Apple rolls out OS-level age verification in latest iOS 26.4 dev beta
from freedickpics@lemmy.ml to privacy@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 00:34
https://lemmy.ml/post/44086420

(Not sure if this is worldwide or only in some countries)

Updating to iOS 26.4DB2 will put your phone into a parental-restricted mode with adult websites blocked on all browsers, warning prompts every time you try to send or receive an explicit image on a messaging app, and all social media apps blocked on the App Store (in Australia)

The settings to disable this mode are locked off until you verify your age either with a credit card, photo ID, or though information Apple already has (like the age of your account).

I’ve been an apple user my entire adult life but this might finally be the thing that forces me off the platform. Do any other long term apple users have some tips about migrating? I’ve heard Ashai Linux is pretty good on mac hardware these days and I’ve been thinking about GrapheneOS for a while.

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7112@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 00:50 next collapse

This is insane. They have to view your images to deem of they are explicit…

Basically a year away from a universal internet ID that will track all movements and can be restricted if your government doesn’t like you.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 01:33 next collapse

That was already happening, as the option to block sending and receiving of such content was able to be turned on in your screen time settings, and you could mandate it for your children by managing your kids accounts on the family organizers device. If someone is under the age of 13 they are required to be on a family share, and if you don’t have “Ask to Buy” enabled, from what I know you won’t get a refund for anything with the excuse my kid bought this without permission.

Overall it all seems logical, but in those scenarios the ages and requirements are mostly all controlled by the parent.

7112@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 01:51 collapse

Scary. I had no idea it went beyond the iCloud scans. I avoided the cloud after that celebrity image leak.

Guess we might see a rise in offline or dumb devices. I wonder how this will affect other nations that already have restrictive internet access. If the US West becomes more locked down where would free and accessible info go?

Zephorah@discuss.online on 06 Mar 01:43 next collapse

Apple already views your images for child porn.

www.bbc.com/news/technology-58145943

7112@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 01:46 next collapse

Has this expanded from iCloud uploads? It’s crazy how using a device now requires users to allow company full access yo everything.

Zephorah@discuss.online on 06 Mar 01:49 collapse

I guess I never believed it was limited to iCloud.

DevotedShitStain69@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 02:02 next collapse

They probably do it for people like Donald and all his Epstein friends to save and pre order.

root@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 05:38 next collapse

Wanted to view*

joelfromaus@aussie.zone on 06 Mar 06:19 next collapse

Do they though? As a side note, I read the documentation for the proposed system of scanning and it was actually really well designed for privacy. The problem was if they were forced to expand the scope to include other material such as, for example, proof of protest against a regime.

Zephorah@discuss.online on 06 Mar 15:26 collapse

Com’n. All loss of privacy is a foot on the door to access more.

degen@midwest.social on 06 Mar 21:39 collapse

If you read the article, they don’t.

[deleted] on 06 Mar 23:19 next collapse

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Zephorah@discuss.online on 07 Mar 07:27 collapse

Who was the guy several years ago who was charged with child pornography for receiving a pic of his infant son’s rash for the doctor on his phone? Was that not iCloud via Apple scanning for questionable images?

Something I heard on the old OSINT podcast years ago.

degen@midwest.social on 07 Mar 23:34 collapse

Apple also said its anti-CSAM tool will not allow the company to see or scan a user’s photo album. It will only scan photos that are shared on iCloud.

The system will look for matches, securely on the device, based on a database of hashes of known CSAM images provided by child safety organisations.

Scanning yes, viewing no.

I remember hearing about that though. On first glance that shouldn’t be possible with what apple says they do. I feel like there was another detail I can’t recall that made more sense of it, but maybe not.

Zephorah@discuss.online on 07 Mar 23:54 collapse

Hey degen, I’ve got your journal in my hands right now. It’s ok though, I promise only to look at the cover and not read it. You’re cool with that right?

SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works on 08 Mar 18:45 collapse

Immich FTW

CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 02:29 next collapse

This also means they are tracking all the websites you are going to.

Auli@lemmy.ca on 06 Mar 04:57 collapse

They already are. Well depends on who they are I guess but someone is.

CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 14:50 collapse

This would be pre vpn or anything else you could do to protect your privacy - if it’s at the OS level it’s before the browser and VPN level

That’s not happening now, but it’s the only way the are gonna be able to to check content to make sure “ the children are safe “

ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 03:26 collapse

To get a sim card in Australia you need to show identification. There is no anonymity.

LordCrom@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 16:52 collapse

For a phone sim…of course you do. I mean they would know who pays the bill anyway right? Unless you have a phone company that takes bitcoin or cash only.

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 22:44 next collapse

Phone companies are required to collect and retain IDing info of customers to activate a phone number in Australia. There’s no way around it unfortunately

ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 02:45 collapse

You don’t need ID to buy a sim in the US or UK, or most countries in fact. Most sims in Australia are pre-paid, not contract.

PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 00:54 next collapse

After commercial OS have age verification they will remove it from the programs because the age was already verified, right? (Padme asking Anakin)

shrek_is_love@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 01:00 next collapse

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Marasenna@lemmygrad.ml on 06 Mar 12:50 collapse

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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 01:05 collapse

Nope, the CA/CO legislation requires that all applications utilize the OS-level age verification API!

nao@sh.itjust.works on 07 Mar 11:01 collapse

Doesn’t that mean that the application will not have to do the verification itself, but just ask the OS?

64bithero@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 00:56 next collapse

I find it odd to protect children they will stalk the hell out of us but won’t arrest known pedophiles …

I hate the world

Sims@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 01:07 next collapse

Better to just hate the whole Epstein Class. They trash the world for everyone else…

davel@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 03:11 collapse

We’ve had a name for them for the last 200 years: the capitalist class, or to be more precise, the haute bourgeoisie. The 1% of the 1%.

mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 13:20 collapse

the haute bourgeoisie. The 1% of the 1%.

The painful irony being that the bourgeoisie were still below the nobles

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 01:57 next collapse

If everyone voting for these age requirements don’t also vote to require you to use an ID to unlock the safety on a gun or remove a knife from the knife rack, they aren’t voting on this to protect the children.

Knives and guns need age verification before someone seeing Kate Upton showing her breasts.

Im going side with none of it needs age verification, and all of it needs parental guidance

ttyybb@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 04:45 collapse

At least knives have a use outside of killing

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 06 Mar 02:33 next collapse

It’s not to protect children though. It’s for political surveillance.

DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 02:54 collapse

Exactly. Governments around the world, including the U.S., of course, have made it crystal clear through their actions that they don’t give a fuck about protecting children.

Auli@lemmy.ca on 06 Mar 04:55 next collapse

In America.

lukaro@lemmy.zip on 06 Mar 12:31 next collapse

Yeah apparently it’s fine for them to fuck kids but too immoral to risk kids seeing people fucking.

TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 17:14 collapse

Also they’ll deny trans kids puberty blockers which are proven to be safe and reversible, and the alternative creates harm.

And they’ll censor the internet for ‘children’ (a 17 year old is not a child) to prevent them finding community, support or education outside their IRL religious and harmful bubbles.

It was never about actually protecting children

shrek_is_love@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 00:56 next collapse

When I first decided to switch to Linux, I started exclusively using apps that were available on Linux. This way I was able to gradually transition my workflows one app at a time without any rush. When I was ready to install Linux, I did it on a new computer so I still had access to everything on the old computer and there was no risk of going computer-less if the installation went sideways.

Also, keep in mind that Asahi only works on M1 and M2 Macs. (If you have an old Intel Mac, you can just run normal Linux without Asahi)

Oh and Veronica Explains has a great video about her experience with Asahi.

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 01:04 collapse

This might be a stupid question but when using ashai can you run any normal linux software or does it have to be specifically built for arm64/apple silicon?

harsh3466@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 01:12 next collapse

It’s gotta be built for arm64

driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br on 06 Mar 01:44 collapse

Can you use the makefile and compile?

harsh3466@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 02:01 next collapse

I’m pretty sure you can. I never did because I ended up having to go back to macos on the machine I had.

trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 06 Mar 05:23 collapse

Yes, you can. It’s just an ARM64 computer. The only special consideration is that the kernel uses 16K pages instead of 4K pages, but that’s not something I’ve encountered problems with.

snek_boi@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 01:32 collapse

I hope someday any normal Linux software will be usable in Apple hardware. Unfortunately, there are hurdles.

One of the biggest hurdles was getting code accepted into the Linux kernel.

This became very frustrating for the previous Asahi Linux lead developer. He would push upstream code and the Linux developers would not accept it.

Why didn’t they accept it? Because it was written in memory-safe Rust and not in memory-unsafe C. Old Linux developers don’t want to deal with Rust. So they just refuse to include Asahi Linux updates into normal Linux software.

cole@lemdro.id on 06 Mar 08:15 collapse

you’re losing a lot of nuances here, just want to add for other readers.

there was and are good reasons for why code wasn’t accepted

acantharea@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 00:59 next collapse

Lame - never updating my stuff and will move off smartphones.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 01:16 collapse

Not buying a car made after 2018.

Not buying electronics made after 2025.

Simple as.

starblursd@lemmy.zip on 06 Mar 01:05 next collapse

Sadly graphene will have to implement age verification too at some point as these laws spread like the ones in California that require ALL os providers including Linux to implement it albeit a pointless user dob input at account creation or be fined into the afterlife

Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 01:16 next collapse

Yep, I’m not sure how come everyone thinks graphene will somehow be exempt.

0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 09:08 collapse

They’re open source and their OEM partner, Lenovo is out of US sphere of influence. They can patch the code when it’s put on the phone, just like how manufacturers modify Android source code.

I hope GrapheneOS makes it easy to avoid and still verify integrity.

