I’ve got an 8a which I got on sale when the 9a came out. I tend to keep my phones for 4-5 years, so this should be good for a long while, though I hope the Motorola collab produces something good. I also do little on my phone these days by design. If I could get by without owning one, I’d be thrilled.
Yeah I used to be the guy who did everything on his phone and now I just mostly use it for photos, maps and messaging and I try to be on a laptop when I can
vikingtons@lemmy.world
on 10 Mar 17:51
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I got a pro because it was heavily discounted at the time. The one thing I sort of appreciated is the display LTPO thing, which enables it to gear all the way down to 1hz to save power.
thing is kinda moot since the 9a and 10a achieve significantly better battery life than the 10 pro (10a uses the prior gen SoC which seems to have better idle power characteristics).
Personally, I like to have a small font with a high density so as much info is on the screen as possible.
Also, if you like to watch Youtube or movies on your device, you’ll notice the difference in resolution.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 18:29
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Not really, but I got one anyway because I need the storage. I wish I would have gone all the way and got a TB but I couldn’t buy that one in cash in store so I didn’t.
64bithero@lemmy.world
on 10 Mar 18:53
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Considering waiting to see if Motorola releases a GrapheneOs built in Razr I’d consider that. But can’t help but wonder how much they would mess up the core important pieces of Graphene for their overlords who wants AI down our throat
They announced the big RAZR Fold and that future devices would have it at MWC, so mayhaps
But can’t help but wonder how much they would mess up the core important pieces of Graphene for their overlords who wants AI down our throat
also this. Wasn’t moto the one helping with then-illegal wiretaps in like the 90s? I can hardly keep track anymore
ApplyingAutomation@lemmy.world
on 10 Mar 19:28
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I’m running grapheme on a Pixel 9 Pro Fold I got used ~ quite happy with it so far :)
TheMadCodger@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 19:33
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I’ve always wanted a fold, but couldn’t justify the price. I definitely don’t need one, but I want one. Even used on swappa they’re still a bit spendy.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net
on 10 Mar 20:12
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The only advantage of the non-a models is they use a potentially more durable battery that is less prone to pillowing.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 20:57
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The a series have been great to me so far. The specs are usually more than enough for most use cases you’re gonna have for your phone, and the 9a and 10a both have better battery life than the rest of the 9 and 10 series’ respectively.
The a series is substantially cheaper for what is, in my opinion, a totally justifiable Android experience that isn’t gonna be much different than the other models for most people.
HOWEVER, I will say that if you plan on running a lot of apps that need to operate in the background or be constantly on, especially if you play games at the same time on your phone sometimes, the RAM could be too low for your liking and might occasionally lead to an app’s background process freezing for a bit. (e.g. a timer might freeze if the app isn’t actively open)
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Mar 18:10
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It’s why I made sure to get my newest phone used, but that comes with the risk of getting a Verizon model (in the US) which can’t be bootloader unlocked. Had to return the first one I got off eBay for that reason, and the second one I made sure to ask the seller where they initially got it from.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 10 Mar 19:54
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It’s wild to me that that’s legal here. Devices should have to be carrier agnostic.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Mar 18:31
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Not much longer im sure. I have no reason to believe that they will continue making it possible to un/relock the bootloader considering their push for google certified only android.
This is what I’m afraid of too. I could see apps like fdroid and the ability to install custom roms being taken away within the next year or two. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t have a good feeling. I need Linux phones to be a thing now more than ever.
I need Linux phones to be a thing now more than ever.
This doesn’t happen in a vacuum. If you’re not already, find a project and contribute towards it some way.
cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 10 Mar 20:04
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I assume you either mean financially or in terms of general support and word of mouth. Trust me, I wish I could be a dev so, so badly, but as interesting as code and computers are, I’m light years away from getting in there and being able to fuck with shit. I love learning about programming, but I’m not the best at actually learning it. lmao
I say, as I sit in a first level computer science class, typing this because I’m totally lost in the actual lecture.
Yes, I said “in some way” because not everyone can contribute code directly. There are other things besides money you can offer to contribute (graphic design, community/brand management, communication, general organizational tasks, forum moderation, etc) but funding is usually the simplest and most necessary.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 15:14
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I wish Ubuntu Touch wasn’t the main player because I dont want to give Canonical money 😭 Better than Google or Microsoft though.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Mar 20:52
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Wdym by “you could see” as if its not whats already announced to be happening. Fdroid will not cooperate with googles app verification process which means Fdroid will stop working on all google certified devices, meaning everything other than devices with custom ROMs. NewPipe also announced they wont get google verified meaning it will stop working too.
humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Mar 21:01
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Is the “Nothing” phone product a custom ROM? Sorry if dumb question I’m a bit out of my element.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Mar 22:09
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ROM basically is just another word for operating system so its about the software not the hardware. So only devices (phones) that allow you to install your own custom operating system (like a modified version of the original android that comes with it or even a proper linux OS) will allow you to install apps not certified by google.
Most of the time people talk about custom roms they mean open source software that replaces the pre installed closed source software. Nothing phones are closed source so they are probably not on the “good” side here.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 20:34
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I never know what to expect from Google. They respect open source efforts to an extent, but play Calvinball with where they draw the line. In any case, Motorola will be an option soon, maybe more. And there are other custom ROMs, albeit not as thorough as Graphene. And for me? They can’t take it away now that I already did it, so I’m good for up to 7 years unless my phone breaks.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Mar 11:38
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If I recall correctly grapheneOS is going to switch to Motorola for their new releases
comrade_twisty@feddit.org
on 10 Mar 19:22
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I didn’t want to give google any money, so I am using a Pixel 6 I got for free at this time. Actually moved from an iPhone 15 and it does not feel slower at all with Graphene OS. I’ll have to upgrade in October when support runs out though, so I’ll be eying used Pixel 9a’s in the summer.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 20:30
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Flagship hardware has been sufficient long term for a while now. I’d still be using my 6 year old phone if it had security updates and I wasn’t getting into privacy and security
puddingchewer@lemmy.zip
on 10 Mar 19:41
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This is exactly what i just did. No regrets. Foss everything, no mainstream social media. I love it
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 20:28
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The Fediverse is not perfect, but it actually blew my mind a bit how much it lowered my blood pressure to not see the constant ragebait, and the calm of not being exposed and monitored at all times. I still have Snapchat just for one person, and WhatsApp which is Meta but still E2EE. Other than that, I’m all in on FOSS privacy approved apps and man does it feel great.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world
on 10 Mar 20:40
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I made the switch to Linux and Lemmy right around the same time. Once I was free of it all it was like relaxing a muscle I didn’t know had been tense for decades. Android is next… Just as soon as I figure out jellyfin…
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 20:52
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I also just switched to Linux! Well dual booting Windows for now but only for gaming really, and until I figure out if Ardour is good enough for me for music production. But still: Microsoft has nothing except my game saves now, no tax documents or web history, etc.
