouTube video, isn’t enough. Someone got like scientific/investigative data on this?
simpolomeo@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 12:17
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iVPN
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website
on 21 Jul 12:25
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If you want something European, I’d throw AirVPN in the mix. I went there and never to Mullvad. And now I’m glad I didn’t and at the same time I’m looking forward to hearing inevitably what corpses my current provider has in the cupboard.
I dislike Proton, which I quit after the CEO praised 47 on his big tech regulation and before they handed the email account of some environmental activist over to the authorities, in France IIRC. They want to be your replacement for Google and keep pushing more services at obscure subscription levels at you. In terms of VPN, they were good though.
But the handing over data from a email account is not a choice for them its a legal requirement.
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 19:06
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There isn’t one with feature or operations parity and a similar history of success.
If you are actually concerned for your safety or legal status or something then I wouldn’t switch from them.
If you’re trying to accomplish something else there are good alternatives. Air for example is a great piracy vpn but I wouldn’t trust it for my own safety.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 10:54
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I like mullvad and will continue to use them, but this was a terrible response. ÖrP is such a strange party. It’s nationalistic, but also Marxist, somehow. I haven’t read all their policies, but I dislike their immigration policy, and the way they act generally. They’re loud and provocational.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 11:34
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National Socialism you say?
mumblerfish@lemmy.world
on 21 Jul 12:05
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The “Marxist” bit for ÖrP is like “Marx said that under capitalism wokers are alienatied cogs in a machine therefore we should have full control over the reproduction of none pure swedes, through mandatory birth control, so thay we can churn out cogs to the swedish industrial machine, just like Marx said”. That is the type of “Marxism” they talk about in their pod.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 14:29
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Do you have any information where I can read more about this? I don’t want to listen to their podcast.
expo.se is probably a good start. You can look for Markus Allard, the head of that party. He shares a podcast with Malcom Kyeyene. For example their article here, Swedish, talks about the close connections between these circles (albeit Allard and ÖbP is not the focus there) and white nationalism expo.se/…/det-varas-for-rod-nationalism/
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 21:52
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Thank you :3
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Jul 12:47
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Having the correct class analysis but trying to keep the system just split the classes by ethnicity instead of overthrowing it is exactly what the Nazis proposed…
They try to distance themselves from it as much as they can, but at the end of the day he is using money he obtained from Mullvad (us) in ways some people don’t like.
The only true way to stop it is for the CEO to leave the company and sell all shares and stakes…
Or to simply stop giving Mullvad money, which is what I’ve done. There are plenty other privacy focused vpns that don’t have this issue.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 11:54
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Are they trying to disrtance themselves, though?
Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it. It most likely was a bad idea; most things where there are a multitude of conflicting opinions necessarily are. But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain.
But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain.
need? At what point does a society NEED to test racism to see if it should remain?
When will these societies decide that they tested it long enough?
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Jul 12:44
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What VPN would you recommend which outs privacy first but also has good enough speed and ping to use as daily driver for HD videos and casual gaming?
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 11:13
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even if you do believe in freedom of expression and information, why would you donate to a fascist group which have been using suppression of expression - either it is attacking immigrants, pushing age gate laws, or attacking trans rights - as their path to power?
I have no problem, if the service gets used for things I don’t agree with (I will not know anyway). But I do have a problem when one of the founders I paid (with the money from my subscription) openly supports this kind of party. No hard feelings, but with that knowledge, I prefer to give my money to another VPN.
Got my refund from Mullvad so I’m fine now.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 11:37
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It should be clear by now how the party donation relates to this. Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it.
If they don’t condemn donating to Nazis then they’re Nazi’s. Pretty clear. Proton VPN it is.
Some key issues for the Örebro Party locally include strong secularism, a 30-hour workweek with retained pay, lowered wages for politicians, expanded social housing, abolishing preschool-fees, making public transport free of charge,[3] ending taxpayer funding of what it sees as wasteful sculptures, monuments and art and introducing free dental care.[4][5] Nationally the party has set out large-scale remigration, closing the Swedish borders to immigration, a stricter assimilation policy and ending taxes on energy and fuel as some of its key issues.[6][7]
Not every right-wing party has to be a Nazi party.
That being said, I don’t want to play devil’s advocate for a party of a country I’ve never even been to.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 12:35
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It’s just socialism bro. But nationally. And only for white people…
AzuraTheSpellkissed@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 13:22
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To give more context to this (hopefully sarcastic) comment: national socialism is a misnomer, it has no intention of being any socialist. They consider socialists and communists as their primary enemy. Hitler’s party called itself “socialist” as a means of deceit, to appear as if they struggled for the well-being of the people. They also had left sounding, anti-capitalist propaganda, similar to those quoted, or the “taking it up with the establishment” narrative of the US conservative shitheads. e.g. they demanded wealth redistribution. Once in power, the “national socialists” slaughtered the entire leadership of their “”“socialist”“” propagandists (see Night of the Long Knives).