If they’re forced to have them in USA and EU, so be it. That’s their policy problem for their people. It’s a win for everyone else.

ilinamorato@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 01:37 next collapse

including Linux

How would they enforce that on an open-source platform?

nieminen@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 03:45 next collapse

Right, people can just compile their own, which I will absolutely do if need be

Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org on 06 Mar 08:12 collapse

Compile it on what tho?

nieminen@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 13:48 collapse

Already running Linux, so Linux. And they’re not going to be able to stop people sharing their compiled images

grue@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 03:55 collapse

By destroying all general-purpose computing available to consumers.

ilinamorato@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 04:13 collapse

You mean, like…rounding up every computer and burning them?

I really don’t know what you mean by this.

grue@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 06:14 next collapse

I mean DRMing and Tivoizing every new computer so that it can’t be rooted or jailbroken and Linux won’t run on it. Requiring a license from the state to have a compiler. You know, The Right to Read or Unauthorized Bread type shit.

ilinamorato@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 22:24 collapse

Well…I dunno. I don’t think you’re crazy or anything, I’m sure there are some who absolutely do want to do that. But they’ve been trying to get rid of digital piracy for thirty years and haven’t made any headway, so I’m dubious about how well that would work.

grue@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 23:06 collapse

Only because, up to this point, we’ve been successful at pushing back against this tyranny. But make no mistake: that is the real goal of this “age verification” bullshit.

ilinamorato@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 04:12 collapse

Maybe so, but there’s no profit motive for tech companies to aid users with piracy. There is one to continue providing general computing to users. So if we were able to win in the former, the latter should be a cake walk.

illi@piefed.social on 06 Mar 07:45 collapse

Probably over time. Look at the RAM situation - the fear is this will be the norm. At best.

Corngood@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 05:11 next collapse

The California law doesn’t require age verification, just a setting on the account that e.g. a parent can set. It’s still stupid, but it’s not what apple is supposedly doing here.

gnuthing@lemmygrad.ml on 06 Mar 15:02 collapse

They can just add a disclaimer saying it’s not available in CA. Could even block CA IP addresses from downloads

oeuf@slrpnk.net on 06 Mar 01:13 next collapse

prompts every time you try to send or receive an explicit image on a messaging app

Does this mean they caved in to the UK’s client-side scanning stuff after all?

kinkles@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 01:14 next collapse

I’m only on 26.3 and I got an iOS age verification popup today when opening an app for hospital/medical stuff. I was able to just close it and continue but it was surprising.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 01:43 next collapse

I would imagine the health app has multiple age groups. Where as an 18+ can probably save and share medical data to doctors or store it in iCloud, it’s probably illegal some places for minors to have health data being backed up to Apple’s shit.

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 03:26 next collapse

26.3.1 will be the last version without the mandatory verification

awaysaway@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 05:12 next collapse

i accepted this to use a health insurance app. anyway to go back from here?

favoredponcho@lemmy.zip on 06 Mar 07:19 collapse

Yeah, same, but if you close it and continue the app will treat you as if you are a child. You need to explicitly share with the app. What’s being shared seems to be just that you’re an adult or not an adult. It’s basically like an OS level “click here to confirm you are 18.” Except the OS knows your birthday.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 01:14 next collapse

I’ll figure out a way to bypass this or switch to Linux entirely.

And then probably end up in a camp.

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 01:32 next collapse

What…is this shit? What’s the real reason behind this? What senator or governor has a brother in law in the age verification business that got this corruptioned into being a thing all of a sudden?

bpalmerau@aussie.zone on 06 Mar 12:35 next collapse

Surveillance data

Zephorah@discuss.online on 06 Mar 01:46 collapse

It’s not age verification. It’s identity verification.

There is no way to truly verify age without verifying identity. And then all your data can be linked up accurately.

NarrativeBear@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 01:53 next collapse

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birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 06 Mar 01:53 next collapse

Alright, time to go to a different phone. Gonna buy Fairphone tomorrow.

(Or Motorola, if it’s true that it’s gonna have GrapheneOS on it).

tropicflite@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 03:55 collapse

I just installed Graphene OS on my Pixel 6 yesterday and it runs like a champ. You should be able to pick up a used Pixel 6 or newer for pretty cheap as another option

davel@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 02:09 next collapse

Thank you, Tim Apple, for making 2026 the year of the Linux desktop (but not necessarily the Ubuntu, Fedora, or Mint desktop).

MalReynolds@slrpnk.net on 06 Mar 04:20 next collapse

(but not necessarily the Ubuntu, Fedora, or Mint desktop).

Rut. Thanks for ruining my day, sigh. That shit better be a patch away from removal / spoofing…

TiredTiger@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 06:31 collapse

I’m hoping the implementation is something like ‘check this box to confirm you’re over 18,’ and nothing more.

Goldenring@lemmy.ca on 06 Mar 07:20 collapse

I have a Macbook air now. Do you recommend me to buy a Lenovo thinkpad? Qubes os is the top pick, I heard.

dogs0n@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 20:56 collapse

Linux can run on macbooks, you can probably look up the model online and see if it has good support. I used to run debian on a macbook, though that macbook was from 2013 or something like that.

On the other hand, if you can sell your macbook and get more than a good thinkpad (for your use) is selling for, I would do that.