What distro did you go with?
I’m also looking into making a home server to ditch streaming services and so I dont need 250 GB of music on my. phone. Got to be able to afford the RAM though…
Mint. I’m not a “tech genius” and it was presented as an easy intro to Linux. I feel no need to distro hop, getting by just fine with my little minty penguin thank you very much!
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 23:59
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Mint is pretty legit. Their Cinnamon desktop is looking a lot prettier these days too.
I landed on Fedora KDE because I need gaming features like VRR, and still wanted features like Secure Boot & a distro with a lot of users and documentation.
GFGJewbacca@midwest.social
on 10 Mar 20:52
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Jellyfin is the shit. Lemme know if you have questions.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world
on 10 Mar 22:31
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No questions in particular as of yet. Still assembling hardware. I’m going for a server built on a NAS
Dude, it’s super awesome, but telling you it’s easy could potentially push you away from doing it, plus transparency is always the best policy. Additionally, it’s not that it’s hard, really, it does have a learning curve, and it’s difficulty will mostly be determined by how much you like challenges. The best part is that too many of us have already tried, failed, tried again, and succeeded, so you can always lean on us.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 20:19
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I get you, I wasn’t being sarcastic. Going through something difficult has a way of bringing people together, especially if you still love it after the effort.
Oh no, by no means did I think that, no worries bud. I can tell you that, when I started, about 11 years ago with a Synology NAS, I was scared as hell, but I found it so fascinating that I, a complete ignorant on how technology works at the software level, could suddenly own some of my data. I made so many mistakes, list so much data for not following correct backup streamlines, and pissed off a lot of my friends and family when they had to go through 2 or 3 more clicks when I shared something. And it’s great. Jesus, I’ve deployed Joplin and I mich so many times and in so many mixed of bare-metal and containers that I can’t tell you for sure what I have running right now unless I start digging into each of my ProxMox VMs and LXCs to try and figure out where each thing connects to the other. Evidently, I’ve been keeping proper 3-2-1 backups for the last 7 years, and have broken so much stuff over the years, trying UnRaid, truena, OMV, CasaOS, and a whole lot of stuff more. Dude, in all honesty, just make sure your irreplaceable data is safe preferably offline, and go at it. Break stuff, and then enjoy the satisfaction of finally having it running after 2 or 3 sleepless nights, only to break it again by placing a comma I the wrong place because your brain refuses to keep going 🤣🤣.
It’s fun man, that’s the best part, owning your data and flipping the finger at big tech and givernments is just the added value. That’s my opinion anyway.
GFGJewbacca@midwest.social
on 11 Mar 13:40
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I strongly recommend TrueNAS Scale. It’s built on Debian, and has full docker implementation.
stankcheez@lemmy.world
on 11 Mar 14:39
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TrueNAS Scale’s Docker implementation is currently really mediocre - it’s implemented as an app store style experience - and deploying/managing containers via the CLI isn’t officially supported although it works fine. They do have a more generic container management implementation in beta at the moment.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 18:14
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Yes. It is hardened a lot though, easily the most secure and private. Ubuntu Touch is maybe more private because Linux but it’s barely functional. iOS in lockdown mode is decent, better than stock Android.
checkout Gelato for jellyfin if you are low on disk space
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
on 10 Mar 20:50
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WhatsApp which is Meta but still E2EE
As far as you are told. There is no verification that is true.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 20:55
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They have had some third party audits. It is not totally convincing to me as being trustworthy, but I see it as more of an acceptable necessary evil. Better than Discord, Snapchat, Facebook Messenger, probably even SMS. My wife’s whole family uses just WhatsApp, and so do some businesses even in her country. Believe me though, anyone I can get on Signal, Matrix, Session, etc, I do.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
on 10 Mar 21:25
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There have been third party audits, but the conclusions have been that you can’t know if it’s implemented correctly or at all. Nature of closed source. Because you can’t know where the keys are.
I get the doing business in their country. That is so difficult to overcome. I will not do it. Foot down on that one, and it does make it hard. My wife’s family does the same as you mentioned. I just tell them they are literally paying for fascism. They don’t care. Or you can pick from many of the ills of Meta products (energy use, AI, misinformation, or even simply making someone a billionaire by contributing nothing to society).
Makes it hard.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 22:05
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I’m working on it and avoid it when I can as I mentioned. The only reason I mentioned it is that it’s one of the last vestiges of apps I don’t fully trust. I treat it like SMS or email, I don’t send anything I don’t expect could be audited by the government with the right subpoenas.
But sometimes I’m in a weird position. If I need to order food in my wife’s country, I am not going to be able to contact the restaurant without WhatsApp. Then I, as a white American who doesn’t know them, am going to explain to the delivery guy the reasons why they shouldn’t support American fascism, in their native language that I am not 100% fluent in?
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
on 10 Mar 22:18
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It isn’t American fascism of course. It’s everywhere.
But I get it, I find myself in the same boat traveling and visiting family. It really is pervasive. So in your scenario you can’t just go pick it up yourself?
I know there are other ones though: Everything in some places works like this where they want to do a call back - deliveries, doctors appointments, services. WhatsApp has almost, if not completely, replaced the phone, so even getting a local sim doesnt help.
I simply refuse to play along. I wont do it. Somehow we seem to work it out.
It is actually verified e2ee. However, they do keep a ‘spare key’ for every single user and chat, you know, in case they need to help you, the good guys at Meta.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
on 11 Mar 02:35
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Can you show me where it’s verified? Did someone get to see the code?
hagelslager@feddit.nl
on 11 Mar 11:42
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As far as I’m aware Moxie Marlinspike made the encryption before it was acquired by Facebook. One of the founders of WhatsApp now finances Marlinspike’d Signal messenger.
In theory Meta only sees who you communicate with, but not what you communicate.