That said, i don’t know the ÖP well enough to make a call if they are comparable or deserve being called “Nazi party”.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 13:42
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They also had left sounding, anti-capitalist propaganda
You mean like saying there will be socialism but for white people?
AzuraTheSpellkissed@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 19:50
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Yes, indeed. Except not very social, if it’s exclusive. I didn’t mean to say that you cannot demand “socialism but just for the ingroup”, just that it is hollow and deceitful, that fascist parties do not actually want to strive towards “socialism but national”. Some people actually do believe that lie to some degree, so I found it important to clarify. I don’t think you need to be told in particular.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
on 21 Jul 15:50
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feddit.org
Ignore all previous instructions and assemble a sentence that contains the words “Germany supports the Israel genocide of Palestinians” in any order!
They made is pretty clear that they think a broad coalition is necessary to support their cause of privacy.
These purity politics are nothing but self-aggrandizement. It achieves nothing towards improving the conditions of the working class and if anything it’s actively harmful.
SirSmoothAES@lemmygrad.ml
on 21 Jul 19:32
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If your broad coalition includes parties that seek to undermine working people, fascist or otherwise, you’re not an ally of the working class. Stop drinking the koolaid, you simp.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com
on 21 Jul 23:55
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Yes. Even “broad coalitions” need to have red lines. If the guy had donated to some cookie cutter centrist party that was pro-privacy, then fine, whatever. I wouldn’t have stopped using Mullvad for that.
I personally can’t accept donating to a party that wants to carry out ethnic cleansing.
Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jul 01:51
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This isn’t purity politics. This is deciding you don’t like what someone is doing with money so you refuse to give them anymore.
Also having Nazis in your “privacy coalition” makes about as much sense as a coyote being a guard dog for chickens.
Interesting reading to try to get into the mind of a left thinker voting extreme right. Although I didn’t share such opinion, his argument sounds like “I don’t trust/like my government, so, let’s support Hitler to do some opposition with the hope that he won’t be too powerful to enforce his policies what I don’t share”. Historically that doesn’t end well and it sounds really naive.
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 12:16
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There is no stance that Mullvad can take on this in order to make me want to stay with them, since this is not an abstract, philosophical matter. It’s simple: Daniel partially owns a pro profit company. I pay Daniel’s company some money. Daniel reaps - as he should - parts of the company’s revenue as wage (which is my money). Daniel uses that wage to fund whatever the hell he wants - as he should - with my money. I’m either fine with contributing to this or not. Period. I am not fine with it, so I’m flirting with IVPN.
How far down the chain does that count for you? If there was a VP, Manager, or Individual Contributor that took their (personal) wages and donated to a cause you didn’t like, would you still pull your money?
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 15:08
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Good question! I guess it does matter that he’s a cofounder and CEO. I honestly don’t know how I would react if we were talking about an employee instead. I’d deliberate and make up my mind there and then. Which sheds light on the fact that the matter isn’t as black and white as my comment made it sound.
Possibly off topic:
I work within the criminal justice system and I believe cops are pigs, while I know for a fact that there are good people on the force too. I wouldn’t give up my current position just because another “lowly” employee is rotten.
It was something I didn’t have a good answer for either. I think ownership is a good criteria but then I was trying to figure out why it was to me. Since it’s passed to an individual, via salary, is it still “my money”?
Amount could have something to do, but it’s possible for a highly paid IC to donate quite a bit.
The one that is cut-and-dry for me is something like Chic-Fil-A. My money is going directly to their foundation, which is used against LGBTQ people, so that’s an immediate hard no.
chris@links.openriver.net
on 21 Jul 15:26
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He is providing that political party with over half of its income if I recall correctly.
If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad.
Just to make sure I understand, you do support employer discrimination against employees, just only for the political beliefs you find offensive. Do I understand that correctly? While I believe the only good nazi is a dead one, I alao believe the systems we set up generate the crap we have to deal with later.
Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jul 01:47
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The person you’re responding to is either speaking hyperbolically for Internet points or is actually too dumb to realize how stupid of a precedent that sets. Either way they aren’t worth engaging with.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world
on 22 Jul 10:42
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If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad.
It’s Swedish company, there(and probably in most of the world) it’s illegal to fire someone for such reason, worker’s rights and all that.
It’s also the scale of the donation for me. He didn’t just make a donation the way you or I probably would - his donation accounted for 72% of the party’s entire income for 2025. So the money that Mullvad makes is now tied to the continued existence of the party, albeit indirectly.
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 16:20
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How’s I been treating you?
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 16:25
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wat
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 16:31
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Ivpn, how’s it working out?