Goldenring@lemmy.ca on 06 Mar 21:29 collapse

The air model has a M4 chip. Fedora, Whonix and Quebo doesn’t support… I’ll wait for another months.

mindbleach@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 02:29 next collapse

I don’t give a shit what children see.

They’ll live.

Stop spying on adults.

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 03:25 collapse

I mean some shit you find online is pretty grim but when I was a kid I knew the internet was for adults and didn’t expect everything to be catered to me. Now the status quo seems to be “every website must be kid/advertiser friendly and PG13 by default, everything else must be locked behind a verification prompt”. How did we get here?

Croquette@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 03:38 next collapse

It’s just a facade to justify mining more data for power, influence and money.

Simple as that.

Auli@lemmy.ca on 06 Mar 04:55 collapse

We let 5 companies control the internet. Instead of being the distributed thing it was dreamed up to be we allowed it to consolidate.

mindbleach@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 06:36 collapse

And it’s not like servers have gotten harder to run! Pirates serve terabytes of data that’s straight-up illegal! Your fuckin’ commercial connection should be plenty for any damn thing you want.

ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 02:34 next collapse

The example of the age of your account made me realize I’m old

UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com on 06 Mar 03:06 collapse

Wow I just checked when the first purchase was made on my Apple account, turns out it’s old enough to vote

Octagon9561@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 03:13 next collapse

If the West follows into the footsteps of the propaganda they are spreading against China, I’d rather go live in China because at least there people don’t live paycheck to paycheck despite working multiple jobs. Every accusation against China was a confession.

Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 03:30 next collapse

Same with DPRK.

[deleted] on 06 Mar 08:17 next collapse

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Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 09:28 collapse

Cool ableism now get in the pit asshole

cole@lemdro.id on 06 Mar 09:29 collapse

how the fuck is that ableism

Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 09:56 next collapse

Telling me I am “insane” for saying I would rather live somewhere that has housing and health care mandated by the state.

Go fuck yourself. You are falling for racist propaganda against a state designated enemy and need to fucking educate yourself.

Here in “enlightened America” I have the privalege of giving most of my income to a landlord and don’t even get a fucking kitchen.

Fuck you and every other racist capitalist apologist like you. Literally I would not shed a tear over your death if you did not first repent and admit you have been lied to and are perpetuating racist imperialist propaganda because you can’t be fucking bothered to the bare minimum of investigation on the matters on which you speak.

I would never call you “insane” because that would imply some inherent mental defect. No you are a product of western propaganda and it is your responsibility to fucking educate yourself. I am working overtime doing three+ jobs just to fucking survive so figure your shit out and fuck the fuck all the way off. Get back to me when you have investigated your own claims.

No investigation no fucking right to speak motherfucker.

cole@lemdro.id on 06 Mar 10:19 collapse

I think if you can’t admit the obvious problems with the DPRK then there is no conversation to be had here.

China, I understand. North Korea? I do not.

I certainly do not think that calling me racist out of the blue is helping your case, either.

JustSo@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 10:29 next collapse

shut up cracker

Krem@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 10:48 next collapse

I’ve never seen any western propaganda against the DPRK that wasn’t at best implicitly racist (and it’s often explicitly so), so the people that watch it and swallow it without question are likely to be racist in the same fashion.

Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 12:05 next collapse

China, I understand. North Korea? I do not.

Well congratulations you are getting less racist. Now keep going and examine what you have against the DPRK. By the way, the fact that you call it “north Korea” is inherently racist. You should listen to the Blowback episodes about the Korean war. What you understand as “south Korea” is not a separate country but is a dictatorship in an occupied region set up because the west cannot allow the legitimate government of the DPRK to survive because of old holdovers of “containment” during the cold ware where anything and everything was “justified” as long as it prevented the horrifying spread of communism (aka good things that threaten global corporate profits).

cole@lemdro.id on 06 Mar 18:28 next collapse

I find it hard to believe that “North Korea” is racist.

That’s literally the cardinal direction of that country.

Other things…

  • I dated a Korean!
  • I’ve been to South Korea!

Thinking South Korea is a dictatorship but North Korea is sunshine and rainbows is… delusional imo.

I’m not sure if you’ve been to either but I have to assume no.

Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net on 07 Mar 20:23 collapse

Gonna start calling the US “North Cuba” because cArDiNaL dIrEcTiOn

Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 07 Mar 20:33 next collapse

North Mexico would problem be closer but still doesn’t work.

cole@lemdro.id on 07 Mar 20:41 collapse

sure, go for it.

although I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s not comparable here.

it’s called the Korean peninsula. One country is on the north, one is on the south. pretty hard to argue that North Korea and South Korea don’t logically follow from that.

ThermonuclearHoxha@hexbear.net on 07 Mar 20:19 collapse

By the way, the fact that you call it “north Korea” is inherently racist.

Can I ask for clarity on why calling the DPRK “North Korea” is racist? Is it just on the grounds of legitimizing the Samsung Republic occupation zone w.r.t. the atrocities of the Korean war?

Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 16:54 next collapse

Buddy you are being racist in this comment what are the “obvious problems with the DPRK”?

WHAT ARE THEY?

