To those of you with nothing to hide: One day you might have. Because you don’t make the rules. (mullvad.net)
from BrikoX@lemmy.zip to privacy@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:26
https://lemmy.zip/post/18004359

The most common argument used in defense of mass surveillance is ‘If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear’. Try saying that to women in the US states where abortion has suddenly become illegal. Say it to investigative journalists in authoritarian countries. Saying ‘I have nothing to hide’ means you stop caring about anyone fighting for their freedom. And one day, you might be one of them.

#privacy

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GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:35 next collapse

Abortion should be illegal because it violates the UDHR. The UDHR was edited in 2018 to include the right of abortion. Other than that true.

EDIT: sorry for turning this into an off topic political discussion. Didn’t mean to do it here. Delete this comment if you want.

faede@mander.xyz on 25 Jun 2024 19:45 next collapse

Um, pretty sure that is very not correct. reproductiverights.org/un-human-rights-committee-…

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:54 collapse

This information is pretty new. I didn’t know there was the edit.

KevonLooney@lemm.ee on 25 Jun 2024 19:57 next collapse

It’s from 2018. Sounds like what you don’t know could fill a warehouse.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 20:05 collapse

Nobody can ever know even remotely everything. It’s physically impossible. I’m not a lawyer so it’s not even my main sphere of interest.

gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 22:01 collapse

You’re right, nobody can ever know even remotely everything.

Luckily, the same device you used to post that comment can also be used to check if what you are about to say is actually true, so you can prevent yourself from spreading misinformation like this in the future.

AbidanYre@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 19:59 next collapse

10.31.2018

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 20:04 next collapse

Yes ik. My sources were from 2019 or so but I guess they had some outdating issues at that time already.

scott@lem.free.as on 25 Jun 2024 21:39 next collapse

What is the 31st month? Modulo 12 would make it July.

10th July 2021. Gotcha.

user224@lemmy.sdf.org on 26 Jun 2024 13:12 collapse

Aaaaaah! What is that date format?!

ZeroHora@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 20:01 collapse

Further proof that what is illegal or not is volatile.

bloubz@lemmygrad.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:46 next collapse

I don’t think that’s relevant but still curious to know where you think in the Universal Declaration of human rights or in the Déclaration des droits de l’Homme et du citoyen it forbids abortion

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:51 collapse

I’m not French and idk French laws. I was talking about the US.

billgamesh@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:54 next collapse

I don’t think you know US laws either

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:55 collapse

Did I ever claim to?

bloubz@lemmygrad.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:57 collapse

What are you even saying? You were talking about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is NOT a US text. And it is based on the Declaration from France from 1789.

Anyway, the UDHR says that humans are born equal in rights, and that individuals have the right to live. It’s a good question to wonder what is considered an individual indeed. For example, the US law defines an individual as a human being who was born alive

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 20:01 collapse

It is not a US text but it is accepted to work in the US afaik and I’m quite sure of it. Another person told me that the declaration was edited in 2018 to include the right of abortion. I didn’t know about that and I, in contrary to most people in this discussion, am not afraid to admit this and therefore the fact that I was wrong.

bloubz@lemmygrad.ml on 25 Jun 2024 20:40 collapse

Alright then. Good for you

motor_spirit@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 19:48 next collapse

do you live your whole life this confidently incorrect every day?

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:52 collapse

Calling someone’s opinion “incorrect” shows the true nature of you and the people you represent.

GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 19:58 next collapse

That was not an opinion

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 20:02 collapse

Then they should’ve used a different word. “Incorrect opinion” is what only a toxic person would say.

STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world on 26 Jun 2024 19:40 collapse

Can you just take a second to reflect on how inelegantly you have taken being wrong? You made an incorrect assertion of a fact, just accept you made a mistake and move on. Being stubborn and defensive makes you look kind of immature.