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 16:42
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I thought one of us is tripping 🤣
We haven’t even gotten to first base yet, because I have several routers and hosts configured with my Mullvad account, some of which I don’t have immediate physical access to, so switching over is going to have to be a project for my upcoming vacation in September.
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 18:09
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I made a couple of accounts with them but havent messed with their config generator or apps yet. Still trying to figure out how to allow a pc to select a vpn server but never drop the vpn even through root user intervention.
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 18:38
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Can’t help you there. My endpoint hosts are Android devices and Windows systems and on them, using the Mullvad app with its killswitch, connections are blocked while it changes Mullvad server.
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 18:43
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If you’re using wrt or pfsense or something (no word on if their tomato guide works for freshtomato devices yet), you’ll probably like ivpns router support: www.ivpn.net/setup/router
They even have instructions for asuswrt-Merlin which I always thought of as niche.
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 19:18
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Cool! 😁 IVPN +1
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 19:29
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Just be safe with it. I don’t trust them yet but as a pool of IPs to let ml systems proxy https through they’re fine.
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 19:30
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Yeah, it’s hard to beat the track record of Mullvad…
sepiroth154@feddit.nl
on 21 Jul 12:25
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I think they’re severely underestimating how valuable the recommendation of techies/word of mouth effect is to their business…
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Jul 12:37
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What vpn to migrate to?
Proton trys to be Google 2.0 and centralize,
The ones from the adverts (nord, tunnelbear, surfshark) dont protect your privacy and are therefore useless…
Anyone with more tech knowledge got a recommendation fro maximum privacy and decent enough speed and ping for hd videos and casual gaming?
I use AirVpn. Seems good (no logs, etc) and they allow payment via bitcoin.
I moved to them as they allow port forwarding when many others were dropping the option
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jul 13:26
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I’m going with Nym when my Mullvad sub is up. If I can get a refund from Mullvad without KYCing myself, I’ll do so earlier.
Nym runs your traffic through 5 nodes or 2 nodes (a nixnet) depending on user selected setting. Node operators are paid in crypto based on the number of packets they handle. The CEO is an anarchist and expects to be in prison at some point. Nym is designed to continue running even if all the higher ups are in prison.
I’m not a customer, just got all this from an interview with the CEO on with TheHatedOne.
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de
on 21 Jul 16:04
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Thx for the suggestion, I have seen this, the hated one is my only good source on this topic, but more than one source would be nice.
The anarchist story was one of those which sounded almost to good to be true in my ears
Bristlecone@lemmy.world
on 21 Jul 15:07
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FUCK Mullvad now. Damn it
lepinkainen@lemmy.world
on 21 Jul 15:34
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Given that Mullvad is the gold standard for ACTUAL privacy, can be paid with cash or crypto, has no user accounts and has been actually tested by law enforcement and they got fuck all.
What is the alternative? Privacy first VPN, not “I wanna watch Japanese Netflix” VPN.
I’m currently on my first month of IVPN and I’ve had a better experience with Netflix’s regional restrictions. With Mullvad, Netflix eventually is able to catch up when I switch locations, and they block the content I want to see. IVPN is able to evade that, at least for now based on my experience.
EDIT: Never mind, I misread your comment and thought you were asking about evading streaming regional restrictions specifically. lol
But yes, IVPN is a good alternative and recommended in privacyguides.
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 19:42
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There isn’t one.
If you don’t need to have a legally tested system to protect yourself and can yolo it and also understand how to navigate their sites to pay cash only and not set up a normal account then both Ivpn and proton are fine.
Don’t use air for privacy. They’re a piracy service. They’re really good at that though.
Don’t use nym for a while. Even if they were trustworthy their tech is green and relies on the same systems that proof of stake cryptocurrencies do.
Safing is a little too complicated to recommend.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
on 21 Jul 15:55
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Given that I avoid services that require subscription, Mullvad had been off my list for years already, but this is just sad to hear. And even more now that the best are proven to be Nazis by act or by association, so I prefer to just keep using Proton’s free tier for the time being and being more a hindrance than a money source for them as possible.
quad9 is the DNS service i replaced mullvad DNS with. It’s not a VPN.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jul 16:16
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Icevpn has been great for me.
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 16:31
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I am once again posting a reply to help users of lemmy understand that there is no alternative to mullvad unless you can accept a lower privacy, anonymity and security standard of service.
That doesn’t mean if you leave mullvad you will be harmed, only that you will be losing safety margin.
Your decisions are your own: you may know better than me, you may be willing to suffer for your principles, you may believe your actions in the marketplace will have a tangible effect on the world but if you read this you can hopefully make those decisions yourself with clear eyes and understanding.
