Stop children using VPNs to watch porn, ministers told
(www.bbc.com)
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from Ste41th@lemmy.ml to privacy@lemmy.ml on 19 Aug 11:19
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This was bound to happen, and it’s ridiculous
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Why not just gouge out their eyeballs, it’s the only way to make sure!
Oh, what’s that, it’s not actually about the porn, it’s about getting everyone to self-submit personal info to your shitty databases? Ooh, ok, gotcha!
Edit: sorry about the non-sequitur, I’m losing my fucking mind…
You spelled ‘squirting’ wrong, I think 🫡
Good point, I do feel my brain liquefying and gushing out through my friggin’ ears when seeing what we’re doing to ourselves…
It’s so weird. Just don’t give your kids unrestricted internet access if you’re concerned about any of this…
Just give them a flip-phone and a living-room computer.
Or, y’know… they could do some actual parenting and talk to their kids about this. Kids aren’t morons, they’re just inexperienced. They are actually capable of understanding, like, words and stuff as long as one offers enough context for them… Actually teach the kids to use the internet, help them develop some insights.
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain), then address those directly! Friggin’ nurture their critical thinking and empathy! Locking them up in the fucking basement isn’t gonna Protect Them From Evil™, it just ensures they’ll be maladapted and sociopathic once they manage to escape from fucking prison! (no pun intended)
Edit: I will say this forever and ever - it is the parents’ duty to adapt to the world in which their kids have to live, not to force their kids to adapt to a world their parents wish would apply!
You’re 100% correct, but I would also like to point out how weird it is that porn seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.
In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman’s life is threatened. I know this is a BBC article about the UK, but I can’t help but see some parallels with the right-wing religious conservatives everywhere in the world.
They don’t care about women. They don’t care about children. They don’t care about workers. They care about having lots of cheap labor. They care about parents being too tired, too overworked, too risk-averse for the sake of their children to dare to fight back. They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately. Any substitute which threatens that (birth control, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, sex education) is under attack.
It’s what Jesus would have wanted
Yep, it’s always about profit and control with these assholes, never about what’s right or wrong. And even the religious pretext is just utter bullshit from where they’re standing, using it to make the pill easier to swallow for the brainwashed masses, nothing more…
These people don’t give a fuck about any sort of god or code, they just want more money and more power. That’s all there is to it.
In the US children get shot and killed at school on a monthly basis and all the government can think to do is age-gate porn and ban books
Nah, they dug in with it in the healthcare field, when “fighting for nurses” who were idiots and thought vaccines killed people.
…and guess what. Those same people are the ones didling the children. I can fill your inbox weekly with examples of clergy, police, republicans, christo facist et al. Now, don’t even think for a second that I give the democrats a pass either. However, the list of democrats is much shorter, but fuck them both. Me thinks they doth protest too loudly.
I’m neiher republican nor democrat. Just a lowely American. I don’t need a political echo chamber to have a political compass.
At the very least, most of the Democrats are guilty of taking money from those ghouls.
To bring it back to Palantir, Biden himself was singing their praises back when he was vice president and the US government was using their surveillance tools.
As much as it is good to see MAGA turn on Trunk over the Epstein files, it’s not lost on me that Garland, under Biden, sat on the files doing nothing for 4 years. And maybe that would make sense if they were actively investigating and trying to prosecute people, but as far as I can tell Maxwell is the only one who faced any consequences.
I don’t want to distract the narrative away from Trump’s guilt. And also, when you stack up presidential accomplishments I’d still rank Biden near the top, probably top-5 in US history. But that says more about the other presidents than Biden.
Our government in the US is corrupt and compromised top to bottom and side to side, and has been for quite a long time now. No one gets a pass.
No, simply don’t us the computer as nanny, educate your childs to the correct and safe use of the network. You can add, if you want, SwissCows as search engine, which is Familysafe by design, apart of private. Also possible to block NSFW sites on DNS level. But this isn’t the question here, it’s about some assholes in the Goverment which want absolute control over the information the people see in the web, apart to monitor their activity, even reading your mail (what Google already does).
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It’s their job to guard their kids from this content first and foremost. It’s their job to put it into context for their children. But the article doesn’t even mention that any of this is a humongous failing of parents.
Next this commissioner will want to outlaw computer mice because they’re used to click pornographic content without verifying the age of the finger on the button. And roads because adult content actors use them to get to jobs.
The way forward is not banning or making worse all sorts of useful tools as collateral damage in this “think of the children” campaign. It is to get all adult content everywhere behind a barrier toddlers cannot break. We were fine with porn mags partially obscured on the top shelf at a news agent when that was a thing. And the salesperson making sure the customer wasn’t a minor. The solution isn’t closing all digital news agents.
And it’s quite telling that the existence of VPNs didn’t play a bigger part in this UK online safety initiative. Like it wasn’t obvious that when the west entrance to porn central was closed off, people wouldn’t naturally look for the ones in east, north, and south.
Edited typo
Brits can kiss their beloved VPNs goodbye.
They can pry it from my cold dead hands.
And hello to a VPS with RDP maybe.
El paquete - UK edition, coming to a flash drive near you XD
It feels like a return of the pornography/video games/rock music moral panic of the late 20th century. I wish these conservative idiots would just fuck off. We’ll do anything before we tackle things that are really affecting children. Like poverty and hunger, in one of the world’s richest countries. We’re a joke of a country, no wonder people keep making fun of us. We deserve it.
Honestly, it feels more sinister. Sure, they say they want to eliminate this privacy tool because children could use it to watch porn, but realistically they’re not a fan of anybody using a VPN.