Try to explain this without dropping some bullshot racist propaganda you have been fed.

cole@lemdro.id on 06 Mar 18:26 collapse

i mean, everything else aside… if the DPRK is so great, why do they maintain such a tight grasp on what the citizens can access and share information wise?

it’s generally not positive to restrict people’s access to information. people there are not on the internet

Awoo@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 17:32 collapse

if you can’t admit the obvious problems with the DPRK

The problems you’ve only ever absorbed through the lens of extremely dubious western media reporting whose sources for reporting come from either the CIA or NIS(formerly KCIA but renamed to make it less obvious the south is an occupied state) ?

You say “obvious” the same way the Dothraki say “It is known”. You consider this information obvious because a lot of people say it, you never consider whether a lot of people only say it because they too see a lot of other people saying it. You do not know the facts at all.

cole@lemdro.id on 06 Mar 18:32 collapse

EVERYWHERE has its problems.

And yes, that is the DPRK too.

I want to establish that it’s even worth talking by making sure that y’all could budge on anything. otherwise this is a waste of time.

I’m deeply open to new perspectives, and I love to hear them - they widen my world. But I have some experiences already that generally conflict with the messaging here.

I’ve dated a Korean and been to Korea which has influenced me quite a lot.

Awoo@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 18:45 next collapse

EVERYWHERE has its problems.

And yes, that is the DPRK too.

Sure, I don’t deny that. The issue here is what are they? You don’t know. I’ve actually visited and I could talk about some, but they’d be quite different to what you would talk about I suspect.

I’ve dated a Korean and been to Korea which has influenced me quite a lot.

Koreans in the south typically react with surprise whenever anyone on the left refers to what the US did in Korea as a genocide. Most of them have barely any knowledge of the five “republics” before the existing one, the sixth. Unless your partner was a trade unionist within the ROK I generally wouldn’t trust them to know what they’re talking about, much like I don’t trust the average liberal or magat to know what they’re talking about when it comes to the US, its history of barbarism or how it interacts with the world today. The trade unionists within ROK however do know their shit, I’ve spoken to a few of them and they’re cool comrades (but are legally not allowed to say they are)

Awoo@hexbear.net on 08 Mar 01:34 collapse

Hello @cole@lemdro.id you seem to have conveniently ignored my response?

Does every american have equally valid input on america and its politics?

When the next person says “I know someone from Britain and they said London is a no go zone” should I take them automatically seriously? Should I take their opinion on migrants and small boats seriously or should I maybe do some more serious investigation?

You dated a Korean, so what? Why should anyone take this one person’s take over serious investigation of the matter?

cole@lemdro.id on 08 Mar 01:45 collapse

It’s not an intentional snub, I just answered this question in a different reply.

I don’t know with enough certainty to list out all the issues, but the biggest one that sticks out to me is information control.

The government restricts citizens access to the Internet (among other things). I have talked to people from Russia, people from China, etc online. But I have never talked to someone from North Korea and that is a pretty big red flag for me.

I pretty strongly believe that anybody who tries to control the flow of information amongst supposedly free people is not a “good guy”. Yes, this includes the United States, UK, China, etc. Many do so to some extent and I am against all of them for that.

But, none so draconian seeming as the DPRK.

Awoo@hexbear.net on 08 Mar 02:26 collapse

The government restricts citizens access to the Internet (among other things). I have talked to people from Russia, people from China, etc online. But I have never talked to someone from North Korea and that is a pretty big red flag for me.

And how many people from the DPRK have you actually tried to speak to? There are many in China and many in Russia, some as naturalised citizens, not to mention tens of thousands work officially in Africa.

You seem to accept that information about the DPRK is unreliable, but rather than allow this to create a position of neutrality in yourself you seem to instead default to vibes. The problem with defaulting to vibes is that those are specifically what propaganda is effective at manipulating. The vibes about the DPRK that you have are entirely a construction of western media and comment sections.

When I don’t know about something the first thing I do is take myself to the most neutral position possible - “I don’t know”. That is the starting point from which facts should be fed.

Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 07 Mar 03:10 collapse

Ah the “I have a black friend” argument

cole@lemdro.id on 07 Mar 03:16 collapse

It’s cool to use this to discount my personal direct experience but I don’t think it’s a strong counter.

Dating somebody typically means you get to know them and their cultural background really really well. It’s extremely relevant here whether you like that or want to discount it

Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 07 Mar 15:52 collapse

Your personal direct experience knowing someone that does not live in the place you are trashing. Just stop dude, accept that you and her too are subject to an ocean of propaganda demonizing the DPRK for ideological reasons. Also it’s just a really weird way to go about it considering the other problematic aspects of westerners fetishizing asian women that DEFINITELY does not clear of the racism allegation.

cole@lemdro.id on 07 Mar 18:16 collapse

I’m not ok with being called racist. I’m sorry that you think I should just sit and take that but that’s ridiculous. You have no right.

The burden of proof lies on you for making an extraordinary claim without evidence.

Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 07 Mar 19:50 collapse

I’m not ok with being called racist

Then don’t say racist shit.