(I wouldn’t be surprised if the bastards are trying to undo the encryption if they already haven’t.)
noodlejetski@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 12:12
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before it was acquired by Facebook
not that it really matters, but it was a few years after the acquisition.
Also, their e2ee is built on the signal protocol. Now, their server code and client code are not open source, so they could have left all types of doors open for their benefit. Also, the Metadata is not encrypted at all, something they actually brag about for some reason.
And just to be clear, I am a genuine 'everything-meta-hater" (and Google, MicroShit, Crapple, Crapsung, etc.), but spreading misinformation doesn’t help preaching about privacy and security.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
on 11 Mar 21:31
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That verified if their backups were end to end encrypted though right?
It’s also interesting what was out of scope:
Limitations
The following components were not in scope; NCC Group was therefore unable to evaluate and identify issues with them:
• Third-party and proprietary HSM vendor implementation.
• Backup encryption implementation.
• Side-channels in the access, creation, modification and deletion of backup data on third-party cloud storage.
Dude, you seem to be under the impression that I’m somehow defending meta, and you’re evidently in battle mode. I said my piece, provided the evidence as requested. I guess this is where I drop off of this convoy for ith you, buddy. Make of it what you will. Have a good day.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
on 11 Mar 21:57
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No, I am not in battle mode. I just read the link and found it interesting and responded with things I saw in it.
What I didn’t do, was realize you sent TWO links, and I failed to read the second one. But believe me I am not trying to argue in any way. I am just responding.
The second link was also just for backups.
Again, I am just saying that they are not able to demonstrate that they are actually implementing this, AND that both of those links are for backups only. Thats all.
And I totally get what you were driving at: it doesn’t matter, they have a “spare key”.
I don’t think it will. It’s just another outside audit (no idea if país by meta or not though). It is E2ee, that’s the bottom line. Now, the implementation is what dictates what that’s worth. It’s no different than client-side scanning or Microsoft co-pilot. What’s the point of having e2ee if someone else can get access either before encryption or by a third party, like meta, having a master key to decrypt anyway?
The first thing was if there was any indo of e2ee being implemented, there’s plenty, even Cloudflare audited them at one point if I recall correctly. But, nobody knows how it’s implemented, except for meta, and that’s where the lack of trust resides, because we all trust meta as far as we can throw our cars.
Why use WhatsApp instead of Signal? I don’t go near WhatsApp because of Meta, so I genuinely know very little about it.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 21:59
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I don’t, I use Signal whenever I can. WhatsApp is for businesses that use it, and the people who refuse to go to Signal, or can’t figure it out. Like my mother in law tried but got confused and so far have been unsuccessful troubleshooting why long distance. But I still need to talk to her.
noodlejetski@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 12:13
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because in some countries it’s been the default means of communication for over a decade, which means a network effect.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 11 Mar 00:23
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It really goes to show no little of the abuse we suffer is inherently the Internet’s fault. Lemmy feels like the reddit I knew and loved of 15 years ago. Sure there’s some assholes I argue with but that’s the normal amount of shittieness not the turbocorpo abuse
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 00:28
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A lot of it is hitting critical mass too. Reddit used to be tech enthusiasts and stem students the same way Fediverse is currently. Now any town idiot yahoo from the sticks will angrily yell at you on Reddit for no reason.
But yeah the algorithm is a lot stronger than it would seem.
Some are trying though. Some one tried to be a smart ass saying that us lemmyngs where cool with piratage when it is for random people but not when it is for facebook so we should be ashamed. He got his ass handed by multiple people. Good time.
Not even an insult was thrown <3 it was civilized, I love you guys.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Mar 22:15
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civilized
that reminds me of something … one of the greatest milestones of civilization is said to be canalization, and we are indeed all connected through shitposts :)
When I first joined Reddit, it was so similar to Lemmy in its principles. Relatively progressive, open source, tons of interesting people having real convos about the nerdiest stuff and talking about the world. It was real, and the fediverse has absolutely nailed recreating that sense of community. What a beautiful safe haven we have
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 12 Mar 11:16
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The what’s app is encrypted to get to your phone so transmission is protected, however to view your message it is unencrypted (obvious) and at that stage WhatsApp will parse it for key stuff such as Child Sexual stuff, or other threats they have determined they look for, that then triggers a data send back to the mother ship. The problem with this is if the Government wants to silence a political opponent or journalist they can go to Meta and request a search other than CSAM. So end to end encryption via any META product is a joke
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 18:18
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Hm yeah that blows.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Mar 22:13
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haha, the “lowered my bloodpressure” bit is sooo relatable :)
MrsVeggies@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Mar 01:37
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GrapheneOS currently relies on Google for both hardware and security updates. The Motorola thing is encouraging, but they never should have built on Google phones to begin with.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz
on 10 Mar 20:18
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Yeah I’m on a 2025 moto, done the best I can with shizuku but it’s trash. I’d leave it at home.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 10 Mar 20:24
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Soon, but not yet! I needed to upgrade, can’t wait until 2027 or whenever. But hoping it’ll be one of their flagships, the new Razr is pretty dope specs wise.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Mar 22:21
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But hoping it’ll be one of their flagships, the new Razr is pretty dope specs wise.
i hipe it’s gonna be a not flagship one, because otherwise i’ll not be able to afford it :(
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world
on 10 Mar 22:12
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e/OS/
Tehdastehdas@piefed.social
on 12 Mar 10:19
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It’s not made by a US company. Meaning there is no insensives to add us gov backdoors or something for military or for companies like palantir.
Google is an ad company. They have insensitives to collect all the data on us.
and china has almost all messaging through government controlled app wechat, qr payments everywhere, active tracking for social credit score, and blocked internet traffic for specific websites. they are definitely big on surveillance…
if anything they have more incentive to add backdoors to phones going overseas, look at what happened with huawei
RblScmNerfHerder@lemmy.world
on 12 Mar 16:29
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That person (if they are a person at all) to whom you’re responding can’t be serious.
RblScmNerfHerder@lemmy.world
on 12 Mar 16:31
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How is that not indirectly funding Google?
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml
on 11 Mar 02:10
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And the only price, you’ll need to see the Google logo flash brightly every time you reboot.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 03:51
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Gives me a jumpscare when I apply updates, not gonna lie
I hâte this reminder too. But the constant playsyore is missing permissions is a reward. Yes stay here little software keep complaining, your owner can go fuck them self.