It seems like a perpetual panic, sustained because it creates a lever of exploitation to control the gullible. Like you can read complaints about “oversexed youth” from time periods when pornography was totally banned and women were essentially chattel. And hey, Boomers didn’t have internet porn and they are fucked.
Satanic Panic
Are not the US citizen a joke, you can not blame people who were educated in ignorance by the Governments, more in the fear of God than in the lack of reasoning capacity in a pseudo-democracy. Living in abubble and helpless in shock, when they visit Europe, seeing what means living safe and protected, with rights they even didn’t know that they exist. This is only sad, we make fun of your crappy fascist system and the current pedo-nazi asshole of president, not the people which don’t know it better.
Ah yes, Europe. Bastion of safety and human rights.
Some countries of the EU and UK isn’t part of the EU. Europe has one of the strongest privacy laws, it’s a constitutional basic right, because of this the acrobacies of right wing politicians to find a manner to surround it without violating the user privacy rights, but it’s nearly impossible and for sure it will cost time until something like this is implemented, and more until it is implemented in all countries, which is another problem. Spain at least is clear, childrens are responsability of their parents, period.
A friend recently told me that palantir has some sort of stake in this data management for the OSA? Is this true? I know they’ve had a deal with NHS England for a few years
If so, our world is taking a very scary turn
If anyone hasn’t I’d advise to do research on palantir, Peter thiel and Curtis Yarvin for a window into the psychology of the people pushing us down this road
Here’s a great video on the subject
Iirc a thiel company, Persona, does the ID verification
Lovely
If Thiel’s mafia organisation (I refuse to call that scrap by desecrating sir Tolkien’s works’ names) has a deal with the NHS, then that should be ended ASAP. Fuck that, that’s some serious spying.
Capitalism is shit, and there are things where it especially NEVER, EVER should have any access, power or influence, directly or indirectly:
stop making housing so expensive imstead of thinking about children every hour ministers
I have yet to read any coherent argument why any kind of media that young people actively choose to watch, actively seek out, would ever be harmful to them.
It’s the battle-cry of insecure folk growing old.
If I don’t like it, it must be bad. But if I don’t understand it, it must be dangerous.
I would have thought that by now, enough voting adults would have grown up also having watched online pornography when they were underage and realizing it didn’t harm them.
There’s something off it’s not just some conservative folks.
It’s happening everywhere suddenly out of nowhere.
Steam, itch, youtube, UK, australia.
Something definitely off.
If you really think this is out of no where you haven’t been paying attention.
The moral panic has always been present, sure. But I don’t if it alone is to blame.
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All the details point to Palantir from what I’ve read. There is this sudden massive surveillance and censorship push everywhere we look. I’m convinced they are trying to funnel people into a position where they have zero privacy (and eventually payment system) protections. We’re going to see new tech pop up. A Palantir VPN; a Palantir payment processor; some new crypto banking system. They’re forcing us all into a world where Elon Musk’s stupid “Everything Platform” idea is a reality so that we are beholden to a single entity that possesses all of the keys.
I think Rupert Murdoch is involved too. And I think it’s good to mention Peter Thiel, the owner and founder of Palantir, any time they are brought up.
There have been a ton of governments swinging rightwards suddenly too. Not just the US- the UK has a long stretch of Conservative governance that was only barely broken by Labour in 2024, and the Labour party has drifted so far right that the Reform party was created. Germany is dealing with their own alt-right menace. Conservative middle-eastern governments like Saudi Arabia and the UAE have been spreading their global influence. The Philippines had their stint with Duterte. India has had a right-wing Prime Minister, Modi, since 2014. And of course, we have Netanyahu of Israel and Putin of Russia.
Personally, I look to the downfalls of communist states. The USSR collapsing in 1991, leading to the absolute mess of oligarchs looting the publicly owned assets and turning them into private fortunes. The opening of China to the west started by Deng Xiaoping led to similar issues there. The rise of the oil age, which helped both those Russian oligarchs and middle eastern petrostates (and the US. And the Scandinavian petrol states, though they at least moved to social democracy instead of authoritarianism).
All of a sudden all of this power was concentrated in the hands of just a few hundred businesspeople and politicians. Reagan and Thatcher happened. Socialist governments everywhere were undermined by the US government. Then economic crash after economic crash after economic crash. The dot-com bubble, 9/11, the 2008 financial crisis, wars everywhere, Brexit, the invasion of Ukraine, the pandemic. Every earthquake that hit Japan, every hurricane that was horribly mismanaged by FEMA, the fires in Hawaii and California and Australia and Canada.
Every disaster a new opportunity for those few hundred people in power to tighten the screws, acquire more power, and distance themselves from the rest.
I don’t mean this as a conspiracy. The billionaires fight each other too sometimes. Trump mostly seems like Putin’s puppet, but there are some exceptions. Putin backs Iran while Trump backs Israel. Putin was on good terms with Musk, and afaik that has not changed while Trump has distanced himself from Musk publicly. Just that the overall trend has been towards power moving from the people into the autocrats globally for the past few decades.
Fox News?
Or really any media that gives a warped view of reality. Movies glorifying drug use, eating disorders, stuff like that. I’m sure you’ve heard about people getting hurt from tiktok “challenges”. Kids are fucking stupid.
So they prefer to spy on what their kids are doing? Bah, those ministers are nonce creeps.
Terf island is controlled by nonces
Not their kids. Yours and mine.
ffs, authoritarian overreaching technologically illiterate BS. This also won’t work if you’re determined, make sure you have a paid up VPS!
I have a great job lined up in the UK, I’m not sure I can take it up considering that is turning into this kind of shit hole.
It’s been this kind of shit hole surveillance state for a long time. Look at the snooper’s charter/investigatory powers act, for example.
You’re not wrong, but it absolutely is getting worse.
