Chat Control 2.0
from baxster@sopuli.xyz to privacy@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 22:08
https://sopuli.xyz/post/33537084
from baxster@sopuli.xyz to privacy@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 22:08
https://sopuli.xyz/post/33537084
The EU Commission is lying open on social media about chat control. Tomorrow EU governments debate about Chat control 2.0 Use the fightchatcontrol.eu email tool to make yourself heard
‘Danger to Democracy’ patrick-breyer
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Yeah we all know that’s BS. “Child porn only” will become “anything illegal” which will become “whatever we want” and SL"with a warrant" will become “all the time”
The only way it will go indeed
DNA testing started out that way, and went exactly as predicted.
They should just mandate that the child pornographers set the evil bit. It would save the EU leaders the trouble of learning how cryptography works.
Uh-huh. And how do you search for something specific without decrypting everything first? This is fucking embarrassing.
Wasn’t the plan for the messenger to scan for explicit material before the messages were sent (and encrypted)?
I’m going off of a article by TechRadar, but essentially: yes. This isn’t about breaking encryption as I initially thought, though that seems to have been the goal when the same law was proposed (and rightfully rejected) in 2022. Rather, the new revision is about making encryption utterly pointless through the virtue of scanning all messages on your device, as you suggested. At least that’s my read on the situation.
Yup, that’s it.
And so, where is the problem?.. Your message is scanned. If it is illegitimate you can’t send it. What is the problem?
How will that initial scan take place? On your device, or sent to a server? Once you give the authorities that ability, will they stop at CSAM, or will they flag anti-israel content as well?
The government doesnt get to read every message I send and see if they deem it sendable or not. Thats the problem
If you think this would stop at CSAM then you’re naive.
These same people are at the same time taking away freedom of speech to support a genocide. How do I know they won’t scan for pro Palestine content?
They scanned your message and found you were critical of Israel, a team has been sent to your location to resolve the issue.
What if they decide tomorrow that critisising the government is unlawful? That you get arrested for being LGBTQ? Send “Free Palestine” at your friends and have cops at your door?
If they allow this scanning, they just need to edit a text file to immediately flag thousands for having certain beliefs.
Besides, the real criminals will just move encryption to a different level or find different ways to bypass this.
Ultimately, there’s only one solution for governments. That is to ban all encryption. And hopefully that’s something we never see happening.
That’s a fair clarification but hardly meaningful, and arguably much worse.
“Only the thing we are searching for will be searched for”
How do you know if a message has that content without scanning all messages to begin with?
The fuck? Do they think we are stupid?
They definitely do. And they are partly right, for the average person this is enough to stop worrying
The average person wasn’t even worried or indeed aware of this to begin with
They do the Kremlin defence, just shit out words without meaning, wrong meaning, correct meaning, more words, and everyone can find their “right” answer.
Here the gullible/tech illiterate can get their “right” answer.
If this were just hash checks running on the local device before it’s encrypted and sent I could accept it. Using AI is a step too far.
No, even this should not be applied or sent anywhere. It’s my phone I decide what it does, no one else. I paid for it with my money
I think refusing to send anything that’s on the hash list wouldn’t be far enough for the EU.
Why doesn’t any group of people get that it’s OUR devices abd not THEIRS.
… And how will you be able to distinguish between encrypted child pornography and encrypted normal messages?
It’s kind of the crux of the matter, so please answer this question
are europeans just as bad at not reading beyond the headlines as americans?
Easy: encrypt CSAM. If the hashes match… Gotta have the encryption key, though. But you mustn’t use for decryption. Only encryption
PhotoDNA already exists. But you would have to break end to end encryption on a lot of services to run such server-side checks (as client-side checks are not trustworthy)
serverside checks neither on federated services, or anywhere where the user chooses their server
Oh it’s easy, anyone talking about “child pornography” is obviously just using manipulative emotional talking points related to children to cloud the discussion. This person has forfeited their right to free speech and has outed themselves as an enemy of self-determination.
You can tell because all the people invoking “think of the children” never actually care about children in their action, except maybe for their children, but not children as an abstract concept.
What they really want is to read your emails, your correspondence, know your plans and your thoughts so they can subjugate you and enslave you for their own benefits. Those people are the enemy of every human and should be treated with less mercy than witches at Salem.
Stop playing their game, they ALWAYS do this and they always brow beat their little transparent evil plans.
