can't they still id you with a mask? apples face id can work with a mask. though I suppose that has depth data too
TragicNotCute@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 2024 20:48
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Almost certainly. The facial ID is good enough that US customs didn’t even want to see my passport. Just a photo was enough to let me back in the country. I even significantly changed my hair between departure and arrival. Shit is scary.
z00s@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 2024 03:45
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The method that Cap_able has patented allows the wearer to incorporate the algorithm into the fabric of the clothing and still look stylish.
I was with you up until the stylish bit
LodeMike@lemmy.today
on 19 Jul 2024 03:53
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Ghost uses a frame-applied material that reflects both infrared and visible light. In low light environments they will maintain your privacy on cameras using infrared for illumination and also block 3D infrared facial mapping during both day & night. The visible light reflection can make you anonymous in images/videos using a flash in low light.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 19 Jul 2024 15:03
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Ghost is $170 (US, I’m assuming). Not great but not bad for a wicked cool looking pair of sunglasses. Considering Ray-Bans are around $200 (and, no offense, look like they’re from Tesco), and that Ghost are privacy focused, I’d say that price seems not that bad. Still high, though.
If they can target the underlying architecture of the models like nightshade does, it will actually be quite hard to deal with for the surveillance companies.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee
on 20 Jul 2024 13:04
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Interesting concept if we can target and poison the definatly stolen training data.
DemBoSain@midwest.social
on 19 Jul 2024 04:54
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This would be a good article if the pictures actually showed people wearing the clothes.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 19 Jul 2024 15:13
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A friend of mine’s dad worked in some capacity of pigs. Which lead to my friend finding out that some people had either by really random luck in attempting something like the comic or also finding out from interacting with pigs. That in the city I lived in, there is like a “panic” signal that auto calls for lots of help that involved hitting a specific letter or number multiple times. For some reason I want to say it was maybe either zero or O, but I don’t remember off hand.
So when they would be quickly inputting a plate with enough taps and not thinking, shit would cause resources to be pulled and wasted. Not great for attracting attention to the driver since it is basically pulling aggro. But could be great for moving attention from somewhere else.
Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Jul 2024 05:47
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Good for privacy! But I really doubt it would work for all recognition systems.
Some funny pitfalls that may occur -
Self driving cars would prefer to hit that person if had to make a choice between him and some other human.
And, there is possibility that the Street mapping cars would not blur his face for the lack of detection.
fernandu00@lemmy.ml
on 19 Jul 2024 11:28
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$246?! I can’t afford that. For that price I’d rather avoid cameras and such. Cool technology though
whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml
on 19 Jul 2024 15:01
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Absolutely cool. I will have to revise all my internalized cyberpunk imagery though.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub
on 19 Jul 2024 15:12
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Similar tech has been around for a while, and it almost always gets beaten.
CableMonster@lemmy.ml
on 19 Jul 2024 20:30
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AI probably was already patched 5 minutes after the article came out.
I don’t know either, I wasn’t trying to be condescending or anything.
OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml
on 20 Jul 2024 12:14
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Yeah but they don’t use LLMs for this, they’ll use some other kind of machine learning mixed in a big pipeline of data processing. It makes it really hard to guess how much work it would take to fix. It might require retraining, might just require an easy patch of the rest of the pipeline.
My guess is that they’re just shitty jumpers and there’s nothing to fix anyway.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 19 Jul 2024 21:01
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Their demo video looks horrible. They are using a trash algorithm to demo the detection failing.
The girl also moves extremely slowly and permanently has her arms out to the side at the elbows. I assume this is the only way they could get the results they wanted to show.
whotookkarl@lemmy.world
on 19 Jul 2024 21:18
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400-700 for a single article of clothing with no mention of what facial recognition software this affects, how effective it is and what is the failure rate, error bounds, etc. Sounds like a scam.
I wouldn’t call it a “scam” just manipulative marketing. This stuff doesn’t seem like it’d work for any of the modern facial recognition options, but that’s just a guess. If it did work well and they were proud of it, you can be sure that’d be part of the marketing, so it at best is mediocre if not useless.
ruplicant@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jul 2024 11:53
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I wouldn’t call it a “scam” just manipulative marketing
the difference?
HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jul 2024 14:25
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Not who you asked, but I think some might argue that it would be a scam if you ordered it and it didn’t arrive or something like that. If it works against one facial recognition model than technically it is just bad marketing. Either way is bad, though.
So I don’t know if you guys actually read the article or not but they absolutely DO claim that it works against YOLO which they claim to be the most popular recognition software. I don’t know about how factual any of that is, but they do make the statement.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
on 20 Jul 2024 02:21
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It’s only a matter of time before a cop charges someone with obstruction for trying to disrupt a camera system (during the commission of a crime, I mean).
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 20 Jul 2024 04:40
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Or they just work around it
Etterra@lemmy.world
on 20 Jul 2024 02:48
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So I guess we’re wearing broken JPEGs now huh?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 20 Jul 2024 04:39
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threaded - newest
This will work for about 10 minutes. Better off wearing a facemask, bandana, juggalo face paint, etc
I’ll take the juggalo face paint even though I am not a juggalo
Wrong answer.
can't they still id you with a mask? apples face id can work with a mask. though I suppose that has depth data too
Almost certainly. The facial ID is good enough that US customs didn’t even want to see my passport. Just a photo was enough to let me back in the country. I even significantly changed my hair between departure and arrival. Shit is scary.