Yeah, and they’ve jumped the “protect our kids” wankery into overdrive as well.
Complete doomer mode: I think they’re also gonna re-establish section 28 soon.
What’s section 28?
Section 28 of the 1988 local government act (often just referred to colloquially as section 28), was a law that made it illegal to discuss queer identities in schools.
here's the relevant excerpt of the act
2A Prohibition on promoting homosexuality by teaching or by publishing material (1)A local authority shall not— (a)intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality; (b)promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship. (2)Nothing in subsection (1) above shall be taken to prohibit the doing of anything for the purpose of treating or preventing the spread of disease. (3)In any proceedings in connection with the application of this section a court shall draw such inferences as to the intention of the local authority as may reasonably be drawn from the evidence before it. (4)In subsection (1)(b) above “maintained school” means,— (a)in England and Wales, a county school, voluntary school, nursery school or special school, within the meaning of the Education Act 1944; and (b)in Scotland, a public school, nursery school or special school, within the meaning of the Education (Scotland) Act 1980.”
It was repealed in 2003, but the recent resurgence of homophobia in parliament is using a similar language around “protecting children” is identical to the shit Thatcher and her cronies were throwing around in the 80’s.
for example (CW: homophobia)
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Oh wow, I hope you’re wrong but who knows at this point considering one of the only noteworthy things they’ve done in the last year is attack trans people. What’s the source of that last image? I’m really hoping that’s one of the examples from the 80s and not a recent one…
Yeah, that’s an 80’s one. Here it is in the Tory Party’s online archive.
I’m hoping this is just me dooming but having grown up in the dying days of section 28, I’m genuinely scared for this next generation of queer people.
Thankfully they might struggle a bit more with it as it’s something the public feels a bit more strongly about. I feel like queer people are pretty widely accepted nowadays especially among the younger generations. Whereas with all the privacy stuff they can get away with it because most people either don’t understand or don’t care (or both). Way too many people believe in “nothing to hide nothing to fear”
Don’t worry, the rest of the world will follow suit in a minute
I wouldn’t take it up, honestly. Best to go for somewhere in the EU instead.
The UK is a US puppet state, and pretty much showing it.
I’m EU adjacent, with better privacy laws and definitely aware of the role parents need to play in parenting and of government overreach. I’m happy here but dem monies
Hmm, I don’t know your situation, but if you’re living in Switzerland, Norway, the Faroe Islands, or Iceland, I honestly would just recommend staying there.
If it’s in Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, or Bosnia, then yeah, fair. But I thought none of those had good privacy laws?
Can’t imagine Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, or Turkey have good privacy laws. And certainly not any of the North African countries…
Don’t give them your human capital.
Make controlled corn illegal.
Make VPN illegal.
Make horny illegal.
Make showing body and hairs in public illegal.
This little drama may be UK specified, but govs are pushing borders of how much they can squeeze us before society starts to boil. We should boil and explode fast and faster each time, making such gov illegal instead.
Just saying… And I did not speak out, Because I was not an UK citizen.
If you think this isn’t gonna spread, you’re deluding yourself
I’m bit worried, do You mean what will spread, gov and company greed, or citizen disobedience?
I won’t delude anyone for hunger for power and money will only grow while eating. But citizens fighting for their freedom, uhm… well… sure, there is always breakpoint, when society will explode and do fight… but so far, it looks like, greed do 10 steps front, society explode, and greed do 1 step back, all calm, and greed do next 10 steps forward, another protest, another 1 step back, another chill, and next 10 steps…
i meant all the draconian bullshit the UK government is doing. It’s GOING to spread. A matter of when, not if.
No matter, if another countries will get inspired by UK directly, or develop hard laws on their own, but agree, they will try.
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What child has a VPN ?
A tech savvy child who can Google free vpns.
Can confirm, knew what vpns were when I was 14.
But it’s still ridiculous. A willing person will masturbate to nursing home brochures if they are horny enough.
If they really cared about kids they would have been regulating the social media platforms like instagram.
Pretty much. We all know this isn’t about protecting kids, it’s about over policing people and invading their privacy.
It’s indeed ridiculous. At some point I had no internet access, no playboy, no drawing stuff. So, anyway, I just used my good ol’ imagination.
They always seek to control that which is natural: the urge to have a happy life, with pleasure.
They could better spend their time combatting the corruption within the Tories and Labour, and actually putting up a proportional representation system. Or yet better, workplace democracy for all. People can follow a leader if they want, but it’s nice if everyone else also can live as they want.
If they cared about kids, I think it’s better to educate them about how to navigate the internet safely. Prohibiting the internet for kids is one thing, but imo it’s a bandaid fix for bad parenting.
Better to tell them “never give away your real name, address, or age”, and “never ask for the same of someone else”. And that when they see something awful, it’s best to talk with their parents about it. Kids need to grow up safely, yes, but they should also be independent, not boxed in by helicopter parents.
When I was younger, I was often on the internet and mostly just visited the safe sites. Occassionally I saw the one off scary site but I knew to avoid it later then, or talked about it irl with friends and family.
Wow. Porn really destroyed this mans life. What a tragic tale.
If jacking off constantly at age 14 doomed a person we would never have left the Miocene epoch.
We would have gone extinct before we discovered fire.
Tho not so prevelant in this current timeline with internet access, there is a global phenomenon that most little boys can attest to. When we were growing up, there was forest porn. No one knew how it got there. No one claimed it. But in every town, county, village, city, et al, there were some woods with forest porn.
I do not condone children viewing porn because they are not mentally or emotionally ready for that. However, I do know it exists and gosh, it seems to me that some proper parenting skills would solve a lot of problems.
Forest porn was absolute roided out boomer oriented garbage. Worst slop you’ve seen a billion times.