I’m on the same boat; FP4 + CalyxOS. Do you know have they (Calyx) confirmed anything about the projects future? Last I heard was in around december, and things were quite uncertain back then.
They’re getting closer. Last update was end of Feb. Most of their updates seem to about security stuff I don’t understand, but it’s nice to see they’re working on it.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 15:02
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I hope they’re not ending the project. They were pretty comfortably the best Graphene alternative but you’ll need security updates.
I’m glad that GrapheneOS exist, and it’s sad that they are the exception and not the rule.
I think projects like CalyxOS and LineageOS should adopt some feature from GrapheneOS like contact/storage scopes, sandboxed Google Play Services, Network and Sensor toggles.
At the same time, I think GrapheneOS needs to reevaluate their presence in social media.
idkman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Mar 14:55
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but seriously, drop the smart phone entirely.
Banana@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Mar 15:10
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Blackberry could’ve made such a good comeback. What a shame.
Nah, fuck them. They were no different from Google and Apple, and had monopolistic tendencies as well. If anything, Google is the lesser evil since Android is at least open source, whereas BB10 was as locked down as iOS.
Blackberry also killed/sold off their hardware teams, so they have no capacity to make a comeback. All they have left is their nostalgia-loaded brand.
Idk it depends on your reasons for the comparison. I believe they had monopolistic tendencies (as do both Google and Apple, so does Nintendo regarding its hardware as well) but the last time I checked they weren’t nearly as focused on surveillance.
I mostly just mean there is a market right now for physical keyboards. That is the extent of depth I intended with this comment. I’m not educated enough in hardware markets to speak on Blackberrys place in them or their ethics.
While a terminal solution, that’s not a real solution. I’ll agree replacing everything 1:1 isn’t the way we should go. But, we have the technology and infrastructure to enjoy having a mini-PC we can hold in our hand while also maintaining our privacy and avoiding enshitified applications.
It doesn’t have to be a zero-sum game.
ilsimoneviaggiatore@feddit.it
on 11 Mar 15:20
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Maybe, you could buy a Motorola as well in the near future.
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml
on 11 Mar 15:58
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The only reason I don’t use GrapheneOS is because of thte tight coupling they have with Google’s hardware.
entwine@programming.dev
on 11 Mar 17:41
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Why, because you can’t afford it (reasonable), because you think it helps Google (unreasonable), because you think it’s a privacy risk (unreasonable), or because it feels icky (unreasonable)?
The profits from Pixel hardware sales are a drop in the bucket for Google. I’m pretty sure the only reason it exists is so they can have insight and control over the hardware ecosystem, as without it they’d be driven by whatever Samsung wants to do.
The walled Android ecosystem is where they make the bulk of their money, and Graphene actively pulls people away from that and to something objectively better. Graphene is fully de-Googled and safe from their spyware, and exists outside of their business model. Using and promoting Graphene actively hurts Google, even if you have them $1k for a phone.
Also, there are plenty of cheap second hand pixels on ebay, and Google doesn’t see a penny from those sales. Recycling is good for the planet anyways.
I personally think this can be reasonable if you’re the type to talk all about your hardware with people. You might not like promoting Google, so you choose a different device with a different privacy OS because you would rather talk about that to people.
For me, I don’t talk about my phone much to people - so I just bought a second hand Pixel 8, put Graphene on it, and popped a sticker over the Google logo. Using a case that’s not clear does just as good of a job. I will probably replace it with a Motorola eventually when they start releasing phones with GrapheneOS on it.
BladeFederation@piefed.social
on 11 Mar 18:16
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It’s not that they have a deal with Google, it’s that Google’s hardware security is best bar none except maybe iPhone. And Graphene is the best way to degoogle, as counter intuitive as it may seem. They are working with other manufacturers to get these security requirements for new phones so Graphene can be put on them.
Doomsider@lemmy.world
on 11 Mar 22:18
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They are currently in talks to use Verizon phones.
Edit: whoops that was Motorola, my bad.
TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Mar 23:01
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Worth it. Try any Samsung phone with Google’s shit and Samsung’s shit on top: I swear you these one are practically unusable, like you carrying an bloated mini-ad-computer with you. A implanted bug in your teeth or ass would hurt probably less then this. Before I use any of those, I rather use a “dumb” phone again.
Debloating an S10 was removing a long list of shit. I have seen the list only got longer with the newer models indeed. But one can survive, with the right tools.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 11 Mar 22:05
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I don’t understand. Do you not know that buying second hand means the company does not get your money?
I bought a second hand Pixel 8 at the end of 2024 just to put GrapheneOS on it, and I also refuse to give Google money.
I bought my Mum a Pixel 8 also this year, and put GrapheneOS on it - also second hand.
Either way, I’m happy for you that you ended up with a private phone, I just don’t understand why so many people seem to forget that second hand is a way of not supporting companies.
ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world
on 12 Mar 11:45
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Yes buying second hand stops you giving your money to Google, however it still supports ppl buying them in the first place. And that supports Google.
I wish there was more options in the Graphene space as it’s something I’d love to tinker with too. But also don’t wanna buy from Google.
Hence why I go back to hoping projects like pinephone take off (albeit I’m realistic of the chances of that happening)
It kind of does, most of my tech friendly family members refuse to buy Chinese phones, not because they care about privacy but because they have no resale values. They only buy iphones, samsung and google.
If Google secondhand market crashes, I’m pretty sure some of them drop Google from their acceptable phone list. I’m not saying it’s direct impact of Google, but at least it’s indirect in the sense they will not buy Google next time.
So if you buy secondhand Google 8, you are part paying your sellers next Google pixel 10. It’s a bit mental gymnastics, but not baseless theory.
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I’m about to do the same … question is without the google services is it worth a pro over even an a ?
To me it wasn’t. I don’t think The non-a Pixels can really justify their price based on the hardware itself.
I tend to just buy a used model, I’ve got the 8 with graphene and no complaints, that said I do very little with my phone these days
I’ve got an 8a which I got on sale when the 9a came out. I tend to keep my phones for 4-5 years, so this should be good for a long while, though I hope the Motorola collab produces something good. I also do little on my phone these days by design. If I could get by without owning one, I’d be thrilled.