Hope you can take this advice

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 19:54 collapse

I did admit my mistake but instead of looking at it, you just decided to falsely accuse me…

STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world on 26 Jun 2024 20:28 collapse

Yes you admitted your mistake. And yes you still acted a bit foolish. That’s not a false accusation, it’s just an accusation.

(THIS is an example of an opinion)

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 20:33 collapse

You accused me in not admitting my mistake after I admitted it. How in the world is this not a false accusation? And what does it have to do with opinions? I know people are toxic now but I’m being surprised by the stupidity of their words every day recently.

subignition@fedia.io on 25 Jun 2024 20:05 next collapse

Abortion should be illegal because it violates the UDHR.

This is an (unsubstantiated) allegation of fact, not an opinion.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 20:09 collapse

I agree because someone told me that the law was edited but the person who replied clearly said “opinion”, not “information”. I do believe that was a sign of toxicity and not just laziness or English issue. As a proof, my own psychological researches confirm that people from similar communities tend to exhibit increased irritability, toxicity and desire of creating exclusive communities.

deranger@sh.itjust.works on 25 Jun 2024 20:31 collapse

Where did they say opinion, I don’t see an edit on their comment.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 07:13 collapse

Huh did I reply to a wrong comment then? I’m pretty sure there was “opinion” in it.

bobs_monkey@lemm.ee on 25 Jun 2024 21:06 collapse

Lol the fact that you think someone presenting a different opinion means they represent anyone is silly, stop perpetuating the politics = sports teams mentality

DahGangalang@infosec.pub on 25 Jun 2024 20:28 next collapse

Upvoting for admitting you were wrong in your edit.

I wish more of the internet acted that way.

Substance_P@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 20:59 collapse

I’m all for privacy, but I’m not all for using the comment section to talk about abortion rights. Sure there is some overlap, but the comment section here seems to show the ease of which the human psyche can get distracted, these tangential bickerings are the reason big data is so effortlessly steam rolling us.

warm@kbin.earth on 25 Jun 2024 20:12 next collapse

Guys, stop falling for the obvious bait in the comments.

original_reader@lemm.ee on 25 Jun 2024 20:19 next collapse

This applies to so many things. Someone’s lifestyle might come under attack, someone’s religion might be persecuted, someone has sensitive information to share, and so on and so forth.

AeroLemming@lemm.ee on 26 Jun 2024 21:17 collapse

It literally happened in the US with period tracker app data getting subpoenaed in a state with an abortion ban.

refalo@programming.dev on 25 Jun 2024 20:25 next collapse

I have nothing to hide

Ok, pull down your pants and hand me your unlocked phone.

Schlemmy@lemmy.ml on 25 Jun 2024 20:26 collapse

The ‘hand me your unlocked phone’ has worked for me on several occasions.

JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee on 25 Jun 2024 23:29 collapse

To me they just say ‘I have stuff to hide from you, not from Google, Facebook, or the government.’

EngineerGaming@feddit.nl on 26 Jun 2024 00:34 collapse

“And the government officials can sell this data to me. Relatively inexpensive too”.

DarkCloud@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 20:37 next collapse

This is why you don’t rig a fair system… Because your ‘rig’ may one day be used against you.

bobs_monkey@lemm.ee on 25 Jun 2024 20:59 collapse

Problem is that people are essentially brainwashed to cheer in favor of oppressive policy. It should be a crime to make misleading claims or statements, but, such is the world of advertising and marketing.

Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works on 25 Jun 2024 20:46 next collapse

There are a surprising number of grammatical errors in that blog post. Did anyone proof read it, I wonder?

ZeroCool@vger.social on 26 Jun 2024 22:29 collapse

Jag garanterar att deras engelska är bättre än din svenska.

Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works on 26 Jun 2024 22:34 collapse

Ah, right. I forgot that they’re based in Sweden. That’s understandable if it’s simply a lack of familiarity with the language, but, still, I would expect a company like Mullvad to at least have one native-equivalent English speaker to look over their public facing English stuff. None of this is the end of the world, ofc — I’m just mildly surprised.