Awoo@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 17:30 collapse

Calling anyone “insane” is always ableism.

You are using a mental illness as an insult.

Just like calling anyone gay as an insult is always homophobic.

cole@lemdro.id on 06 Mar 18:34 collapse

that’s fair, actually. I’ll avoid it in the future.

Scrollone@feddit.it on 06 Mar 08:17 collapse

You can’t live paycheck to paycheck when you don’t have a paycheck ;)

carl_marks_1312@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 09:03 next collapse

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Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 09:28 collapse

Bruh I am a communist we don’t want paychecks we want our basic needs met.

You are so deep in the lib capitalist realism you can’t imagine anything outside it.

Oggyb@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 12:00 collapse

Some people in tier 1 cities don’t live like that, but the vast majority do. As an average person, you would not enjoy China more than your western country.

davel@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 03:17 next collapse

They’re going to burn this in all the way from the sub-microprocessor DRM/TPM to the browser, aren’t they?

Misk@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 03:36 next collapse

Yep

toastal@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 05:42 collapse

Google tried a few years back but there was pushback. Google will slowly boil the frog tho.

eleitl@lemmy.zip on 06 Mar 15:48 collapse

You can build browsers from source. And import open hardware from China. RISCV is getting close to usable, these days.

davel@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 15:51 collapse

You can buy them now, because the US hasn’t banned their import yet, but that’s what these laws will lead to.

eleitl@lemmy.zip on 06 Mar 17:00 collapse

When general computing is outlawed, only outlaws will have general computers.

I’ll meet you in the digital underground, netizen.

OrteilGenou@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 03:28 next collapse

Well, my 2G Nokia candy bar phone will come in handy

xvertigox@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 04:15 next collapse
Auli@lemmy.ca on 06 Mar 04:53 collapse

For what?//can’t even make a call on it as 2g is shut off or well be Shirley depending whee you live.

awaysaway@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 05:15 next collapse

Could someone share a non alarmist take here? I have seen posts elsewhere that apple’s “using information we already have to assign you an age-range” is better than other more invasive methods.

I (regrettably) acquiesced when prompted to use this method in order to access health insurance app. Am I cooked? permanent all powerful spyware time?

CandleTiger@programming.dev on 06 Mar 07:17 next collapse

Presumably if there’s a switch to turn it on then there’s also a switch to turn it back off again.

wibble@reddthat.com on 06 Mar 07:53 next collapse

Not necessarily. Write once memory, fuses, etc. can make that a one way Street

smeenz@lemmy.nz on 06 Mar 09:03 collapse

What if you sell your phone?

wibble@reddthat.com on 06 Mar 14:25 collapse

I’m not saying that it’s been thought through for this particular use case… Just saying that you can make one way changes

awaysaway@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 09:22 collapse

yeah that’s a fair thought. it was more of a push notification than a switch.

i had a cursory look around and didn’t find it but i could ask apple support

doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 15:20 next collapse

Extant information is safer than just uploading an id (which is what the laws want). No one needs to know your birthdate or identity if your account is 18 years old. No one needs to know your birthdate or identity if you have a cc on file (you gotta be an adult to have a credit card and therefore to have credit card on file).

This is the best possible solution, where there isn’t a requirement to upload a scan of a government issued id.

atrielienz@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 16:12 collapse

It’s likely that Apple already has age data on you because they collect all kinds of data including payment details from you. If you use any paid apple service (pay for apps on the app store, pay for music, or cloud services, use the air tags etc), it’s likely they already know your age.

The reason to be worried about this isn’t because now apple has this information, but because of the progression of this information being demanded, shared, and hoarded by less secure age verification services.

Anyone hoarding personal identifying information is a target for criminal enterprises that want that information.

Apple can be hacked, but you have to evaluate your threat model and what information you’ve already given them, as well as what information is already out there on the internet about you.

nonentity@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 05:34 next collapse

I wonder if this is why they’ve been so forceful in moving capable devices to iOS 26.

Has anyone checked to see if this exists in iOS 18.7.7 or 18.8 betas?

hornedfiend@piefed.social on 06 Mar 05:42 next collapse

Good, I am waiting on my brand new Fairphone 6.

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Mar 04:55 collapse

It’s awesome. Welcome!

romanticremedy@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 06 Mar 06:13 next collapse

Fuuuuck with apple doing this, I wonder how long we have until this BS enters Android and Linux Kernel.

kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 06:46 next collapse

Well when we have to comply we can make a build flag everyone shut toggle off…

quips@slrpnk.net on 06 Mar 07:24 collapse

I suggest simply never complying. Anyone who does is a traitor. This is FOSS, they have no control over us, ZERO power to enforce compliance.

kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 09:56 collapse

I suggest simply never complying.

While this is the best. it is not feasible. Not many open source projects can just pay millions on fines and not think about it. Idiots making these laws cant enforce it but they will try in the only way they know. Fine and fine and fine untill a project dies.

quips@slrpnk.net on 06 Mar 22:02 next collapse

How would they have to pay any fines if they simply say we are no longer for use in xyz place doing age verification?