You want my answer when they ask “how will you be able to distinguish between encrypted child pornography”, you go to the person that asked and punch their clock right the fuck out, take that you fucking dickhead ! And then spit in their face as they go down.
If you care about children how about you don’t fucking cut their food ration out of the budget, you horrible ghouls and vampires !
Here is a less radical version
Privacy is not negotiable. It is not a privilege granted by the state, but a fundamental condition of human freedom. Any attempt to undermine encryption, to insert backdoors, or to surveil private communications is not about protecting children, it is about total control.
The invocation of child protection is not neutral. It is a deliberate emotional manipulation, weaponized to silence dissent and shame opposition. If these proposals were truly about helping children, they wouldn’t be attacking the one technology that protects vulnerable people, encryption, including children themselves, activists, journalists, and victims of abuse.
Once the infrastructure for total surveillance is in place, it will never be dismantled without revolution. History is clear: power concedes nothing voluntarily. There will be no going back. The moment we compromise, we lose everything, and we will not get it back without blood.
There is no middle ground between liberty and submission. This is not a policy debate. This is a war for the future of human autonomy. We must reject this system entirely, not tweak it, not reform it, but destroy it at its root. To preserve freedom, we must be absolutely ungovernable.
The entire point of surveillance is that all attempts at revolutions can be thwarted.
Every other time in history, the oppressor has eventually rotted from inside and its carcass thrown overboard.
Over centuries humanity might escape its prison again.
But for the people alive when the prison is built, they will become cattle for the rest of their lives and so will their children.
We might one day build ourselves a prison we can never escape, like farms are for cow.
But if that ever happens, at least there is hope that a very large asteroid will sterilize this planet down to the last spore.
I only pray the infection has not spread to other stars before this happens.
I know porn when I see it
And this fight will have to be won every single time, while they have to win just once and we’ll never get it back ?
It’s obviously a rigged game and such a game can only be won by cheating. Cheating so hard no one ever dares to play this game again.
So, maybe it’s time to draw post-Europe borders now that european governance has become malignant, I don’t believe it can be saved. This always ends up happenning so might as well hit that reset button early while they’re not seeing it coming this early.
They always use sex crimes and “the worst of the worst” as an excuse. Always. Then they come after political dissidents and the vulnerable.
“do not read this comment”
The only way to know not to read it is to read it
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Congrats Commission, you shot yourself once again in the foot.
they are gonna keep at it until it passes. the only way to stop this is deposing them.
Dictators never leave peacefully.
no, they don’t. though if it were that easy we wouldn’t need to worry that much about things like chat control.
I don’t see how we can stop it. If they don’t succeed this year, they will try the next, and if not next, they will try the year after until it works. How do we stop this? We can’t. Its like cancer. You can only slow the process down by being against them. Thats it :/ we all will be surveiled and there is nothing to stop it.
All we do as privacy advocates is to jump around. If one thing becomes illegal, we jump over to something else that provides privacy once again.
We are slowly becoming cashless, but new tech arrived and we started with crypto like monero. Once crypto is banned, we find different methods in staying anonymous or private :)
we depose them. they can’t try again next year if they are not in power. of course that’s easier said, but there is an out that’s historically effective against abuse of power.
solutions like alternative apps and oses and techniques are always an individualistic bandaid that should be thought of as temporary until they close the loophole.
I’m actually starting to think 25/7 monitoring of all digital communications is actually a good idea.
For politicians.
It’s the only way to sure they’re accountable to the public. This should be the trade off. You enter into politics and literally the only privacy you ever have is when you’re in the bathroom.
Every fart, sneeze, cough, every email you send, every text you send on a phone, website you visit, is public record.
there will always be burner phones
Good luck getting one under 24/7 surveillance.
Prisons are full of contraband. I imagine it’s just that much easier on the outside.
EU: We are not going to read your chats or look at your photos, we just stop the CP.
People: so how will you know what chats and photos contain CP?
EU: Just trust me bro…
The wording of that message wiggles around a lot. When you read it again, you realize there can be:
This is the language of some one who knows is guilty
It will just start with those, then slowly increase their right
This is absolutely a bad idea that shouldn’t be implemented. However, everyone who is continuing to push fo the digital spying with the rhetoric like that needs to be checked thoroughly. Statistically, I can almost guarantee that their hard drives is full of child porn and their basements are full of skeletons.
Ok listen some of you will have to become politicians & get them life-imprisonment sentences
Can we assassinate these fucks next please?
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