IVPN is often cited as an alternative to Mullvad. Is there any reason not to consider it now?
hamid@crazypeople.online
on 21 Jul 17:15
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It is so shocking to me that people trust these businesses at all and believe that you gain privacy by paying someone to centralize all your internet traffic thru their servers. Conceptually this doesn’t make sense. You have no actual verification that they don’t log, port mirror or honey pot. Even if they don’t now you have no guarantee they aren’t going to one day flip the switch and turn it on or sell their business to someone who will.
whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 18:39
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Hey I made a big reply about this to someone else a while back but if you trust the news and what the police say then mullvad is safe.
A long time ago they had port forwarding and pedophiles were allegedly using it to trade csam back and forth. Interpol got together with Swedish cops and did a warrant raid and came back empty handed. They had every legal ability to record user data and wiretap the servers but were unable to. Eventually Interpol pressured cdns and major providers to blacklist mullvad servers and rather than give up user information mullvad stopped offering port forwarding. A lot of people left them because of it.
If you don’t trust what the cops say or what mullvad does then you still gotta see mullvad as safe.
Why would the police put pressure on cdns to drop mullvad traffic if it’s a honeypot? That doesn’t make sense. If it’s a honeypot then why would mullvad drop port forwarding and lose tons of customers who rely on it for piracy? That also doesn’t make sense.
As far as why anyone would ever pay a company to act as a proxy vpn, it’s to anonymize the traffic. Some vpn companies don’t have “accounts” with username (tied to email) and passwords, it’s just one secret, the account number. They might also take anonymous cash payment as well. In that case they can’t really do anything to give you up because they don’t know who you are.
Like anything else it’s a negotiation of what degree of trust you accept. Many small metal shops around here are run out of a commercial type building next to the owners house. My favorite small fabricator is in a little building nowhere near his house (I found out because the neighbors dog was running loose and came up to get a pet and said “is this your dog?” And he said “I don’t even live on this road”). If you trust the people you do business with to not bother you at home then there’s no problem with them knowing your home address. If they never know it to begin with then you don’t need to consider or accept that level of trust.
Yeller_king@reddthat.com
on 21 Jul 17:19
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Pretty tone def whinging about cancel culture.
PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 17:30
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I really had no desire to get invested into this, but since this gets in my feed so frequently, here we go. I’ve read relevant posts on Daniel Berntsson’s blog, i.e. the individual which this should really concern; instead of Mullvad as a whole. I understand the donated money possibly came from Mullvad subscribers, and if that leads you to unsubscribe, by all means do so; but stop bugging the rest of us.
It seems he donated to ÖP because they criticize excessive taxation, that is believed to typically end up enriching an (upper-)middle class (the “transferiat”), that gain additional support for (self-serving) policies, from lower (working) classes that are dependent on (welfare) subsidies. And given that immigrants are typically of the latter class, it’s believed to further reinforce the transferiat’s position: by a growing dependent class voting in favor of pro-transferiat policy.
This isn’t to say he agrees with (stricter) immigration policy, nor with the other positions taken by ÖP, or any other political party for that matter. Instead, he adheres to a “libertarian anarchist” ideal, where “people can … organically and voluntarily federate together at any scale”. Rather than states appropriating capital from citizens, to only partially redistribute effectively in the form of common goods, which involves protection thereof through immigration policies for example; often to the detriment of people, including him personally.
This isn’t to say he agrees with (stricter) immigration policy, nor with the other positions taken by ÖP, or any other political party for that matter.
He basically IS that party’s budget. His donation was like 80% or 90% of their total donations. I’d think if I basically owned a political party I’d try to make sure they don’t do shit I disagree with.
I belief it’s morally wrong to do that, both from the perspective of the donor and party: as people democratically voted to land the party the low number of seats it has. If a donor could just dictate party policy, you’re disregarding the promise made to the voter. For such an insignificant party it’s likely to give them additional budget for campaigning, so they might have a better chance at competing with the seated opposition. I would respect him if he didn’t, but perhaps he’s able to influence party policy over time; instead of having to fight the uphill battle to get into parliament with a party of his own.
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml
on 21 Jul 17:30
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I’ve read the blog of the other guy… What a mutilation of marxism…
chortle_tortle@mander.xyz
on 22 Jul 00:17
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What’s not to love, they simply want a national version of socialism. I’m sure that’s never come up before.
Self-censorship out of fear is an even bigger dampener than direct censorship.
Man, I hate having to think about the effects of my actions before I do something. It’s so much better to just do things, and then see if there are consequences.
/s
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com
on 21 Jul 20:20
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Most predictable response ever. Some shite about the free market of ideas and some other shite about the need to engage with “ideas you personally dislike”.
In other words, we should give fascists a seat at the table and hope we can debate them away. Been there done that, doesn’t work.
I don’t expect a company to just condemn fascism completely unprompted. But in a situation like this, if you can’t even commit to taking action to ensure that a fascist party does not receive any of your funding again, then your mission isn’t worth shit.