On the other hand, the early videos with the old Lady teaching 13yr old me how to eat someone out and anatomy were better sex ed than school and “the talk”(didn’t happen lol) combined.
Yeah that's interesting, actually in 5th or 6th grade one of the girls stole such a magazine from her older brother and brought it to school to show it around for some reason.
It’s not like it can’t happen, i also found porn very early on. I got addicted and it ruined my early sex life. Real women weren’t “exciting” anymore and I’d lost my sensitivity as well.
This is NOT the solution but it’s also not not an issue
Thank you for speaking up. I’m going to share a bit of my experience (unrelated to you, OP.)
I suspect (from my experience dating men) that the desensitivity issue is more common than most people will admit. Few men want to admit that their dick doesn’t work properly, and a subset of those men will attempt to frame this problem as a benefit instead (“I can keep going for so long without cumming, it’s my super power!”) I don’t expect most men will talk with each other like this, but it’s one of the justifications such men tell their partners.
From the partner’s perspective, I hate to have to say this, but… no, it’s not a power. It’s a weakness. A desensitized dick turns sex into a frustrating act that only ends when I get physically sore. If he doesn’t have that “natural stopping point” that usually signals an end to penetration, and the act still feels good to him - he doesn’t want to stop, so why would he? But it’s a very different experience from the “receiving” partner’s perspective. Most people who “receive” in sex don’t want to keep going until they end up in pain. We don’t want to always be the buzz-kill whose role is to decide, “Okay, sex time is over!” I want to have fun, too; not be the playground monitor that has to announce when recess is finished. Going on and on is a porn fantasy, and just like many porn fantasies, it’s not that fun in real life.
The issue of porn-induced desensitivity is absolutely real. However, taking away people’s privacy online is not the solution. These laws are absolutely absurd and a terrifying glimpse of the future the fascists in power are aiming toward. (And for anyone overly-concerned about my sex life that feels the need to chime in with advice - I learned from the lessons of my past, and I share those lessons in hopes that others can learn from it too.)
The problem seems to have more to do with lack of proper sex education and social pressure rather than pornography. Why did he have to feel so ashamed that he isolated himself? That’s a real issue here!
Addiction to porn is not a real thing. No reputable source classifies compulsive viewing of porn as an addiction as far as I know. These people just find it to be a convenient excuse for their compulsions.
How about parents supervise their own kids them-fuckin’-selves?
Naturally is a problem of the parents and of nobody else, but the childrens are only an excuse of legislators to impose control, the only reason. If not the children than are crimes or terrorism to justify surveillance. More fascist an gov, more censorship, more biased information and less privacy is supported, it’s an axiom, the best citizen is an ignorant and submissive one. “First they banned childs from porn sites, than they banned anonym access to Wikipedia and VPN…” recipe how to cook a frog
docs.house.gov/…/HHRG-117-GO02-20220407-SD018.pdf
Repeating history by the same assholes to kill the free and open internet and information.
Stop blocking Wikipedia
I guess it’s just too late for all those children that viewed porn. The piles of their dead bodies must be enormous!
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Governments have persistently censored and surveilled the internet ever-more on the basis of “but the children :(” without ever doing a single actually good thing for the children like decreasing class sizes or letting parents spend more time with their children. Both of which would actually help address the issue.
This is the equivalent of abstinence education, just keep 'em ignorant and then when they finally see porn on superundergroundillegalporn.com.illegal it’ll just be 10x worse.
Unironically, I think there’s upsides for children being under silly and arbitrary rules that they have to figure out how get around.
Sure, at home or school. Enforced by parents or teachers, not by society on everyone.
Society doesn't do shit... They take it like obedient dogs they are
This will enforced by the government and at a gun point if needed.
Anything the society allows their government to do, it bears responsibilty for. Doesn’t matter if your average citizen takes an active role. If they don’t take an active role in resisting, or at least sub-verting or sabotaging, they don’t need or deserve your excuses.
I am all about the french cutlery but this is still a bit heavy for me.
I mean, extending it down to the individual level for every detail of law is a bit of a stretch, but my point was that the actions of government are a consequence of the actions or inaction of society-at-large. Individuals who want to distance themselves from the actions of a fascist government and still count themselves part of that jurisdiction’s society should take some sort of action, even anonymously.
If they are to be counted as victims, it serves no-one for them to pretend that main-stream society(or society beyond whatever group they identify with) is blameless or a solid ally versus that government.
“Society” as a concept is more prone to excluding those without power or influence; It de facto includes those with the means to steer government.
I don't disagree with the basic premise of personal responsibility but that terming has american political connotations so I prefer to frame as direct action.
So yeah every adult is responsible for taking direct action to resist and obstruct exploitation of the working class.
If enough people did direct action and upgraded that to act in solidarity with each other. It would take like 20-30% of adult population to start rolling back some of the abuse.
But even this framing is found to be inflammatory onhere on reddit you get banned for it.
God forbid you tell somebody to stop using doordash 🤡
This is so fucking stupid, you cannot stop VPNs, because things like ShadowSocks exist. When will they learn that the only way to stop VPNs is to disable the internet completely. As long as the internet exists, VPNs will too. Ask your friend Xi Jinping about that.
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Xi Jinping will be more than happy to provide consultation work for the UK government. Stop giving them ideas.
VPN use in China is effectively banned. Big corporations serve shittier Facebook that 99% of the population is satisfied with.
Having spent the last year living in China I can tell you that about 50% of the people I asked have them. I even ended up using one recommended by a local because it worked better than the western one I had been using.
And yet people in still china use VPN when wanting to access outside of their own net.