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uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 25 Jun 2024 21:52 next collapse

We Americans commit (more or less) three felonies a day. It used to be at least three felonies a day when violation of a website’s TOS was a violation of the CFAA (which can land you 25 years). If you’re a little girl, the DA is probably not going to prosecute, even if you were naughty and downloaded a song illegally.

But here’s the thing: Officials (especially sheriffs lately, and their deputies) are big in coveting your land and your wife and your other liquidatable assets. Heck, if you have some loose cash lying around, all of US law enforcement is already looking to find it, locate it and confiscate it via asset forfeiture and if you get in the way of their prize, well they’re sheepdogs, and you’re now a designated wolf.

And so anything you do that might be even slightly illegal is useful to make a case before a judge why you should spend the next 10 / 25 / 75 years locked up in Rikers or Sing Sing. Even if it’s a petty violation of the CFAA, or is so vague they have to invoke conspiracy or espionage laws, which are so intentionally broad and vague that everyone is already guilty of them.

Typically, these kinds of laws are used when a company or industry wants to disappear someone into the justice system. The go to example is the Kim Dotcom raid, which happened January 18, 2012, conspicuously on the same day as the Wikipedia Blackout protesting against SOPA / PIPA (PS: They’re still wanting to lock down the internet, which is why they want to kill Section 230).

Kim Dotcom was hanging in his stately manor in New Zealand when US ICE agents raided his home with representatives of the MPAA and RIAA standing by. He was accused of a shotgun of US law violations, including conspiracy and CFAA violations. The gist of the volley of accusations was that he was enabling mass piracy of assets by big media companies, hence the dudes in suits from the trade orgs. His company MEGAupload hosted a lot of copyrighted content.

Curiously – and this informs why Dotcom is still in New Zealand – MEGAupload had been cooperating with US law enforcement in their own efforts to stop pirates, and piracy rates actually climbed after the shutdown. Similarly, when Backpage was shut down for human trafficking charges (resulting in acquittal, later), human trafficking rates would climb as the victims were forced back to the streets.

(But Then – and this does get into speculation because we don’t have docs, just a lot of evidence – Dotcom had just secured a bunch of deals with hip hop artists and was going to use MEGAupload as a music distribution service that would get singles out for free and promote tours, and the RIAA really did not like this one bit which may be the actual cause of the Dotcom raid, but we can’t absolutely say. The media industry really hates pirates even though they know they’re not that much of a threat, but legitimate competition might be actual cause to send mercenaries in the color of US law enforcement to a foreign nation to raid the home of a rich dude.)

What we can say is US law enforcement will make shit up to lock you away if someone with power thinks you have something it wants, and you might object to them taking it, and they have a long history of just searching people’s histories (online and off) to find something for which to disappear them into the federal and state penal systems. After all, the US has more people (per capita or total) in prison than any other nation in the world, and so it’s easy to get lost in there.

So yeah, you absolutely have secrets to hide.

whotookkarl@lemmy.world on 26 Jun 2024 00:58 next collapse

I wouldn’t disagree about lying police, authoritarian judges filling for-profit prisons, etc but what felonies do I commit every day?

grue@lemmy.world on 26 Jun 2024 03:52 collapse

It used to be at least three felonies a day when violation of a website’s TOS was a violation of the CFAA (which can land you 25 years).

Did that stop being the case?

conspicuously on the same day as the Wikipedia Blackout protesting against SOPA / PIPA (PS: They’re still wanting to lock down the internet, which is why they want to kill Section 230).

Yeah, they’ve also tried to ram through ACTA, CISPA and the TPP since then.

geography082@lemm.ee on 25 Jun 2024 22:07 next collapse

Ok but you don’t need to pay a vpn to have a reasonable amount of online privacy. Even more because most of the things today work online and you need to provide an identity por example for government services. So is not bad to have a a standard profile but take precautions that don’t need to use a vpn. Even if true, this is propaganda to have fear and buy it.