Yeah I used to be the guy who did everything on his phone and now I just mostly use it for photos, maps and messaging and I try to be on a laptop when I can
I got a pro because it was heavily discounted at the time. The one thing I sort of appreciated is the display LTPO thing, which enables it to gear all the way down to 1hz to save power.
thing is kinda moot since the 9a and 10a achieve significantly better battery life than the 10 pro (10a uses the prior gen SoC which seems to have better idle power characteristics).
I got an ‘a’ model and its been totally sufficient at a much lower price. But I guess it depends on how you plan to use it.
Certainly not a Pixel 10 Pro.
If I could write my own code for the NPU that might be interesting, but they’ve got it locked up like a straight boy’s toilet paper.
If you want a Pro, go with the 8, 9 if you have to. 8 still has the 2k screen, 10 is a bastardized 1080p screen
Is there really any need for a screen that small having that high of a resolution anyway?
Personally, I like to have a small font with a high density so as much info is on the screen as possible.
Also, if you like to watch Youtube or movies on your device, you’ll notice the difference in resolution.
Not really, but I got one anyway because I need the storage. I wish I would have gone all the way and got a TB but I couldn’t buy that one in cash in store so I didn’t.
Considering waiting to see if Motorola releases a GrapheneOs built in Razr I’d consider that. But can’t help but wonder how much they would mess up the core important pieces of Graphene for their overlords who wants AI down our throat
They announced the big RAZR Fold and that future devices would have it at MWC, so mayhaps
also this. Wasn’t moto the one helping with then-illegal wiretaps in like the 90s? I can hardly keep track anymore
I’m running grapheme on a Pixel 9 Pro Fold I got used ~ quite happy with it so far :)
I’ve always wanted a fold, but couldn’t justify the price. I definitely don’t need one, but I want one. Even used on swappa they’re still a bit spendy.
The only advantage of the non-a models is they use a potentially more durable battery that is less prone to pillowing.
The a series have been great to me so far. The specs are usually more than enough for most use cases you’re gonna have for your phone, and the 9a and 10a both have better battery life than the rest of the 9 and 10 series’ respectively.
The a series is substantially cheaper for what is, in my opinion, a totally justifiable Android experience that isn’t gonna be much different than the other models for most people.
HOWEVER, I will say that if you plan on running a lot of apps that need to operate in the background or be constantly on, especially if you play games at the same time on your phone sometimes, the RAM could be too low for your liking and might occasionally lead to an app’s background process freezing for a bit. (e.g. a timer might freeze if the app isn’t actively open)
Lmao this is perfect
It’s why I made sure to get my newest phone used, but that comes with the risk of getting a Verizon model (in the US) which can’t be bootloader unlocked. Had to return the first one I got off eBay for that reason, and the second one I made sure to ask the seller where they initially got it from.
It’s wild to me that that’s legal here. Devices should have to be carrier agnostic.
capitalism babyyyyy
Not much longer im sure. I have no reason to believe that they will continue making it possible to un/relock the bootloader considering their push for google certified only android.
This is what I’m afraid of too. I could see apps like fdroid and the ability to install custom roms being taken away within the next year or two. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t have a good feeling. I need Linux phones to be a thing now more than ever.
This doesn’t happen in a vacuum. If you’re not already, find a project and contribute towards it some way.
I assume you either mean financially or in terms of general support and word of mouth. Trust me, I wish I could be a dev so, so badly, but as interesting as code and computers are, I’m light years away from getting in there and being able to fuck with shit. I love learning about programming, but I’m not the best at actually learning it. lmao
I say, as I sit in a first level computer science class, typing this because I’m totally lost in the actual lecture.
Yes, I said “in some way” because not everyone can contribute code directly. There are other things besides money you can offer to contribute (graphic design, community/brand management, communication, general organizational tasks, forum moderation, etc) but funding is usually the simplest and most necessary.
I wish Ubuntu Touch wasn’t the main player because I dont want to give Canonical money 😭 Better than Google or Microsoft though.
Wdym by “you could see” as if its not whats already announced to be happening. Fdroid will not cooperate with googles app verification process which means Fdroid will stop working on all google certified devices, meaning everything other than devices with custom ROMs. NewPipe also announced they wont get google verified meaning it will stop working too.
Is the “Nothing” phone product a custom ROM? Sorry if dumb question I’m a bit out of my element.
ROM basically is just another word for operating system so its about the software not the hardware. So only devices (phones) that allow you to install your own custom operating system (like a modified version of the original android that comes with it or even a proper linux OS) will allow you to install apps not certified by google.
Most of the time people talk about custom roms they mean open source software that replaces the pre installed closed source software. Nothing phones are closed source so they are probably not on the “good” side here.
I never know what to expect from Google. They respect open source efforts to an extent, but play Calvinball with where they draw the line. In any case, Motorola will be an option soon, maybe more. And there are other custom ROMs, albeit not as thorough as Graphene. And for me? They can’t take it away now that I already did it, so I’m good for up to 7 years unless my phone breaks.
If I recall correctly grapheneOS is going to switch to Motorola for their new releases
I didn’t want to give google any money, so I am using a Pixel 6 I got for free at this time. Actually moved from an iPhone 15 and it does not feel slower at all with Graphene OS. I’ll have to upgrade in October when support runs out though, so I’ll be eying used Pixel 9a’s in the summer.
Flagship hardware has been sufficient long term for a while now. I’d still be using my 6 year old phone if it had security updates and I wasn’t getting into privacy and security
This is exactly what i just did. No regrets. Foss everything, no mainstream social media. I love it
The Fediverse is not perfect, but it actually blew my mind a bit how much it lowered my blood pressure to not see the constant ragebait, and the calm of not being exposed and monitored at all times. I still have Snapchat just for one person, and WhatsApp which is Meta but still E2EE. Other than that, I’m all in on FOSS privacy approved apps and man does it feel great.
I made the switch to Linux and Lemmy right around the same time. Once I was free of it all it was like relaxing a muscle I didn’t know had been tense for decades. Android is next… Just as soon as I figure out jellyfin…
I also just switched to Linux! Well dual booting Windows for now but only for gaming really, and until I figure out if Ardour is good enough for me for music production. But still: Microsoft has nothing except my game saves now, no tax documents or web history, etc.
What distro did you go with?
I’m also looking into making a home server to ditch streaming services and so I dont need 250 GB of music on my. phone. Got to be able to afford the RAM though…
Mint. I’m not a “tech genius” and it was presented as an easy intro to Linux. I feel no need to distro hop, getting by just fine with my little minty penguin thank you very much!