I read comments and posts from Chinese posters who go through VPNs regularly.
children figuring out VPNs in a week while these bumfucks (state that they) didn’t manage to understand it in the years they’ve been given just goes to show the many orders of magnitudes of difference in their intelligence
No, this is intentional, the ultimate goal is a censored internet a la China. This was just the easiest gateway to doing that.
They are coming for VPNs next.
The normie gonna keep saying how stupid the law markers are as he is being cooked like an idiot
tbf it’s probably both corruption and incompetence, not just one or the other
Never attribute to incompetence that which can also be attributed to malice.
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Same religious garbage they’ve been trying to pull for the last 75+ years.
“Someone think of the CHILDREN!!!”.
They scream, as they take away your rights to information, privacy, and anything else that they possibly can. They don’t want you to have rights.
The people who tell you think of the children and people who rape children... There is a degree of correlation that should make everyone uncomfortable
The link between them is “using children as leverage for power”
He says with 2TB of CSAM on his computer
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I agree, using saas services is a curse.
If you don’t self host your goon llm she’s a prostitute
I’ve been biting my tongue hard these past few months in a concerted effort not to be offensive. I’m not trying to be intentionally offensive, however, I feel there is an element in this situation that is being disregarded in favor of someone else doing your work. When I say ‘You’, Your’, etc, I mean it in the royal sense. So, warm up the downvote finger and man the flame throwers.
If it’s genuinely for the children, then when are we going to require parents to be parents? Look, you brought this service into your home voluntarily. You might say ‘Well I need it for work’ or ‘I need it for school’. Tons of people use hundreds of thousands of hotspots daily to do their thing on the internet. This service you voluntarily brought into your house, has both the ability to be highly beneficial and highly detrimental all in the same breath. Technology always, always, always wields a double edged sword.
And what do the majority of parents do with such power? They give it to their vulnerable, under aged, highly curious, children, un-monitored, uncensored, and uninhibited. Are you insane? So when little Johnny is caught surfing porn hub, the parents freak and cry out to their government ‘We need to ban porn!’ No! What we need is for parents to be parents.
There are literally hundreds of services, and ways to lock down your internet. I hear parents say ‘I’m not technologically inclined.’ Get there. The safety and well being of your children hang in the balance. Take a class at your local Tech College. I’d be willing to bet that when little Johnny’s mom was pregnant, she most likely did some reading on the topic. Some even take a class on childbirth. The internet should be no different. Access one or two of the billions of tuts out on the internet.
Now, will locking down your internet like a multi-billion dollar enterprise with a Brinks Kit keep little Johnny from seeing some skin? No! Why? Because it’s natural for humans to want to see what other humans look like naked. Children are naturally inquisitive. The prime directive of all life is to replicate. So, have frank, open, direct, and yes, awkward conversations with your children. Let them know in no uncertain terms what is acceptable on your network. Tell them why these things are not appropriate for their age group. This relationship with your children starts at Day 1.
You have 18 years of boot camp to equip your children with all the tools necessary to make wise, prudent decisions in life. You probably taught them how to ride a bicycle, or drive a car, or any number of teaching opportunities parents have with their children. The internet should be no different. We live in a technological time line that is ever changing, so it behooves parents to know exactly what is going on with their technology and how their children are using it. Get with it.
Being a parent takes work. Being a network administrator also takes work. Anyone who is a seasoned veteran of this chan knows, to secure a network in order to be as private, secure, and anonymous as possible on the internet, takes work. I find, a large portion of parents are unwilling to do the work and would rather fob off their responsibilities as a parent, to the government having jurisdiction. I’m not painting all parents with this brush. Kudos to parents who are very involved in their children’s lives. There are enough of them tho, that are not, and this is a big issue. It gives governments the justification they desire to surveil their citizenry.
Let the roast begin.
Nobody’s booing you because you’re right
I grew up with the internet and I turned up jjuuuuusstt fine
Can’t tell if serious. I am older than the internet. I’m not sure what that has to do with the issues of governmental surveillance under the guise of ‘for the chirren.’
I know you’re being facetious but same and actually.
I’m not totally fine but I’m not not fine either, and I would say it’s kind of because the internet but it’s also not because the internet.
Either way, mom and dad would have had no chance of stopping me unless they turned the house into 1984 in 1996, which would have been way worse than anything the internet did to me (except for all the shit we’re living through of course !)
“I need internet at home for work!” - Okay, so plug in the one computer you work on? Do you really need to blast 100% of your home with internet via Wi-Fi, probably not. Even if you do (for some reason), why do you then also have to give little Timmy a Wi-Fi capable tablet at all? Download some episodes of Paw Patrol and let your kid watch them offline…
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Goddamnit… they’re right…
throws toys out the pram
the best way to protect kids is to stop dosing them up with antidepressants and iPads their entire childhood let them touch grass and live in normal communities full of people who don’t want to either behead them or rape them to death. let them hide behind bike sheds sharing their few crumpled pages of the contraband girly magazine. what will definitely not protect them is by slowly creeping towards a whitelist internet where isps are only allowed to direct traffic to government approved websites from those webmasters who can afford to pay the registration fee or no doubt lobby bribe to the politicians involved in approval.
Uhh what?
Holy dog whistle
The hell? Antidepressants literally saved my life
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…not really. Bat shit insane, sure.
I know none of this is actually about protecting kids… But even if it was, their reasoning and methodology sucks.
So there may have been a problem at least 10 years ago. Does that problem still exist? (never mind the obvious “is the problem parents ignoring their kids on a tablet”…)
Okay, now let’s address the parents being the problem. By default, Google’s “Safe Search” is on, and the kid actively searched for porn. So no parental supervision of the 12 year old kid on the internet. Someone setup a google account, and changed the default settings to show those results. (oh, but that person is 25 now, so that was also 13 years ago…)
Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these “problems” if parents actually used them. Parents being willfully ignorant isn’t going to be resolved by legislation. They know that. This is all a smoke screen to put the entire population behind a firewall and control the narrative. It isn’t even a very thick smoke screen.