BrikoX@lemmy.zip on 25 Jun 2024 22:41 next collapse

If you read the blog post you would know there are 0 mentions of VPNs there. VPNs have very limited purpose, and it’s just a small tool in the arsenal of privacy.

geography082@lemm.ee on 26 Jun 2024 01:23 next collapse

A vpn service, that it’s just that a company selling a product , publishing a blog post about the terrible things about not concerning about privacy… ah they didn’t mention vpns … so ok noting is being sold here…. :D

Name@feddit.nu on 26 Jun 2024 23:11 collapse

They can’t have an opinion about privacy because they sell a service? :P

SorteKanin@feddit.dk on 26 Jun 2024 08:03 collapse

What other tools than VPNs would you say are important?

BrikoX@lemmy.zip on 26 Jun 2024 09:13 collapse

It really depends on each person’s threat model. But there are a few things everyone would benefit from. Like VPN, email aliasing, password manager, 2FA/MFA. They don’t have any convenience cost and in most cases make your life easier.

If you are interested in learning more:

refalo@programming.dev on 26 Jun 2024 16:36 collapse

It is not possible to have privacy online anymore. Full stop.

dev_null@lemmy.ml on 27 Jun 2024 08:24 collapse

Sure it’s possible, but it’s not practical.

delirious_owl@discuss.online on 25 Jun 2024 22:36 next collapse

99% of people have some private keys they need to hide

elias_griffin@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 23:04 next collapse
  • Women hide thier skin, lips, and age
  • Men hide thier jawline with beards and their insecurities are buried so well, they forget it themselves as a defense mechanism hoping the mental/emotional weakness will “heal” by next confrontation
  • Humans hide thier weakness,
  • Thier competitive business plans
  • Patents until they are published
  • Who are you falling in love with at the start
  • Exactly how much you are attracted to a person
  • Who you have a crush on
  • Your answer to a $10,000 competition
  • Your lottery ticket
  • The location of your gold and gun
  • The location of your child when allowed online
  • Whether someone is away from home for extended periods of time, you leave the lights and TV on.
  • Inventions until it’s marketed
  • Science Fair Project until it’s unvieled
  • Presents until they are opened
  • Your private parts
  • Your private thoughts on your marriage

Have you ever grabbed a childs private parts? NO of course not, because you INNATELY UNDERSTAND even though you are not a parent and don’t remember being one yourself. In fact you understand it so well that if you were to do so publcally, you’re putting your life at risk.

CONCLUSION: Privacy is natural and helps give confidence and security to an individual but they want access to your weaknesses and privates anyway.

EVIDENCE: Privacy Violation is a specific tactic meant to break people …IN PRISON…since they begining of time, Gulags.

P.S. Stop showing nude baby pictures at reunions to those that did not raise or grow up with the child in the family who already saw them naked, and only while they are still a child and not a teenager, otherwise that is a serious privacy violation. In fact, just don’t take the picture, where did you even get that you lazy lubricated louse.

JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee on 25 Jun 2024 23:27 collapse

I agree with the first part of your comment, I don’t understand the second. Some sort of pedophilophobic rant?

helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 23:53 next collapse

Not too sure about the middle part, but the end was pointing out that baby pictures of little Sally playing in the tub are not okay to share or take in the first place.

Its a common enough situation where Ma is going through the baby album with your bride-to-be or a total stranger (mother-in-law) and there’s a bunch of photos of under-dressed children that would definetny make the wrong crowd happy to have.

TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee on 26 Jun 2024 00:14 next collapse

Children deserve privacy like the rest of us do.

user224@lemmy.sdf.org on 26 Jun 2024 13:04 collapse

Fun fact: Most parents cannot hear/see this sentence.