Second, how would payment be enforced when there is no organization to fine?

maturelemontree@lemmy.zip on 07 Mar 00:37 next collapse

Forgive my confusion but could they not choose to lock out web traffic without a verification? Lets say your ISP joins and says that you need x bullshit token from the government to us it, then what?

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Mar 04:53 collapse

Something in gut hub can still be “in development.” Nobody has to comply with every regulation before they are finished. Goddamn these vultures. They’ve been nonstop since SOPA and PIPA back in 2010 or whenever.

AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip on 06 Mar 09:33 next collapse

Lmao good fucking luck enforcing this on Linux. There’s no central authority to handle age verification, and even if there was, it’d take less than a week for someone to make a patched version of whatever tool they use that just… Autoreports that you’re an adult no matter what.

eleitl@lemmy.zip on 06 Mar 15:45 collapse

There are many distros. And you can build kernels from source.

ozzy@olio.cafe on 06 Mar 06:51 next collapse

They should just be done with it and implant an id chip at birth Data freely available to our capitalistic gods and politicians

Lysergid@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 09:30 next collapse

Is it regional? Am I safe to update in Europe?

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 14:25 collapse

From what I’ve read online it’s going to be worldwide

mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works on 06 Mar 13:23 next collapse

People in CA and CO: this shit is why people hate your states. Get better politicians ffs.

gnuthing@lemmygrad.ml on 06 Mar 15:04 next collapse

KDE has some themes that mimic different apple desktop versions

doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 15:41 next collapse

It’s under settings > Apple account (the bubble with your name if you’re signed in) > age range for apps.

The first time you click it you’re asked to go ahead or update your birthday in the account first.

Inside you can pick to always, never or ask first before sharing your age range with some app and it says you can see what apps have asked for your age range.

modus@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 16:09 collapse

Can I still pick 1/1/1900 when I update?

sen@lemmy.zip on 06 Mar 16:18 next collapse

Wait, send explicit images? I’m not a child, I get that on these platforms my privacy is pretty well gone, but is it explicitly known (confirmed from the source) that these companies scan your images too?

That feels extra fucked up. Like "hold on a sec bucko let me check this photo you’re trying to send real quick to make sure it’s not titties "

ThermonuclearHoxha@hexbear.net on 06 Mar 18:02 next collapse

but is it explicitly known (confirmed from the source) that these companies scan your images too?

howtogeek.com/how-to-automatically-blur-nsfw-cont…

Yes, doesn’t need to be confirmed in source when Apple makes it a feature

cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 20:38 next collapse

They definitely do. That’s how you can search photos by their content on iOS or android.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 22:48 collapse

where do you think they got the database for their porn generating llms?

1984@lemmy.today on 06 Mar 20:15 next collapse

I bet people will just accept it and not even think twice about it.

thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 20:49 next collapse

username checks out

wer2@lemmy.zip on 06 Mar 22:37 next collapse

I see you too were born on January 1st 1970.

buddascrayon@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 00:39 next collapse

To be clear, these are Apple users. Most of them will take just about any abuse Apple is willing to throw their way.

pineapple@lemmy.ml on 07 Mar 00:55 collapse

Pretty much yeah

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pineapple@lemmy.ml on 07 Mar 00:52 collapse

For sure. Majority of people will happilly take a selfy and send it to whatever company without a second thought.

sudoer777@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 20:53 next collapse

So now California has a governor pretending to be pro-Palestine to do damage control while signing laws that give Zionist corporations more control over your data and hardware

NoFun4You@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 21:21 next collapse

Fuck Trump tho am I rite?

sudoer777@lemmy.ml on 06 Mar 22:03 collapse

Yes but Trump isn’t the one doing the age verification mandates

NoFun4You@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 21:29 collapse

This isnt where I parked my car.

tackleberry@thelemmy.club on 06 Mar 23:30 next collapse

If you ever thought Gavin was anti-Trump, I have news for you 😄

buddascrayon@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 00:38 collapse

Oh he’s anti-Trump alright. But that’s just meaning that he wants to take Trump’s place.

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Mar 04:30 collapse

So what’s actually going on in Cali for them to have such a douchebag governor?

sudoer777@lemmy.ml on 07 Mar 06:25 collapse

Probably strong influence from corporations, billionaires, other wealthy people, and NIMBYs, along with fearmongering from establishment media to distract from actual problems. And Democrats realizing they can’t win on a pro-genocide platform so now they have to at least pretend to give a shit.

thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Mar 21:09 next collapse

“Must be outside of California, Colorado, and Brazil to download this Linux ISO”

“Must be outside of California, Colorado, and Brazil to proceed with installation”

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 22:47 next collapse

oh i’m not in California, I’m in Egypt. I’m waist deep in denial.

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Mar 04:28 collapse

Which do y’all think is worse? [Serious]

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 06:16 collapse

I don’t do serious, sorry

lightnsfw@reddthat.com on 06 Mar 23:20 next collapse

I’m in canada!