Mint is pretty legit. Their Cinnamon desktop is looking a lot prettier these days too.
I landed on Fedora KDE because I need gaming features like VRR, and still wanted features like Secure Boot & a distro with a lot of users and documentation.
Jellyfin is the shit. Lemme know if you have questions.
No questions in particular as of yet. Still assembling hardware. I’m going for a server built on a NAS
This will be the hardest thing you will do in your life that you will never regret.
I love how encouraging the self hosted community is.
Dude, it’s super awesome, but telling you it’s easy could potentially push you away from doing it, plus transparency is always the best policy. Additionally, it’s not that it’s hard, really, it does have a learning curve, and it’s difficulty will mostly be determined by how much you like challenges. The best part is that too many of us have already tried, failed, tried again, and succeeded, so you can always lean on us.
I get you, I wasn’t being sarcastic. Going through something difficult has a way of bringing people together, especially if you still love it after the effort.
Oh no, by no means did I think that, no worries bud. I can tell you that, when I started, about 11 years ago with a Synology NAS, I was scared as hell, but I found it so fascinating that I, a complete ignorant on how technology works at the software level, could suddenly own some of my data. I made so many mistakes, list so much data for not following correct backup streamlines, and pissed off a lot of my friends and family when they had to go through 2 or 3 more clicks when I shared something. And it’s great. Jesus, I’ve deployed Joplin and I mich so many times and in so many mixed of bare-metal and containers that I can’t tell you for sure what I have running right now unless I start digging into each of my ProxMox VMs and LXCs to try and figure out where each thing connects to the other. Evidently, I’ve been keeping proper 3-2-1 backups for the last 7 years, and have broken so much stuff over the years, trying UnRaid, truena, OMV, CasaOS, and a whole lot of stuff more. Dude, in all honesty, just make sure your irreplaceable data is safe preferably offline, and go at it. Break stuff, and then enjoy the satisfaction of finally having it running after 2 or 3 sleepless nights, only to break it again by placing a comma I the wrong place because your brain refuses to keep going 🤣🤣.
It’s fun man, that’s the best part, owning your data and flipping the finger at big tech and givernments is just the added value. That’s my opinion anyway.
I strongly recommend TrueNAS Scale. It’s built on Debian, and has full docker implementation.
TrueNAS Scale’s Docker implementation is currently really mediocre - it’s implemented as an app store style experience - and deploying/managing containers via the CLI isn’t officially supported although it works fine. They do have a more generic container management implementation in beta at the moment.
sadly it was announced that TrueNAS is becoming closed source Closed Source TrueNAS
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Jellyfin truly is the shit. Now if only I could somehow hook it into authentik and traefik for sso without pulling all my hair out… 🤪
I got a cloudflare tunnel going. Easy peasy.
do you know what to replace android with?
GrapheneOS :)
isnt that still android
Yes. It is hardened a lot though, easily the most secure and private. Ubuntu Touch is maybe more private because Linux but it’s barely functional. iOS in lockdown mode is decent, better than stock Android.
checkout Gelato for jellyfin if you are low on disk space
As far as you are told. There is no verification that is true.
They have had some third party audits. It is not totally convincing to me as being trustworthy, but I see it as more of an acceptable necessary evil. Better than Discord, Snapchat, Facebook Messenger, probably even SMS. My wife’s whole family uses just WhatsApp, and so do some businesses even in her country. Believe me though, anyone I can get on Signal, Matrix, Session, etc, I do.
There have been third party audits, but the conclusions have been that you can’t know if it’s implemented correctly or at all. Nature of closed source. Because you can’t know where the keys are.
I get the doing business in their country. That is so difficult to overcome. I will not do it. Foot down on that one, and it does make it hard. My wife’s family does the same as you mentioned. I just tell them they are literally paying for fascism. They don’t care. Or you can pick from many of the ills of Meta products (energy use, AI, misinformation, or even simply making someone a billionaire by contributing nothing to society).
Makes it hard.
I’m working on it and avoid it when I can as I mentioned. The only reason I mentioned it is that it’s one of the last vestiges of apps I don’t fully trust. I treat it like SMS or email, I don’t send anything I don’t expect could be audited by the government with the right subpoenas.
But sometimes I’m in a weird position. If I need to order food in my wife’s country, I am not going to be able to contact the restaurant without WhatsApp. Then I, as a white American who doesn’t know them, am going to explain to the delivery guy the reasons why they shouldn’t support American fascism, in their native language that I am not 100% fluent in?
It isn’t American fascism of course. It’s everywhere.
But I get it, I find myself in the same boat traveling and visiting family. It really is pervasive. So in your scenario you can’t just go pick it up yourself?
I know there are other ones though: Everything in some places works like this where they want to do a call back - deliveries, doctors appointments, services. WhatsApp has almost, if not completely, replaced the phone, so even getting a local sim doesnt help.
I simply refuse to play along. I wont do it. Somehow we seem to work it out.
Lol, story of my life. But the best part is looking at people’s faces when you say ‘I don’t have whatsapp’ 🤣
But there is a nearly continuous stream of occurrences where Meta is caught lying.
It is actually verified e2ee. However, they do keep a ‘spare key’ for every single user and chat, you know, in case they need to help you, the good guys at Meta.
Can you show me where it’s verified? Did someone get to see the code?
As far as I’m aware Moxie Marlinspike made the encryption before it was acquired by Facebook. One of the founders of WhatsApp now finances Marlinspike’d Signal messenger.
In theory Meta only sees who you communicate with, but not what you communicate.
(I wouldn’t be surprised if the bastards are trying to undo the encryption if they already haven’t.)
not that it really matters, but it was a few years after the acquisition.
nccgroup.com/…/_ncc_group_whatsapp_e001000m_repor…
eprint.iacr.org/2023/843.pdf
Also, their e2ee is built on the signal protocol. Now, their server code and client code are not open source, so they could have left all types of doors open for their benefit. Also, the Metadata is not encrypted at all, something they actually brag about for some reason.
And just to be clear, I am a genuine 'everything-meta-hater" (and Google, MicroShit, Crapple, Crapsung, etc.), but spreading misinformation doesn’t help preaching about privacy and security.
That verified if their backups were end to end encrypted though right?
It’s also interesting what was out of scope:
Dude, you seem to be under the impression that I’m somehow defending meta, and you’re evidently in battle mode. I said my piece, provided the evidence as requested. I guess this is where I drop off of this convoy for ith you, buddy. Make of it what you will. Have a good day.