Belastend@lemmy.world on 27 Jun 2024 18:13 collapse

pedophilophobic?

atro_city@fedia.io on 25 Jun 2024 23:38 next collapse

Pornstars show us their assholes but I'm pretty sure they don't want everybody to know where they live. Just like normal people aren't comfortable shitting in a public toilet with the door open.

11111one11111@lemmy.world on 26 Jun 2024 23:29 collapse

Jokes on you I’m a claustrophobic shitter!

variants@possumpat.io on 26 Jun 2024 01:20 next collapse

It’s not that I have something to hide, it’s that I don’t trust your judgment

laughterlaughter@lemmy.world on 26 Jun 2024 13:21 collapse

It’s not that I have something to hide. It’s that it’s none of your business!

cows_are_underrated@feddit.org on 26 Jun 2024 07:44 next collapse

Also: never give your government the authority over something you wouldn’t give the worst possible government.

onlooker@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 14:00 next collapse

I tried arguing against this, but it’s no use. I tried pointing out how something can be branded illegal retroactively, like 20 years down the line, I tried the “give me your credit card info” approach, nothing took. 90% of the time the counter-argument is usually something to the effect of “big companies know everything about me anyway”, which is just guessing on their part.

I’m just going to take care of my own privacy, because I’m clearly in the minority (present company excluded, of course). Almost everyone I know disregards online privacy completely, so I’m done trying to get a dialogue going with these people; it’s every man for himself. The only way online privacy will become a hot topic among laymen is when something nasty happens and at that point, it will have been too late.

umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 15:22 next collapse

Just tell them unlock their phone so you can take a look of his browser history. Works quite a few time for me.

onlooker@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 15:52 next collapse

At one time I did, and to my surprise, my friend did just that! Unlocked their phone and handed it to me without a word. Welp.

nomous@lemmy.world on 26 Jun 2024 21:31 next collapse

So you logged into all their social media and changed their passwords and recovery emails right? I don’t just want access now, I want it in perpetuity.

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onlooker@lemmy.ml on 27 Jun 2024 15:11 collapse

Nah, that would just make me a dick.

xilona@lemmy.ml on 27 Jun 2024 23:23 collapse

If you ask a fulfilled woman she may tell you that she likes a hard dick that fucks her well.

There are plenty of useless dicks hanging around…

Name@feddit.nu on 26 Jun 2024 23:02 collapse

“I don’t trust you!” But they trust whatever NSA-agent looking at their private photos not to save anything for later…

xilona@lemmy.ml on 27 Jun 2024 23:18 collapse

Yes, family, friends trust more an outsider rather than a family member with decades of real proven knowledge in the IT/Tech field.

The reason being that AUTHORITIES have imense power of manipulation at hand rather than a single opinion of a family member…

xilona@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 15:41 next collapse

Thank you very much for speaking my mind!

I would also add that the “Plandemic” WAS that nasty thing that started other nasty things happening AND still few acknowledge what you are very well talking about.

IT is not only about being able to exercise the freedom of speech, privacy or living and loving, IT IS about HUMANS and HUMANITY and those that are against it…

REAL EYES, REALISE, REAL LIES! ☝️

Belastend@lemmy.world on 27 Jun 2024 18:11 collapse

“plandemic” opinion discarded

oatscoop@midwest.social on 26 Jun 2024 16:09 next collapse

“I don’t have anything to hide because I think I’ve done something wrong: I have something to hide because I question your judgement and motives.”

They’re fine giving you their info because they trust you. The problem is when the person seeking that information is untrustworthy – and some shithead(s) making their way into a company or government isn’t just possible, it’s likely.

Tell them to give all their sensitive personal information to someone that hates them. Credit card numbers, political beliefs, nudes, sexual preferences/fetishes, etc.

Subverb@lemmy.world on 26 Jun 2024 16:22 next collapse

As Doctorow points out, ‘Saying security and privacy don’t matter because you have nothing to hide is like saying freedom of speech doesn’t mater because you have nothing to say.’

