Exactly. And "leftists" are as hell- bent on division as rightists. We're on the same side, if people could set aside differences and focus on similarities, that would be great.
ETA qualification. I am talking about Americans, sorry.
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org
on 02 Mar 20:31
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Cigarettes and meth are both bad for your health. One is much worse than the other though.
“Division” is good when one side is fucking Nazis who are literally Sieg Hiel saluting each other. You’re not supposed to get along with or cooperate with Nazis. Stop with this bullshit false equivalence. At this point it’s downright dangerous.
Historical facts. Both those wars would have gone very differently if not for working with people with whom we had ideological differences.
doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml
on 02 Mar 23:19
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Are you saying the US-Afghan war could’ve been successful? Or do you think it was successful, and somehow a result of working with ideological differences?
“leftists” are as hell- bent on division as rightists
and then cited an example where we cooperated with communists (leftists) to defeat Nazis (right-wing fascists). Seems to me that we should always cooperate with leftists and never cooperate with Nazis. Again, what is your point?
My point is that being saying,
“leftists” are as hell- bent on division as rightists
You are watering down history and making a dangerous false equivalence. We are dealing with Nazis right now, and it seems to me that your point is that we should “settle our differences” and try to work with them. If that is your point of view (I’m hoping it’s not), that is really short-sighted. Nazi ideology does not involve compromise. It involves systematically killing anyone who does not look/think/act like you.
and then cited an example where we cooperated with communists (leftists)
I agree communists are leftists, and have been demonized by the West to support literal Nazis. My point was the ideological differences.
To your other points, when history has been seriously abridged and outright altered, in what institutions of education have been teaching since the original Red Scare (which never ended), most conservative voters a. Don't t realize these are fascistic ideals, and b, a lot of them are genuinely horrified by how far this has gone.
We see the same problems, but assess causes and solutions differently. I literally spoke with s maga voter in the last six months who is probably really hurting right now, due to current and ongoing policy. I asked why our tax dollars don't go to actual taxpayers. He thought about that a minute rightly assessed that it is because politicians and corporations are greedy and selfserving. The light was beginning to flicker. Unfortunately the conversation was interrupted, and he lives in a different state. We can make a difference, but the will had to exist.
It's going to be ugly, and I'm... Well not okay with it, but will do what needs doing. I'm saying there are plenty reachable who would work with us. Anyway, I didn't pay attention to the server at the time. I have been seeing American leftists calling each other Nazis. Truth be told, capitalism is fascististic AF, and we didn't guard the guardrails. But the magas who are reachable either aren't saying things out loud, and I'm sure that's plenty of them too. Others are reaching out and helping addicts, non-religious, other religious, other hued, LGBT. And maybe that's just because I'm in a small farm rural area. There is one who's openly an issue and one who says the right things but gives me the * heebies, for no logical reason. And the other hued who are disturbingly ye reminiscent.
thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz
on 02 Mar 20:44
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Neither did he last administration and neither will the next.
That’s like saying that neither tepid bath water nor boiling tea water are “cold.”
I don’t actually agree that your analogy applies, because it ignores my point.
Neither “side” (as if there were only a binary choice but that’s how they want you to think) wants you to have privacy. Be united with those who want to fight for those rights instead of divided on other policies which are political smokescreens.
Maybe a better analogy is that we are drowning in water that is not cold, maybe it’s tepid and maybe its boiling. But arguing over which is worse really doesn’t matter because we’ll be dead in a minute anyway.
The explanation is that they will just use this shit to target whomever they please regardless of reason. This is how fascism works.
It is meant to be confusing. Stop trying to rationalize it, you’re wasting energy.
unknown1234_5@kbin.earth
on 02 Mar 22:38
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There is no 'lawful access' without a warrant or my permission. there aren't laws saying padlocks need to support a government master key, and encryption is just a digital lock.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 03 Mar 04:18
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With a pad lock they do have a key though. Bolt cutters.