I was with you up until the stylish bit
Stylish != fashionable
<img alt="1000000504" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0ada0bfe-beb2-4a82-ad10-8438d18de165.jpeg">
Oh right. I forget that definitions change
When did it change?
IDK. 15 years ago maybe
maybe it never changed
Everyone’s a critic
I for one think looking like a texture ripped from DooM is stylish.
Unfortunatly its a cat and mouse game. Except the cat is a easily deployable software problem and the mouse is buy new clothing hardware problem.
Led clothing anyone?
If its radioactive then it will disrupt the image sensor. It mist also disrupt your dna but u dont need that do ya.
Light emitting diode (screens sewn on fabric) not lead lined 😁
Fuck im retarded. But maybe a automated laser targeting system.
I guess I’ll just wear radium paint then.
they’ve been around for some time now: www.reflectacles.com
<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/a78a54c2-8583-4773-ae50-041e7bea3356.jpeg">
Ghost is $170 (US, I’m assuming). Not great but not bad for a wicked cool looking pair of sunglasses. Considering Ray-Bans are around $200 (and, no offense, look like they’re from Tesco), and that Ghost are privacy focused, I’d say that price seems not that bad. Still high, though.
If they can target the underlying architecture of the models like nightshade does, it will actually be quite hard to deal with for the surveillance companies.
Interesting concept if we can target and poison the definatly stolen training data.
This would be a good article if the pictures actually showed people wearing the clothes.
Literally the header image…
<img alt="" src="https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/a2fcc163-3b88-4cf5-a497-c614e844fb63.webp">
I see a couple people, and some oddly colored blobs.
Oh! HHahhahhhHah! That’s a good joke! Wooshed right over my head hahahahahahahah!
Edit: correct autocorrect
What’s with the floating heads?
🎶"Because I’m tacky…" 🎵
<img alt="" src="https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/license_plate.png">
A friend of mine’s dad worked in some capacity of pigs. Which lead to my friend finding out that some people had either by really random luck in attempting something like the comic or also finding out from interacting with pigs. That in the city I lived in, there is like a “panic” signal that auto calls for lots of help that involved hitting a specific letter or number multiple times. For some reason I want to say it was maybe either zero or O, but I don’t remember off hand.
So when they would be quickly inputting a plate with enough taps and not thinking, shit would cause resources to be pulled and wasted. Not great for attracting attention to the driver since it is basically pulling aggro. But could be great for moving attention from somewhere else.
William Gibson’s Ugly Shirt come to life
Good for privacy! But I really doubt it would work for all recognition systems.
Some funny pitfalls that may occur - Self driving cars would prefer to hit that person if had to make a choice between him and some other human. And, there is possibility that the Street mapping cars would not blur his face for the lack of detection.
$246?! I can’t afford that. For that price I’d rather avoid cameras and such. Cool technology though
Absolutely cool. I will have to revise all my internalized cyberpunk imagery though.
Similar tech has been around for a while, and it almost always gets beaten.
AI probably was already patched 5 minutes after the article came out.
You can’t really “patch” LLMs like most software; you’d have to retrain them, no?
Oh I dont know, I would just assume they could update (or retrain) to adapt pretty quickly.
I don’t know either, I wasn’t trying to be condescending or anything.
Yeah but they don’t use LLMs for this, they’ll use some other kind of machine learning mixed in a big pipeline of data processing. It makes it really hard to guess how much work it would take to fix. It might require retraining, might just require an easy patch of the rest of the pipeline.
My guess is that they’re just shitty jumpers and there’s nothing to fix anyway.
Their demo video looks horrible. They are using a trash algorithm to demo the detection failing.
The girl also moves extremely slowly and permanently has her arms out to the side at the elbows. I assume this is the only way they could get the results they wanted to show.
400-700 for a single article of clothing with no mention of what facial recognition software this affects, how effective it is and what is the failure rate, error bounds, etc. Sounds like a scam.
I wouldn’t call it a “scam” just manipulative marketing. This stuff doesn’t seem like it’d work for any of the modern facial recognition options, but that’s just a guess. If it did work well and they were proud of it, you can be sure that’d be part of the marketing, so it at best is mediocre if not useless.
the difference?
Not who you asked, but I think some might argue that it would be a scam if you ordered it and it didn’t arrive or something like that. If it works against one facial recognition model than technically it is just bad marketing. Either way is bad, though.
So I don’t know if you guys actually read the article or not but they absolutely DO claim that it works against YOLO which they claim to be the most popular recognition software. I don’t know about how factual any of that is, but they do make the statement.
It’s only a matter of time before a cop charges someone with obstruction for trying to disrupt a camera system (during the commission of a crime, I mean).
Or they just work around it
So I guess we’re wearing broken JPEGs now huh?
I want this to be a thing
Glitch art clothing would be dope even if it didn’t help with AI fuzzing.
Those people are just dressed like regular Australians.