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marcie@lemmy.ml on 07 Mar 00:06 collapse

Eventually: must be in Antarctica to use this distro

razen@lemmy.world on 06 Mar 23:39 next collapse

Majority will accept it, they dont care and governments and corpos like this

pineapple@lemmy.ml on 07 Mar 01:07 next collapse

I just hope this doesnt impact macos until the end of the year, then I will be able to move to linux on my laptop.

simonced@lemmy.ml on 07 Mar 05:29 collapse

You know they want to impose age verification on Linux as well right? Linux is still the way to go, but I am so not ok with what they ate trying to do.

pineapple@lemmy.ml on 09 Mar 05:00 collapse

There is no way thats going to happen. There is way too many os’s the govenment can’t control all of them.

kittykillinit@lemy.lol on 07 Mar 01:32 next collapse

I’ve been an apple user my entire adult life

It’s time to grow up.

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 07 Mar 01:48 next collapse

You think this isn’t coming to other devices? Google will presumably add this to Android and apps will follow suit by looking to the OS to verify your age so other forks will probably have to add it. Linux on smartphones is dead in the water so what’s the alternative?

CommieKhinkali@lemmygrad.ml on 07 Mar 06:19 collapse

Id say graphene os or if you dont have a pixel something similar to graphene. I just hate this shit, the west has been projecting about chinas spying tech it seems. Id rather china have all my info than some epstein lover

belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org on 07 Mar 04:54 collapse

You think google wont do this?

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 07 Mar 04:08 next collapse

Can you try to send an explicit image while offline?

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Mar 04:27 next collapse

I love how big corp is already ready. It’s almost as if they somehow knew all along that all the govs with bribable legislators would be making laws they all seemed to arbitrarily adopt at once. Can’t wait for the shill AI slop response to this comment making it seem like a good idea.

williamhalsted69@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 04:43 next collapse

i use fedora asahi remix with kde on M1, so far it’s great except the battery life is not as good as in macos but i don’t care … finally i escaped the shitty glass design among other shitty things apple does… and have been using Grephene for more than a year, It’s honestly the most stable, seamless OS i tried, the kind of OS that just works and doesn’t annoy you. imo even better than ios !

KuroiKaze@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 06:24 next collapse

You elected the government and regulator who caused this. Make sure it doesn’t happen again.

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 07 Mar 11:51 collapse

I sure as hell didn’t vote for them. But regardless of the government these laws always seem to have bipartisan support. I’ve avoided this crap so far with VPNs and fake IDs but something baked into the OS like this I haven’t been able to fool. Yet

osanna@lemmy.vg on 07 Mar 06:43 next collapse

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore

mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 11:01 next collapse

its been 4 months and I am not regret about my switch to GrapheneOS. The only thing that can make this 100% perfect is creating a Google account that does not tie to your phone number.

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 07 Mar 11:56 collapse

So you need a phone number these days? That’s something I’ve read a lot of mixed reports about

mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 12:11 next collapse

yes some Play store apps are country specific so instead of switching my default country, which stupid Google only allows 1 per year btw, I want to create different profiles with different Google accounts. You cannot do that without showing that these accounts belong to whichever phone number you have

hexagonwin@lemmy.today on 07 Mar 17:01 collapse

in some cases where they have good enough info about you already (creating from an android phone that isn’t “fishy” enough, etc), you can create a google acc without associating a phone number, at least it’s not shown on the google account info menu.

CommieKhinkali@lemmygrad.ml on 07 Mar 06:21 next collapse

Cant we fake this by creatong fake id’s? Genuineness interested cause thats what im gonna try when this goes down

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 08 Mar 00:02 collapse

I’m assuming the name, birthday and address on the ID have to line up with your existing apple account info or it won’t accept the card. In theory you could just change your details though

CommieKhinkali@lemmygrad.ml on 08 Mar 07:49 collapse

What if i have an android and what if i use paypal for example or something like crypto from which they cant check my address and such

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 09 Mar 01:05 collapse

Then this post is irrelevant to you. This is about a policy implemented into iOS. The only two options are credit (not debit) cards and drivers’ licenses. If you have neither then you can only use iOS in child safe mode.

StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world on 07 Mar 21:51 next collapse

I know this isn’t the point of the article, but I’m starting to get really pissy about software updates implementing high-level non-security related changes to my fucking fully paid for device!

It doesn’t do anything but I’m starting to refuse to agree to any new user agreements.

It’s pretty much nothing.

I have 3 different AI agents that were forced onto my phone between Google, Samsung, and Microsoft.

freedickpics@lemmy.ml on 08 Mar 00:01 collapse

It’ll be baked into the ToS somewhere but I agree it’s bullshit. Years ago I bought a youtuber downloader app (I know I should’ve just used yt-dl) and they released an update that removed support for half the websites and locked them behind a new higher-priced tier. None of it was mentioned in the changelog, just a prompt that came up after you’d installed the new build. I was able to reinstall the previous version and keep using it but I was still so pissed off

boogiebored@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 03:15 collapse

The dream is over. The internet and technology are over. It was fun while it lasted, and it is time to re-adapt to a reality without dependence on 100% privacy invading surveillance.