Bolt cutters are not a key, they are a method of bypassing the lock. they still need a warrant to do that, which is the point.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 03 Mar 05:53
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The laws don’t exist though because they’re so easily circumvented. If you AES256 encrypt something today, there’s an extremely lonely chance they can’t crack it. For years.
With a padlock they can just pull out the cutters and they’re done.
I’m just referring to your point on why there are no laws against padlocks in this context.
fair enough, padlock was the wrong type of lock for the analogy. how about a vault door? sure that may not be as common, but you don't have to support a government master key for those either.
Same thing goes for vaults, or all physical locks. It may take a little longer than a padlock but nothing comparable to the amount of time it would take to brute force good encryption. We’re talking maybe a couple of hours or days for a vault vs. millions of years.
What do you think the line is? When will it cross over and become acceptable to call it “fascism”? Because we’ve embodied Eco’s 14 features of Ur-Fascism for like 20 years. We now have a de facto dictator who is using that framework to do explicitly fascist things… Where is the line?
It’s not my responsibility to make the FBI’s job (or any cop’s job) easier.
Also, folks should be using 3rd party open-source encryption, like VeraCrypt and a password manager that encrypts the database, like Keepass. Don’t ever expect governments and corporations to respect your privacy.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 03 Mar 00:31
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Well too bad.
I want a pony
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You’d better get ready to fight for it, because it’s coming. This administration doesn’t give two shits about your rights and freedoms.
Neither did he last administration and neither will the next. They want us polarized and fighting each other so we don’t fight them.
Exactly. And "leftists" are as hell- bent on division as rightists. We're on the same side, if people could set aside differences and focus on similarities, that would be great.
ETA qualification. I am talking about Americans, sorry.
Cigarettes and meth are both bad for your health. One is much worse than the other though.
Well continue on doing what you've always done, surely you'll get a different result this time.
“Division” is good when one side is fucking Nazis who are literally Sieg Hiel saluting each other. You’re not supposed to get along with or cooperate with Nazis. Stop with this bullshit false equivalence. At this point it’s downright dangerous.
I am talking about citizens. What if we had this attitude about Russia during WW2 and Afghanistan? Please close your eyes and try to imagine that.
Nothing you’re saying makes sense actually. What are you talking about?
Historical facts. Both those wars would have gone very differently if not for working with people with whom we had ideological differences.
Are you saying the US-Afghan war could’ve been successful? Or do you think it was successful, and somehow a result of working with ideological differences?
You said:
and then cited an example where we cooperated with communists (leftists) to defeat Nazis (right-wing fascists). Seems to me that we should always cooperate with leftists and never cooperate with Nazis. Again, what is your point?
My point is that being saying,
You are watering down history and making a dangerous false equivalence. We are dealing with Nazis right now, and it seems to me that your point is that we should “settle our differences” and try to work with them. If that is your point of view (I’m hoping it’s not), that is really short-sighted. Nazi ideology does not involve compromise. It involves systematically killing anyone who does not look/think/act like you.
I agree communists are leftists, and have been demonized by the West to support literal Nazis. My point was the ideological differences.
To your other points, when history has been seriously abridged and outright altered, in what institutions of education have been teaching since the original Red Scare (which never ended), most conservative voters a. Don't t realize these are fascistic ideals, and b, a lot of them are genuinely horrified by how far this has gone.
We see the same problems, but assess causes and solutions differently. I literally spoke with s maga voter in the last six months who is probably really hurting right now, due to current and ongoing policy. I asked why our tax dollars don't go to actual taxpayers. He thought about that a minute rightly assessed that it is because politicians and corporations are greedy and selfserving. The light was beginning to flicker. Unfortunately the conversation was interrupted, and he lives in a different state. We can make a difference, but the will had to exist.
Nazis are citizens. Unfortunately.