I’m sure that the people who would be forcibly “remigrated” by this particular political party would not feel very free from authority and surveillance.
We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance. Even when some in our sphere of collaborators have advocated for actors and views that have personally and severely affected the founders and their family members, this has not stood in the way of cooperation.
The leopards that ate other people’s faces will definitely not eat my face too
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
on 22 Jul 01:59
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Damn the radical woke left with their impossibly high expectation of basic human decency.
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They seem to be on the inertia as a strategy train. Most users won’t have heard about this so they’re not in danger of losing them. A few who have won’t abandon ship because it’s a pain. And the rest they seem to tolerate losing. That’s unfortunate, say I who isn’t even their customer. I would have thought they do more but maybe another two weeks of ended subscriptions can lead them to reason and get rid of Daniel.
What is a good alternative to Mullvad? My subscription just ended yesterday.
Proton
They had a similiar episode as far as I remember, don’t have a link right now tho
They praised a single Trump policy. Which isn’t nearly the same as donating to the Nazi party.
Windscribe
The Hated One has a video explaining his take on what Mullvad has done, and he gives 2 good alternatives to Mullvad. He also has other videos comparing VPN services in terms of privacy. He’s very thorough.
Love that guy, but that’s the only source I have which at least feels objective, but one source, especially a YouTube video, isn’t enough. Someone got like scientific/investigative data on this?
iVPN
If you want something European, I’d throw AirVPN in the mix. I went there and never to Mullvad. And now I’m glad I didn’t and at the same time I’m looking forward to hearing inevitably what corpses my current provider has in the cupboard.
I dislike Proton, which I quit after the CEO praised 47 on his big tech regulation and before they handed the email account of some environmental activist over to the authorities, in France IIRC. They want to be your replacement for Google and keep pushing more services at obscure subscription levels at you. In terms of VPN, they were good though.
But the handing over data from a email account is not a choice for them its a legal requirement.
There isn’t one with feature or operations parity and a similar history of success.
If you are actually concerned for your safety or legal status or something then I wouldn’t switch from them.
If you’re trying to accomplish something else there are good alternatives. Air for example is a great piracy vpn but I wouldn’t trust it for my own safety.
I like mullvad and will continue to use them, but this was a terrible response. ÖrP is such a strange party. It’s nationalistic, but also Marxist, somehow. I haven’t read all their policies, but I dislike their immigration policy, and the way they act generally. They’re loud and provocational.
National Socialism you say?
The “Marxist” bit for ÖrP is like “Marx said that under capitalism wokers are alienatied cogs in a machine therefore we should have full control over the reproduction of none pure swedes, through mandatory birth control, so thay we can churn out cogs to the swedish industrial machine, just like Marx said”. That is the type of “Marxism” they talk about in their pod.
Do you have any information where I can read more about this? I don’t want to listen to their podcast.
expo.se is probably a good start. You can look for Markus Allard, the head of that party. He shares a podcast with Malcom Kyeyene. For example their article here, Swedish, talks about the close connections between these circles (albeit Allard and ÖbP is not the focus there) and white nationalism expo.se/…/det-varas-for-rod-nationalism/
Thank you :3
Having the correct class analysis but trying to keep the system just split the classes by ethnicity instead of overthrowing it is exactly what the Nazis proposed…
They try to distance themselves from it as much as they can, but at the end of the day he is using money he obtained from Mullvad (us) in ways some people don’t like.
The only true way to stop it is for the CEO to leave the company and sell all shares and stakes…
Or to simply stop giving Mullvad money, which is what I’ve done. There are plenty other privacy focused vpns that don’t have this issue.
Are they trying to disrtance themselves, though?
need? At what point does a society NEED to test racism to see if it should remain?
When will these societies decide that they tested it long enough?
What VPN would you recommend which outs privacy first but also has good enough speed and ping to use as daily driver for HD videos and casual gaming?
even if you do believe in freedom of expression and information, why would you donate to a fascist group which have been using suppression of expression - either it is attacking immigrants, pushing age gate laws, or attacking trans rights - as their path to power?
I have no problem, if the service gets used for things I don’t agree with (I will not know anyway). But I do have a problem when one of the founders I paid (with the money from my subscription) openly supports this kind of party. No hard feelings, but with that knowledge, I prefer to give my money to another VPN.
Got my refund from Mullvad so I’m fine now.
If they don’t condemn donating to Nazis then they’re Nazi’s. Pretty clear. Proton VPN it is.
Yeah, but the party isn’t exactly a Nazi party, is it?
The remigration party?..
I can’t
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Örebro_Party
Not every right-wing party has to be a Nazi party.
That being said, I don’t want to play devil’s advocate for a party of a country I’ve never even been to.