Nope. Parental controls in general suck and are often bare bones just for a semblance of legal compliance. Parents don’t have access to every device children have access to either
Either parents or the school… and if the school doesn’t have a pretty significantly locked down network, that’s a separate problem.
Also, you’re right, I misspoke. While some of the bigger websites have decent-ish parental controls, I was more thinking of device specific parental controls. The amount you can lock-down (and monitor) a phone you give your 12 year old is pretty impressive. I’d rather parents did that than hand the monitoring, censoring, and access over to various government agencies all over the world.
They’re probably thinking --> “Damn it, how dare these future employees watch pornography and undermine their motivation to work?”
Could we take wind out of the excuse “it’s to protect the children” by implementing a signal like DoNotTrack/GPC but for NSFW content?
How about tell the parents to pay attention to what their fucking kids are doing online instead of dragging the rest of us into it?
I don’t think helicopter parenting is the solution.
Well they should just leave it be, but If they have to do something better that than invading everyone else’s privacy and ruining the internet.
When you teach your child to look both ways before they cross the street, is that helicopter parenting? Or how about when you teach them not to talk to strangers even if the stranger is wearing a uniform? Do you allow children into your liquor cabinet to pour themselves a tall shot of whiskey? Etc et al. I don’t consider it helicopter parenting to put age appropriate restrictions on what your child can engage with on your network. I call that sound, responsible, parenting.
It’s not about what you teach them. You can teach them whatever you want, it doesn’t mean they’re going to do it. The only way to stop them from doing it is to hover over them (hence the term helicopter).
Teaching a child isn’t about creating robots. I said it earlier in this thread, but you have 18 years of bootcamp to equip your child with all the tools necessary to make, wise, prudent decisions in life. You’re not going to be there, hopping out of bushes, wagging your finger at them forever. However, while they are in your charge, they are your resopnsibility to keep safe and secure. You are the network admin.
I don’t understand what any of that has to do with this conversation.
I think they didn’t get what the fake argument of these politicians were and just jumped to hating children+parents.
What about the basics of a responsible parent?
…what about them?
You think basic parental duties is helicopter parenting?
Listen, can you just explain yourself instead of going back and forth and asking senseless questions?
I don’t believe monitoring your child’s online habits is “helicopter parenting.” It’s just being a responsible parent.
How about nobody else’a fucking children are anybody else’s fucking problem.
Fuck your stupid fucking kids.
Not literally of course. I’m not a republican.
You are cursing at the scapegoats. Don’t fall into this trap.
They’re not scapegoats. It’s the parents responsibility to keep an eye on their kids. The scapegoats are the rest of us having to give up our privacy.
Maybe you should google what “scapegoat” means.
Scapegoat is the person being falsely blamed for a problem. Children looking at shit they shouldn’t be online is the parents fault for not supervising them or utilizing any of the numerous parental control options available to them.
In this case the rest us are being blamed for that problem by being forced to deal with a bunch of privacy invading bullshit to fix it.
Talk more openly about how none of these people give a fuck about protecting kids, and just want to
make life shitty for everyone including themgrab power.Point out bad faith and don’t let it be about anything else, until it actually is. We can’t get anywhere because nobody’s actually dealing with the actual situation, which is people lying publicly.
Stop going along with that shit. Every time you talk about the fake issue, you’re helping them by pretending they’re telling the truth when they aren’t.
Its simple. Give them more control and power over you or youre a pedophile.
Pedophile or minor, there isn’t another option in the UK. Just let us know you’re old enough and when you view porn.
Their families are in for a rude awakening.
Some people can only take so much abuse before they snap and take it out on their abusers.
Parents really need to prevent the watching of pornography by children. That’s getting out of control.
No VPN ban or OSA-style BS needed.
Who would have ever thought a small amount of water would ever fall on meeeeeeee??!
I mean who was asking for the government to show their ID to view porn as the solution to children having access to pornographic material (has never been an issue until now randomly)
Don’t believe for a second that this is about children.
Imagine the policies of someone who actually cared about children’s wellbeing? Those policies would not look like bans or restrictions for the children.
Google and Microsoft have to be dragged kicking and squealing into proper policy that actually damages their business models.
They have been completely silent on these age verification checks, in Aus this is being implemented by an un-elected government official whose career was largely working for Microsoft for the past 20 years.
This is all about data mining.
It’s always been an issue as in they’ve always used children as an excuse to enact laws that are bad for everyone. I’ve seen this shit since at least the 2000s
It just comes back every other year or so, and they only have to pass those laws once
This is just patient people trying to fuck over everyone else, so I imagine it’s probably at least in part religious organizations who push for this and now again they’ll pay shelves in the back in how successful they are with ensuring everyone will be as pious as they are
I hope they die
Literally.
Because id they’d all die, the world would be such a nice place again
Alt-right Christians. They’ve been saying for ages that all porn should be banned and I guess the government took this as an excuse to invade our privacy “legally.”
Even if kids see porn the lessons they learn are directly a result of how their parents approach the topic with them. Public education can’t functionally provide useful sex ed due to politics.
I guess if you can blame your kids for breaking the law you never have to have “the talk” with them.
By a bunch of religious assholes that want more power
By a bunch of corporate assholes that want more money
By a bunch of politician assholes that want more power
Did I forget anyone? Nobody wants this, none of this has to do with child safety, it’s all transparent lies to get more for them and less for us. Let’s break the entire internet so that a very small group has more
Fuck all of you assholes, o hope you all die soon, the world would be souch better and nicer.