No, I am not in battle mode. I just read the link and found it interesting and responded with things I saw in it.
What I didn’t do, was realize you sent TWO links, and I failed to read the second one. But believe me I am not trying to argue in any way. I am just responding.
The second link was also just for backups.
Again, I am just saying that they are not able to demonstrate that they are actually implementing this, AND that both of those links are for backups only. Thats all.
And I totally get what you were driving at: it doesn’t matter, they have a “spare key”.
I don’t think it will. It’s just another outside audit (no idea if país by meta or not though). It is E2ee, that’s the bottom line. Now, the implementation is what dictates what that’s worth. It’s no different than client-side scanning or Microsoft co-pilot. What’s the point of having e2ee if someone else can get access either before encryption or by a third party, like meta, having a master key to decrypt anyway?
The first thing was if there was any indo of e2ee being implemented, there’s plenty, even Cloudflare audited them at one point if I recall correctly. But, nobody knows how it’s implemented, except for meta, and that’s where the lack of trust resides, because we all trust meta as far as we can throw our cars.
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Here it’s us, real people rage-baiting you on employer time!
Ah yes, organic rage bait instead of Ai swirls fancy wine
You guys have employers?
Shitposting from under the bridge in the Canadian winter sucks so wage labour it is.
Why use WhatsApp instead of Signal? I don’t go near WhatsApp because of Meta, so I genuinely know very little about it.
I don’t, I use Signal whenever I can. WhatsApp is for businesses that use it, and the people who refuse to go to Signal, or can’t figure it out. Like my mother in law tried but got confused and so far have been unsuccessful troubleshooting why long distance. But I still need to talk to her.
because in some countries it’s been the default means of communication for over a decade, which means a network effect.
It really goes to show no little of the abuse we suffer is inherently the Internet’s fault. Lemmy feels like the reddit I knew and loved of 15 years ago. Sure there’s some assholes I argue with but that’s the normal amount of shittieness not the turbocorpo abuse
A lot of it is hitting critical mass too. Reddit used to be tech enthusiasts and stem students the same way Fediverse is currently. Now any town idiot yahoo from the sticks will angrily yell at you on Reddit for no reason.
But yeah the algorithm is a lot stronger than it would seem.
Some are trying though. Some one tried to be a smart ass saying that us lemmyngs where cool with piratage when it is for random people but not when it is for facebook so we should be ashamed. He got his ass handed by multiple people. Good time. Not even an insult was thrown <3 it was civilized, I love you guys.
that reminds me of something … one of the greatest milestones of civilization is said to be canalization, and we are indeed all connected through shitposts :)
When I first joined Reddit, it was so similar to Lemmy in its principles. Relatively progressive, open source, tons of interesting people having real convos about the nerdiest stuff and talking about the world. It was real, and the fediverse has absolutely nailed recreating that sense of community. What a beautiful safe haven we have
it’s refreshing to see real internet community
E2EE but with a caveat that they can do on device detection of unencrypted messages and flag content back to mothership
What messages would be unencrypted in this scenario if it is E2EE? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
The what’s app is encrypted to get to your phone so transmission is protected, however to view your message it is unencrypted (obvious) and at that stage WhatsApp will parse it for key stuff such as Child Sexual stuff, or other threats they have determined they look for, that then triggers a data send back to the mother ship. The problem with this is if the Government wants to silence a political opponent or journalist they can go to Meta and request a search other than CSAM. So end to end encryption via any META product is a joke
Hm yeah that blows.
haha, the “lowered my bloodpressure” bit is sooo relatable :)
I just did this too, except I bought a refurbished Pixel, so I paid someone else $100 for Google to fuck off lol.
GrapheneOS seems to feel the same way about Google: grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116159602850585685
GrapheneOS currently relies on Google for both hardware and security updates. The Motorola thing is encouraging, but they never should have built on Google phones to begin with.
Google? Motorola news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47214645
Yeah I’m on a 2025 moto, done the best I can with shizuku but it’s trash. I’d leave it at home.
Soon, but not yet! I needed to upgrade, can’t wait until 2027 or whenever. But hoping it’ll be one of their flagships, the new Razr is pretty dope specs wise.
i hipe it’s gonna be a not flagship one, because otherwise i’ll not be able to afford it :(
e/OS/
Security is not so good there:
https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/backlog/-/issues/9201
https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/backlog/-/issues/9200
You can say that for anything…
Lineage
From google? I got mine from second hand market
That still drives sales and demand for future manufactured Pixels… Google thanks you for your patronage.
They are low priced because they expect data harvesting to happen
Agreed! The shocking part for me is how few folks are forgetting the most basic tenets of high school econ, supply and demand.
They’re aren’t 8 billion used pixels to go around, and if there were… GOOGLE WOULD BUILD MORE. It’s an ineffective boycott.
This joining gets me a lot of downvotes on Reddit, but I’m telling you, GOS acolytes are the cross-fitters of the degoogling world.
Its the best we have until Linux phones become more viable
Does it? I men’s yeah there are several people that upgraded and sold their old model but they could as well go for another phone
I don’t trust Google hardware
What other hardware do you trust, if any?
Murena Fairphone
Only Chinese. OnePlus and Motorola. . I’m waiting on Motorola to release a device specifically for graphene
What makes Chinese hardware more trustworthy?
It’s not made by a US company. Meaning there is no insensives to add us gov backdoors or something for military or for companies like palantir.
Google is an ad company. They have insensitives to collect all the data on us.
Oh yeah cause China is known for freedom and privacy.
I hate big tech too but i promise you China is no better.
I’m. I’m going to disagree. All the antihuman inventions like AI and palanter recently seems to be coming from domestic geniuses
and china has almost all messaging through government controlled app wechat, qr payments everywhere, active tracking for social credit score, and blocked internet traffic for specific websites. they are definitely big on surveillance…
if anything they have more incentive to add backdoors to phones going overseas, look at what happened with huawei
That person (if they are a person at all) to whom you’re responding can’t be serious.
How is that not indirectly funding Google?
And the only price, you’ll need to see the Google logo flash brightly every time you reboot.
Gives me a jumpscare when I apply updates, not gonna lie
I hâte this reminder too. But the constant playsyore is missing permissions is a reward. Yes stay here little software keep complaining, your owner can go fuck them self.