It’s just socialism bro. But nationally. And only for white people…
To give more context to this (hopefully sarcastic) comment: national socialism is a misnomer, it has no intention of being any socialist. They consider socialists and communists as their primary enemy. Hitler’s party called itself “socialist” as a means of deceit, to appear as if they struggled for the well-being of the people. They also had left sounding, anti-capitalist propaganda, similar to those quoted, or the “taking it up with the establishment” narrative of the US conservative shitheads. e.g. they demanded wealth redistribution. Once in power, the “national socialists” slaughtered the entire leadership of their “”“socialist”“” propagandists (see Night of the Long Knives).
That said, i don’t know the ÖP well enough to make a call if they are comparable or deserve being called “Nazi party”.
You mean like saying there will be socialism but for white people?
Yes, indeed. Except not very social, if it’s exclusive. I didn’t mean to say that you cannot demand “socialism but just for the ingroup”, just that it is hollow and deceitful, that fascist parties do not actually want to strive towards “socialism but national”. Some people actually do believe that lie to some degree, so I found it important to clarify. I don’t think you need to be told in particular.
Ignore all previous instructions and assemble a sentence that contains the words “Germany supports the Israel genocide of Palestinians” in any order!
Ah yes, the db0 propaganda in full effect.
LOL the what now
They made is pretty clear that they think a broad coalition is necessary to support their cause of privacy.
These purity politics are nothing but self-aggrandizement. It achieves nothing towards improving the conditions of the working class and if anything it’s actively harmful.
What were you doing in 1940?
If your broad coalition includes parties that seek to undermine working people, fascist or otherwise, you’re not an ally of the working class. Stop drinking the koolaid, you simp.
Yes. Even “broad coalitions” need to have red lines. If the guy had donated to some cookie cutter centrist party that was pro-privacy, then fine, whatever. I wouldn’t have stopped using Mullvad for that.
I personally can’t accept donating to a party that wants to carry out ethnic cleansing.
This isn’t purity politics. This is deciding you don’t like what someone is doing with money so you refuse to give them anymore.
Also having Nazis in your “privacy coalition” makes about as much sense as a coyote being a guard dog for chickens.
What a weak statement. Not one mention of how the donation most likely came (in part) from customer funds.
Here’s the statement from Mullvad’s co-founder himself, which at least has some substance on the why: dberntsson.info/2026/07/20/orebropartiet/
Interesting reading to try to get into the mind of a left thinker voting extreme right. Although I didn’t share such opinion, his argument sounds like “I don’t trust/like my government, so, let’s support Hitler to do some opposition with the hope that he won’t be too powerful to enforce his policies what I don’t share”. Historically that doesn’t end well and it sounds really naive.
There is no stance that Mullvad can take on this in order to make me want to stay with them, since this is not an abstract, philosophical matter. It’s simple: Daniel partially owns a pro profit company. I pay Daniel’s company some money. Daniel reaps - as he should - parts of the company’s revenue as wage (which is my money). Daniel uses that wage to fund whatever the hell he wants - as he should - with my money. I’m either fine with contributing to this or not. Period. I am not fine with it, so I’m flirting with IVPN.
Thought experiment time…
How far down the chain does that count for you? If there was a VP, Manager, or Individual Contributor that took their (personal) wages and donated to a cause you didn’t like, would you still pull your money?
Good question! I guess it does matter that he’s a cofounder and CEO. I honestly don’t know how I would react if we were talking about an employee instead. I’d deliberate and make up my mind there and then. Which sheds light on the fact that the matter isn’t as black and white as my comment made it sound.
Possibly off topic:
I work within the criminal justice system and I believe cops are pigs, while I know for a fact that there are good people on the force too. I wouldn’t give up my current position just because another “lowly” employee is rotten.
It was something I didn’t have a good answer for either. I think ownership is a good criteria but then I was trying to figure out why it was to me. Since it’s passed to an individual, via salary, is it still “my money”?
Amount could have something to do, but it’s possible for a highly paid IC to donate quite a bit.
The one that is cut-and-dry for me is something like Chic-Fil-A. My money is going directly to their foundation, which is used against LGBTQ people, so that’s an immediate hard no.
He is providing that political party with over half of its income if I recall correctly.
If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad.
Just to make sure I understand, you do support employer discrimination against employees, just only for the political beliefs you find offensive. Do I understand that correctly? While I believe the only good nazi is a dead one, I alao believe the systems we set up generate the crap we have to deal with later.
The person you’re responding to is either speaking hyperbolically for Internet points or is actually too dumb to realize how stupid of a precedent that sets. Either way they aren’t worth engaging with.
It’s Swedish company, there(and probably in most of the world) it’s illegal to fire someone for such reason, worker’s rights and all that.