I think they will ban vpns but as this article hints at, more regulation
So SSH tunneling it is
That is until encryption is outlawed altogether making the internet truly a horrible place to be
Just for the UK, the rest of the world can still have their own internet with encryption.
I think that would look like implementing backdoors, which is of course an effective end to encryption. I have thought of how Steganography could be used to hide the a message and hide the fact your using encryption. I would imagine this would only be useful for messaging purposes however.
Like all things that are prohibited it will just go underground.
So long as two computers are able to talk to one an other it will be possible to encrypt that traffic>
Oh of course but the problem is that it still has to pass through routers that, if they can’t understand the package content, will block / report/ whatever is needed. Now, I know I can still hide encrypted stuff in plain sight, but it would wreck open protocols like SSH
I’m getting to the point where I’d rather see csam legalized than this shit. (Keep reading)
Think about it: csam will happen, period. I’m not world’s best computer engineer but even Incan build something that embeds data like text or images in other files in ways that cannot be detected. I can build basic but effective encryption that will be hard enough to crack. I can find ways to exchange files outside the internet, hell, do sneakernet
And kids watching porn online? They’ll have their buddies who have libraries that will be copied. A single USB drive can contain days of porn videos and you can’t stop that either
Then there are these laws that “are to protect children” which makes me just outright want to vomit. You take victims of child pornography and use them for your political gain, for your power. You are almost worse than pedophiles. At least pedophiles harm only one child, you harm all of them you sack of fucking shit.
And no, of course I don’t want child pornography legalized, of course not by what is the solution?
These assholes have been at it for decades now and they play the long game. They can lose every year and come back next year. They only have to win once and they move on to he next good thing they can destroy.
So what can we actually really seriously do to stop this?
We had hardcore magazines that circulated back in the days before easy internet. Guess the last time children didn’t have access was probably in the 18th century or so.
Guess the next step is controlling all chat groups, emails and cloud spaces to “avoid children exploiting these”…
I think we just have to accept that no solution is 100%. You just need some balance between success and side effects.
As long as people can communicate, it will to some extent spread. So really, the only truly 100% solution would be a couple of nuclear bombs all around the world. Look at that, crime rates went to 0!
I am not really intelligent or knowledgeable enough to provide best-balance solutions.
Anyway, as far as limiting access to porn, perhaps it could be done privately. You could have some trusted verification platform, perhaps even government provided, deal with it with cryptographic signature, maybe as I said, I am too dumb for solutions.
My idea is, the website that wants to verify your age knows the public key of the government provided service used for this purpose (who already has your data anyway), and generates some random data in base64. You copy that, paste it into the verification website, they sign it, and give you the base64-encoded response. You then paste the response into website that wants to verify your age, it verifies the signature and then that you’re 18+.
Basically just trusted authority saying “verified being 18+”. The website doesn’t know who you are, verification system doesn’t know what you wanted that verification for.
Of course, you could verify that for anyone else, but I can also walk into a shop, buy cigarettes, alcohol and give them to a kid. Not 100%, but good enough.
I’m so fucking sick of losing my rights to protect other people’s kids. I don’t have any fucking kids. Why don’t they apply their idiotic rules to those that do and leave the rest of us be.
Because it’s all an excuse to eliminate all privacy. The empire doesn’t survive if the workers are allowed to communicate freely.
I know. If they really cared about protecting kids they could force ISPs to sell a whitelisted or blacklisted “Family” service. They could even go further into insanity and force parents to only use that service until their kids turn 18. They could even force parents to install tracking software to make sure kids only connect to safe networks and use school registration records to keep track of homes with children.
Of course that’s all rediculous, but obviously they don’t want to protect kids. They want to take away our rights and privacy and with the way politicians all over the world have been harping about falling birthrates, making it harder to access porn might cause fewer people to use it in the hope that more people have kids.
Bullshit, ISPs are not responsible for kids either. That’s the parents’ job, not any company’ or government’.
I agree completely. I was giving a rediculously extreme example of a way they could actually try to protect kids from porn if that really was their goal.
Keep watching this bit, so you dont focus on the other bit… which will be to attack end to end encryption in message apps. ie you must put a back door in, so we can see who is saying what, whenever we want.
This labour government, makes me want tories back. Thats how fucking bad they are.
you know, a federal europe with a shared, rotated heads of governments (always at least 3 countries) would help a lot, geopolitically too come back you fools, we miss you. Put Starmer and Farage together into a padded cell and let them fight it out
It is not about the children, nor their parents. Redirect your anger towards the perpetrators, not towards the scapegoats…
I have no anger towards children or parents in general. I just think it’s the parent’s responsibility to monitor their kids not the government’s. Thus, the only people who should be affected by rediculous rules and laws that “protect children” are people who have children. Plus, there are plenty and religious and right wing parents who support shit like this.
I have 2 kids, and I can’t agree more. My kids have PCs with Linux, I control and monitor everything they do in them, and teach them to use technology responsibly. That’s my job, not any government’s.
I keep saying this. People have kids, but then don’t want the responsibility that carries with it.
Some software recommendations? I mean, I don’t have kids, but I like Linux and it doesn’t hurt to know where to perhaps point someone.
So far I only seen Veyon in action, but only for monitoring and remote control of multiple PCs, which probably doesn’t fit home environment.
Very true, more parents should be like you. Unfortunately, I’ve known many parents who are completely fucking neglectful and when their kid fucks up or gets caught doing something they’re not supposed to they look for anyone or anything besides themselves to blame.