This is the way
I still have my CAD $210 Google credit from Google because they throtted my Pixel, and I might let it expire because I want a Fairphone instead.
I couldn’t do it myself. Ended up going Fairphone and Calyx instead. Just patiently waiting for Calyx to start releasing again.
I’m on the same boat; FP4 + CalyxOS. Do you know have they (Calyx) confirmed anything about the projects future? Last I heard was in around december, and things were quite uncertain back then.
They’re getting closer. Last update was end of Feb. Most of their updates seem to about security stuff I don’t understand, but it’s nice to see they’re working on it.
I hope they’re not ending the project. They were pretty comfortably the best Graphene alternative but you’ll need security updates.
True. The OG GrapheneOS alternative was DivestOS, which actually pulled a lot of features from Graphene. Still so sad that project ended
They’re still working on it. Getting closer and closer to releasing again. No timeline unfortunately though.
I’m glad that GrapheneOS exist, and it’s sad that they are the exception and not the rule.
I think projects like CalyxOS and LineageOS should adopt some feature from GrapheneOS like contact/storage scopes, sandboxed Google Play Services, Network and Sensor toggles.
At the same time, I think GrapheneOS needs to reevaluate their presence in social media.
but seriously, drop the smart phone entirely.
Blackberry could’ve made such a good comeback. What a shame.
Nah, fuck them. They were no different from Google and Apple, and had monopolistic tendencies as well. If anything, Google is the lesser evil since Android is at least open source, whereas BB10 was as locked down as iOS.
Blackberry also killed/sold off their hardware teams, so they have no capacity to make a comeback. All they have left is their nostalgia-loaded brand.
Idk it depends on your reasons for the comparison. I believe they had monopolistic tendencies (as do both Google and Apple, so does Nintendo regarding its hardware as well) but the last time I checked they weren’t nearly as focused on surveillance.
I mostly just mean there is a market right now for physical keyboards. That is the extent of depth I intended with this comment. I’m not educated enough in hardware markets to speak on Blackberrys place in them or their ethics.
While a terminal solution, that’s not a real solution. I’ll agree replacing everything 1:1 isn’t the way we should go. But, we have the technology and infrastructure to enjoy having a mini-PC we can hold in our hand while also maintaining our privacy and avoiding enshitified applications.
It doesn’t have to be a zero-sum game.
Maybe, you could buy a Motorola as well in the near future.
motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions…
The only reason I don’t use GrapheneOS is because of thte tight coupling they have with Google’s hardware.
Why, because you can’t afford it (reasonable), because you think it helps Google (unreasonable), because you think it’s a privacy risk (unreasonable), or because it feels icky (unreasonable)?
The profits from Pixel hardware sales are a drop in the bucket for Google. I’m pretty sure the only reason it exists is so they can have insight and control over the hardware ecosystem, as without it they’d be driven by whatever Samsung wants to do.
The walled Android ecosystem is where they make the bulk of their money, and Graphene actively pulls people away from that and to something objectively better. Graphene is fully de-Googled and safe from their spyware, and exists outside of their business model. Using and promoting Graphene actively hurts Google, even if you have them $1k for a phone.
Also, there are plenty of cheap second hand pixels on ebay, and Google doesn’t see a penny from those sales. Recycling is good for the planet anyways.
I personally think this can be reasonable if you’re the type to talk all about your hardware with people. You might not like promoting Google, so you choose a different device with a different privacy OS because you would rather talk about that to people.
For me, I don’t talk about my phone much to people - so I just bought a second hand Pixel 8, put Graphene on it, and popped a sticker over the Google logo. Using a case that’s not clear does just as good of a job. I will probably replace it with a Motorola eventually when they start releasing phones with GrapheneOS on it.
It’s not that they have a deal with Google, it’s that Google’s hardware security is best bar none except maybe iPhone. And Graphene is the best way to degoogle, as counter intuitive as it may seem. They are working with other manufacturers to get these security requirements for new phones so Graphene can be put on them.
They are currently in talks to use Verizon phones.
Edit: whoops that was Motorola, my bad.
Motorola announces partnership with GrapheneOS.
motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions…
They’ve got SD cards and headphone jacks too.
That’s pretty bloody awesome!
Worth it. Try any Samsung phone with Google’s shit and Samsung’s shit on top: I swear you these one are practically unusable, like you carrying an bloated mini-ad-computer with you. A implanted bug in your teeth or ass would hurt probably less then this. Before I use any of those, I rather use a “dumb” phone again.
Debloating an S10 was removing a long list of shit. I have seen the list only got longer with the newer models indeed. But one can survive, with the right tools.
Same here. Google pixel 10 with grapheneOS.
I really wanted GrapheneOS, but ended up with /e/OS on a fairphone because I refuse to give Google any more money.
After replacing the default launcher with Lawnchair, I’m pretty happy with it. The physical switch (remapped to control the torch) is a nice touch.
I don’t understand. Do you not know that buying second hand means the company does not get your money? I bought a second hand Pixel 8 at the end of 2024 just to put GrapheneOS on it, and I also refuse to give Google money.
I bought my Mum a Pixel 8 also this year, and put GrapheneOS on it - also second hand.
Either way, I’m happy for you that you ended up with a private phone, I just don’t understand why so many people seem to forget that second hand is a way of not supporting companies.
Yes buying second hand stops you giving your money to Google, however it still supports ppl buying them in the first place. And that supports Google.
I wish there was more options in the Graphene space as it’s something I’d love to tinker with too. But also don’t wanna buy from Google.
Hence why I go back to hoping projects like pinephone take off (albeit I’m realistic of the chances of that happening)
that’s not how second hand purchasing works
It kind of does, most of my tech friendly family members refuse to buy Chinese phones, not because they care about privacy but because they have no resale values. They only buy iphones, samsung and google.
If Google secondhand market crashes, I’m pretty sure some of them drop Google from their acceptable phone list. I’m not saying it’s direct impact of Google, but at least it’s indirect in the sense they will not buy Google next time.
So if you buy secondhand Google 8, you are part paying your sellers next Google pixel 10. It’s a bit mental gymnastics, but not baseless theory.
Has Hunter S Thompson always been in Trailer Park Boys?
Lahey and Hunter S Thompson don’t seem all that different.
The alternate reality where he ended up being a cop instead of a journalist.
He ran for sheriff at one point