It's going to be ugly, and I'm... Well not okay with it, but will do what needs doing. I'm saying there are plenty reachable who would work with us. Anyway, I didn't pay attention to the server at the time. I have been seeing American leftists calling each other Nazis. Truth be told, capitalism is fascististic AF, and we didn't guard the guardrails. But the magas who are reachable either aren't saying things out loud, and I'm sure that's plenty of them too. Others are reaching out and helping addicts, non-religious, other religious, other hued, LGBT. And maybe that's just because I'm in a small farm rural area. There is one who's openly an issue and one who says the right things but gives me the * heebies, for no logical reason. And the other hued who are disturbingly ye reminiscent.
That’s like saying that neither tepid bath water nor boiling tea water are “cold.”
I don’t actually agree that your analogy applies, because it ignores my point.
Neither “side” (as if there were only a binary choice but that’s how they want you to think) wants you to have privacy. Be united with those who want to fight for those rights instead of divided on other policies which are political smokescreens.
Maybe a better analogy is that we are drowning in water that is not cold, maybe it’s tepid and maybe its boiling. But arguing over which is worse really doesn’t matter because we’ll be dead in a minute anyway.
My life would be much worse if I lived through a boiling water bath than if I managed to live through a room temperature bath, so very good analogy.
The eugenicists running the country have cooked it already so even if we survive it’s still horribly damaged forever.
How the fuck are people still this clueless. Talk to anyone who is learned on US history and ask them if this is the same as previous administrations.
lmao no government does
So get a warrant.
any ‘lawful’ access that’s baked-in will also be used and exploited ‘unlawfully’.
They understand this 100%
And they don’t give a shit 100%
It’s the entire fucking point.
fbi want direct access to encrypted data while simultaneously also all data to be encrypted in order to be protected from china?
do explain how this is all going to work because it’s extremely confusing.
The explanation is that they will just use this shit to target whomever they please regardless of reason. This is how fascism works.
It is meant to be confusing. Stop trying to rationalize it, you’re wasting energy.
There is no 'lawful access' without a warrant or my permission. there aren't laws saying padlocks need to support a government master key, and encryption is just a digital lock.
With a pad lock they do have a key though. Bolt cutters.
Bolt cutters are not a key, they are a method of bypassing the lock. they still need a warrant to do that, which is the point.
The laws don’t exist though because they’re so easily circumvented. If you AES256 encrypt something today, there’s an extremely lonely chance they can’t crack it. For years.
With a padlock they can just pull out the cutters and they’re done.
I’m just referring to your point on why there are no laws against padlocks in this context.
fair enough, padlock was the wrong type of lock for the analogy. how about a vault door? sure that may not be as common, but you don't have to support a government master key for those either.
Same thing goes for vaults, or all physical locks. It may take a little longer than a padlock but nothing comparable to the amount of time it would take to brute force good encryption. We’re talking maybe a couple of hours or days for a vault vs. millions of years.
so? does the quality of my lock change whether or not I should be allowed to have it?
Lol…
In fascism, if you have the biggest gun, you do what you want. And Trump has the biggest "gun:
I'm talking about legally, and as much as I don't like trump we are not in a fascist country (yet).
What do you think the line is? When will it cross over and become acceptable to call it “fascism”? Because we’ve embodied Eco’s 14 features of Ur-Fascism for like 20 years. We now have a de facto dictator who is using that framework to do explicitly fascist things… Where is the line?
That’s literally what TSA approved locks are… Of course the master keys are freely available to everyone.
yeah, which is why we need to make sure that doesn't happen to other locks (and make the TSA start doing security instead of security theater).
It’s not my responsibility to make the FBI’s job (or any cop’s job) easier.
Also, folks should be using 3rd party open-source encryption, like VeraCrypt and a password manager that encrypts the database, like Keepass. Don’t ever expect governments and corporations to respect your privacy.
I warn FBI. Fuck you.
Thanks for your interest, but I’ll have to pass.
“So don’t make us torture you for encryption keys got it?”
Um, no.
For some reason I’m feeling so Amish… Seems like they were so right with technology risks :-)
What fbi?
No.
What if we don’t store it in the cloud and keep local encrypted storage only? I guess Mr FBI is shit out of luck then.
How do we live in a world where local storage is now the only safe choice?