It’s a very short-sighted view. Those rights will be taken from you if you don’t protect them.

Landslide7648@discuss.tchncs.de on 26 Jun 2024 21:00 collapse

That doesn’t work for the “the big companies know everything about me anyway” line though

Subverb@lemmy.world on 27 Jun 2024 01:11 next collapse

Well I think it does, because they don’t know literally everything about us yet. But they will one day if we don’t fight back.

Landslide7648@discuss.tchncs.de on 27 Jun 2024 01:39 collapse

You’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter what you or I believe, if a person has accepted that a big corporation knows everything about them and use this as a reason not to take action or prevent them from knowing more, then the Doctorow quote doesn’t apply.

Gigasser@lemmy.world on 27 Jun 2024 02:23 collapse

They may know everything about you right now. But they don’t know about your future self, how you can change, how you may be an entirely different person in as little as a year. Data is useful, but it is more useful the more updated and recent it is.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Jun 2024 02:23 collapse

my personal response is ALWAYS “would you be fine living with a state mandated police officer, FBI agent, CIA agent, whatever, in your house 24/7 making sure you never did anything wrong?”

the answer is no, because obviously it’s no.

BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee on 27 Jun 2024 18:08 collapse

Finally a friend

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Jun 2024 22:22 collapse

a fren that will report all your wrong doings to big government!

hglman@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 14:21 next collapse

There is a inversion of sorts here that is also important. If some people have access to the information hidden to everyone else they have power and control. Allowing just a few to read everything everyone else does gives them undo power. The access law enforcement has can and it abused, it is also sold or stolen.

whodoctor11@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 16:39 next collapse

investigative journalists in authoritarian countries

You mean like the US? Who achieved the feat of persecuting a foreign journalist as if he were an American citizen?

EDIT: I know that Mullvad is also critical of american surveillance, but I find it very funny that when in the West they call a state democratic that does exactly the same (or worse) than a state in the East that they call “authoritarian”. It really reveals how empty of meaning this word is. “Ah, but these Western states have ‘democratic institutions’.” News for you: the states you call “authoritarian” have them too. In both cases, they can be and de facto are dictatorships.

bufalo1973@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 16:41 next collapse

Easy: “You, the government, want me to show you all my data? Right after you show me (and everyone else) all your documents, including the “top secret” ones. Because you haven’t done anything wrong, right?”

sqgl@beehaw.org on 27 Jun 2024 06:58 collapse

Symmetrical transparency.

Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works on 26 Jun 2024 20:47 next collapse

There is so many good responses to this. Here is one I just came up with:

Legal and not embarrassing are not the same thing.

Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee on 26 Jun 2024 22:33 next collapse

Saying you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don’t care about freedom of speech because you don’t have anything to say.

sqgl@beehaw.org on 27 Jun 2024 06:57 collapse

It was Edward Snowden who said that “Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Jun 2024 02:22 next collapse

“i have nothing to hide”

no, you are wrong, you just do not understand what other people know about you.

technomad@slrpnk.net on 27 Jun 2024 14:43 collapse

And how they might use that information against you, now or in the future.

Hamartia@lemmy.world on 27 Jun 2024 18:14 next collapse

Nor that the information that they use against you be necessarily true given their accepted monopoly in ‘truth’.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Jun 2024 22:26 collapse

ah yes another classic, although this would be a timeless issue regardless of privacy, manufacturing problems is really easy, it turns out.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Jun 2024 22:25 collapse

or yesterday, maybe a week ago, who knows when it will come back to haunt you!

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shneancy@lemmy.world on 28 Jun 2024 20:45 next collapse

I don’t know where I read it but the best defence to “if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear” is “I don’t have anything to hide but I don’t trust your judgment or intentions”

waitwuhtt@lemmy.ml on 29 Jun 2024 02:48 collapse

I have nothing to hide, but I will hide it anyway.