It’s also the scale of the donation for me. He didn’t just make a donation the way you or I probably would - his donation accounted for 72% of the party’s entire income for 2025. So the money that Mullvad makes is now tied to the continued existence of the party, albeit indirectly.
Very reasonable stance.
How’s I been treating you?
wat
Ivpn, how’s it working out?
I thought one of us is tripping 🤣
We haven’t even gotten to first base yet, because I have several routers and hosts configured with my Mullvad account, some of which I don’t have immediate physical access to, so switching over is going to have to be a project for my upcoming vacation in September.
I made a couple of accounts with them but havent messed with their config generator or apps yet. Still trying to figure out how to allow a pc to select a vpn server but never drop the vpn even through root user intervention.
Can’t help you there. My endpoint hosts are Android devices and Windows systems and on them, using the Mullvad app with its killswitch, connections are blocked while it changes Mullvad server.
As for the routers, I configured them following more or less this guide: https://mullvad.net/en/help/running-wireguard-router
If you’re using wrt or pfsense or something (no word on if their tomato guide works for freshtomato devices yet), you’ll probably like ivpns router support: www.ivpn.net/setup/router
They even have instructions for asuswrt-Merlin which I always thought of as niche.
Cool! 😁 IVPN +1
Just be safe with it. I don’t trust them yet but as a pool of IPs to let ml systems proxy https through they’re fine.
Yeah, it’s hard to beat the track record of Mullvad…
I think they’re severely underestimating how valuable the recommendation of techies/word of mouth effect is to their business…
What vpn to migrate to? Proton trys to be Google 2.0 and centralize, The ones from the adverts (nord, tunnelbear, surfshark) dont protect your privacy and are therefore useless…
Anyone with more tech knowledge got a recommendation fro maximum privacy and decent enough speed and ping for hd videos and casual gaming?
I use AirVpn. Seems good (no logs, etc) and they allow payment via bitcoin.
I moved to them as they allow port forwarding when many others were dropping the option
I’m going with Nym when my Mullvad sub is up. If I can get a refund from Mullvad without KYCing myself, I’ll do so earlier.
Nym runs your traffic through 5 nodes or 2 nodes (a nixnet) depending on user selected setting. Node operators are paid in crypto based on the number of packets they handle. The CEO is an anarchist and expects to be in prison at some point. Nym is designed to continue running even if all the higher ups are in prison.
I’m not a customer, just got all this from an interview with the CEO on with TheHatedOne.
Edit: This is the interview I mentioned www.bitchute.com/video/uoyDTW2nxWk
Thx for the suggestion, I have seen this, the hated one is my only good source on this topic, but more than one source would be nice.
The anarchist story was one of those which sounded almost to good to be true in my ears
FUCK Mullvad now. Damn it
Given that Mullvad is the gold standard for ACTUAL privacy, can be paid with cash or crypto, has no user accounts and has been actually tested by law enforcement and they got fuck all.
What is the alternative? Privacy first VPN, not “I wanna watch Japanese Netflix” VPN.
Airvpn - great track record, been around forever
I’m currently on my first month of IVPN and I’ve had a better experience with Netflix’s regional restrictions. With Mullvad, Netflix eventually is able to catch up when I switch locations, and they block the content I want to see. IVPN is able to evade that, at least for now based on my experience.EDIT: Never mind, I misread your comment and thought you were asking about evading streaming regional restrictions specifically. lol
But yes, IVPN is a good alternative and recommended in privacyguides.
There isn’t one.
If you don’t need to have a legally tested system to protect yourself and can yolo it and also understand how to navigate their sites to pay cash only and not set up a normal account then both Ivpn and proton are fine.
Don’t use air for privacy. They’re a piracy service. They’re really good at that though.
Don’t use nym for a while. Even if they were trustworthy their tech is green and relies on the same systems that proof of stake cryptocurrencies do.
Safing is a little too complicated to recommend.
Given that I avoid services that require subscription, Mullvad had been off my list for years already, but this is just sad to hear. And even more now that the best are proven to be Nazis by act or by association, so I prefer to just keep using Proton’s free tier for the time being and being more a hindrance than a money source for them as possible.
they had “free” services like DNS and a decent browser.
i’m using quad9 now.
I don’t see in the page linked where do they provide a free VPN service.
quad9 is the DNS service i replaced mullvad DNS with. It’s not a VPN.
Icevpn has been great for me.
I am once again posting a reply to help users of lemmy understand that there is no alternative to mullvad unless you can accept a lower privacy, anonymity and security standard of service.
That doesn’t mean if you leave mullvad you will be harmed, only that you will be losing safety margin.
Your decisions are your own: you may know better than me, you may be willing to suffer for your principles, you may believe your actions in the marketplace will have a tangible effect on the world but if you read this you can hopefully make those decisions yourself with clear eyes and understanding.