I’ve only known one person who I could honestly say was a good parent. She sacrificed everything to give her 2 sons a great life. She did everything and only put a reasonable amount of responsibility on her kids to help out. She didn’t date or go out, she sacrificed her own needs and basically was always working and active in her kids life. One of her son’s was autistic and needed a lot of extra attention and care and the other turned out to be the most responsible and well adjusted dude I’ve ever known. I wish more parents were like her.
Dude, that was my mom, and with 4 kids. I believe that my brother and I, even more so than my 2 sisters, are the type of parents we are because of how my mom raised us. And I got beat regularly on suspicion alone (but I was always suspicious, so there’s that) by her, and today, I could not be more grateful of the mom God gave us. My kids have never been even spanked, no so much as a slap on the wrist, and they go insane when I tell them about how we were raised.
My mom knew every single one of our friends and their parents, and they kept regular communication over the phone. It really took a village to raise a kid 🤣
Also, give up your rights for the kids, but don’t ask for any justice towards the royal pedophile prince, that’s bad.
Also, no more free school lunches, think of the children.
Because we’re fine with kids not having rights, but when anyone else gets mildly screwed by regulation like this we get angry. Great. How about we did something about it before it started affecting us?
Who is voting for these people?
I have a feeling that this is another example of the ruling class doing whatever it wants regardless of what the working class wants.
Our representatives do not represent us.
I’m a parent and I’m sick of it too. It’s so incredibly easy to monitor your kid today as modern parental control system literally do most of the work for you. Also you can just talk and be honest with your kids - 12-16 year olds are pretty smart contrary to what some want you to think.
Literally no one likes this except the bottom of the barrel brain washed idiots. I’m not a conspiracist but I meet other parents and while I’m not based in the UK, porn access was never an issue for any parent so this just reeks of propaganda.
Seriously, they build parental controls into pretty much all modern devices and there’s plenty of 3rd party software for added functionality and customization. The tools are there for parents. All they have to do is enable and configure them.
I think people who support this shit and other other laws that strip our rights away are virtue signaling, neglectful/lazy, or like you said completely brainwashed. I think that those in power want to slowly work towards banning porn completely and not just in the UK. I’ve said it elsewhere, but politicians and rich assholes like Elon Musk are worried about birthrates falling and this is just one of many tactics to try to get people to have more kids.
The 3rd party apps cost max 100$ a year and does almost everything for you (with plenty of good free 1st party options like Google Family Link). All you have to do is review the alerts and configure screen time and you still let your kids retain good amount of privacy. It’s insane how easy it is these days so there are no excuses for any parent, period.
What an obnoxious excuse, there are far worse problems children have to face besides bad parenting.
Age restrict vpns…
booo
Either introduce legislation that enforces standardized parental controls for parents to monitor or shut the fuck up.
Watching the children whack off and being judgemental is Yahweh’s job, not his ministers.
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vpns being more regulated than guns aren't politicians awesome
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This pisses me off so much. They don’t give a single solitary fuck about kids OR their safety online. If they did, they wouldn’t do it like this. If/when I have kids, they’re not getting a smartphone until they turn 14. Until then, they’ll be using a flip phone to contact me. THAT’S how you create a safe online environment for kids, not by banning VPNs which takes away privacy rights from everyone else. They just want to control us and take our right to privacy away but they don’t realize that a strict government creates the best liars. If they ban VPNs, people WILL find a way to consume whatever content they desire regardless of what the government says. This can only end badly and make life hell for everyone below a certain tax bracket. Although, I guess that was their goal at the very beginning so I’m just being redundant.
Kids with access to porn will put it on flash drives and sell it to other kids. Are they gonna ban flash drives next?
No the next thing will be to ban porn completely. Look at Project 2025. It’s in the list. Granted this is a US based initiative but other countries seem to be speed running the checklist.
lol like that is even possible.
Humans have been making porn since we could symbolize things.
When you have a shit-ton of money and a system rigged in your favor, anything’s possible. Hell, for example, if they found a way to ban sexual acts and procreation (what we’ve been doing since the beginning of our species) whatsoever and restrict it to selected individuals that THEY choose, they’d change the laws to suit them, begin the brainwashing of their supporters under the guise of “the greater good,” and then they’d do it and everyone that voted for it would act surprised like any of what happened wasn’t foretold years prior.
Hence boobies on cave walls….
Or those “ritual fertility goddess” statues they found everywhere
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did tbh. The ones at the top get what they want and if they see flash drives as a threat, they’ll try to ban 'em.
The theme throughout my entire life is more and more control. I can’t even go from point A to point B in my city without being recorded every step of the way.
Starting to look like a Big Brother future.
The thing that annoys me the most about it (well, aside from the massive invasion of civil liberties and general dystopian behaviour) is that we don’t even get any of the fringe benefits of it. By that I mean, if I contact the government because I need some information about myself (recent examples: vaccine history, polling information, National Insurance query etc.) they act as if they’ve never been contacted by a person before and seem to immediately go into a panic and send you in a big loop of Other People Who Might Have It, with the end goal seeming to be “nobody knows where it is, let’s just hope they give up and stop asking.”
Like if the government must insist on tracking every single thing I do and say and look at and place I go to, the least they could do is actually have that info to hand so I can use it too. It seems the more they track us, the less capable they are of actually doing anything useful with that information.
Does the government actually own all this information about us though? Or is it all outsourced with various private companies?
It’s both.
I skipped a word in that title and read
Stop using VPNs to watch porn, ministers told
Which i prefer, honestly
Our representatives do not represent us.
They were all bought decades ago.
Is it still legal for parents to cut up baby dicks there?
“Think of the children” is always bullshit.
Stop touching boys inappropriately
Ministers want it all for themselves! Ha!
Yeah, they want VPN for themselves to watch their CSAM. And to fight CSAM you have to let government sedan all your data and communication.