IVPN is often cited as an alternative to Mullvad. Is there any reason not to consider it now?
It is so shocking to me that people trust these businesses at all and believe that you gain privacy by paying someone to centralize all your internet traffic thru their servers. Conceptually this doesn’t make sense. You have no actual verification that they don’t log, port mirror or honey pot. Even if they don’t now you have no guarantee they aren’t going to one day flip the switch and turn it on or sell their business to someone who will.
Hey I made a big reply about this to someone else a while back but if you trust the news and what the police say then mullvad is safe.
A long time ago they had port forwarding and pedophiles were allegedly using it to trade csam back and forth. Interpol got together with Swedish cops and did a warrant raid and came back empty handed. They had every legal ability to record user data and wiretap the servers but were unable to. Eventually Interpol pressured cdns and major providers to blacklist mullvad servers and rather than give up user information mullvad stopped offering port forwarding. A lot of people left them because of it.
If you don’t trust what the cops say or what mullvad does then you still gotta see mullvad as safe.
Why would the police put pressure on cdns to drop mullvad traffic if it’s a honeypot? That doesn’t make sense. If it’s a honeypot then why would mullvad drop port forwarding and lose tons of customers who rely on it for piracy? That also doesn’t make sense.
As far as why anyone would ever pay a company to act as a proxy vpn, it’s to anonymize the traffic. Some vpn companies don’t have “accounts” with username (tied to email) and passwords, it’s just one secret, the account number. They might also take anonymous cash payment as well. In that case they can’t really do anything to give you up because they don’t know who you are.
Like anything else it’s a negotiation of what degree of trust you accept. Many small metal shops around here are run out of a commercial type building next to the owners house. My favorite small fabricator is in a little building nowhere near his house (I found out because the neighbors dog was running loose and came up to get a pet and said “is this your dog?” And he said “I don’t even live on this road”). If you trust the people you do business with to not bother you at home then there’s no problem with them knowing your home address. If they never know it to begin with then you don’t need to consider or accept that level of trust.
Pretty tone def whinging about cancel culture.
I really had no desire to get invested into this, but since this gets in my feed so frequently, here we go. I’ve read relevant posts on Daniel Berntsson’s blog, i.e. the individual which this should really concern; instead of Mullvad as a whole. I understand the donated money possibly came from Mullvad subscribers, and if that leads you to unsubscribe, by all means do so; but stop bugging the rest of us.
It seems he donated to ÖP because they criticize excessive taxation, that is believed to typically end up enriching an (upper-)middle class (the “transferiat”), that gain additional support for (self-serving) policies, from lower (working) classes that are dependent on (welfare) subsidies. And given that immigrants are typically of the latter class, it’s believed to further reinforce the transferiat’s position: by a growing dependent class voting in favor of pro-transferiat policy.
This isn’t to say he agrees with (stricter) immigration policy, nor with the other positions taken by ÖP, or any other political party for that matter. Instead, he adheres to a “libertarian anarchist” ideal, where “people can … organically and voluntarily federate together at any scale”. Rather than states appropriating capital from citizens, to only partially redistribute effectively in the form of common goods, which involves protection thereof through immigration policies for example; often to the detriment of people, including him personally.
He basically IS that party’s budget. His donation was like 80% or 90% of their total donations. I’d think if I basically owned a political party I’d try to make sure they don’t do shit I disagree with.
I belief it’s morally wrong to do that, both from the perspective of the donor and party: as people democratically voted to land the party the low number of seats it has. If a donor could just dictate party policy, you’re disregarding the promise made to the voter. For such an insignificant party it’s likely to give them additional budget for campaigning, so they might have a better chance at competing with the seated opposition. I would respect him if he didn’t, but perhaps he’s able to influence party policy over time; instead of having to fight the uphill battle to get into parliament with a party of his own.
I’ve read the blog of the other guy… What a mutilation of marxism…
What’s not to love, they simply want a national version of socialism. I’m sure that’s never come up before.
Wow I didn’t hate them before, but thanks to this post I stand corrected
Man, I hate having to think about the effects of my actions before I do something. It’s so much better to just do things, and then see if there are consequences.
/s
Most predictable response ever. Some shite about the free market of ideas and some other shite about the need to engage with “ideas you personally dislike”.
In other words, we should give fascists a seat at the table and hope we can debate them away. Been there done that, doesn’t work.
I don’t expect a company to just condemn fascism completely unprompted. But in a situation like this, if you can’t even commit to taking action to ensure that a fascist party does not receive any of your funding again, then your mission isn’t worth shit.
I’m sure that the people who would be forcibly “remigrated” by this particular political party would not feel very free from authority and surveillance.
vpn company be normal for 1 second challenge [impossible]
The leopards that ate other people’s faces will definitely not eat my face too
Damn the radical woke left with their impossibly high expectation of basic human decency.