Will using non-gmail hurt my chance of getting hired?
from umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml to privacy@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 11:01
https://lemmy.ml/post/26479251

I’m using Proton right now. Someone suggest I should get a Gmail instead for higher chance of success. Is that true? How risky is it for Google sanning those mails in terms of privacy?

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Libb@jlai.lu on 26 Feb 11:05 next collapse

Are you trying to be hired by Google? Then, maybe ;)

More seriously, I don’t know if this matters. Do people really care about the address?

I’ve been using my own domain names for decades, what I’m using behind that name doesn’t show. But I’m also old enough I don’t need to worry about (un)pleasing any potential employer.

Tundra@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 11:16 next collapse

Shouldn’t make a damn difference! Ask this person to explain their thought process

CatsGoMOW@lemmy.world on 26 Feb 11:16 next collapse

If someone legitimately cares what email provider you use and uses that against you in the hiring process, chances are it’s not a place you’d want to work anyway.

Newsteinleo@midwest.social on 26 Feb 12:17 next collapse

This is my exact feeling.

bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Feb 12:55 collapse

What if the email is @aol.com?

Irelephant@lemm.ee on 26 Feb 13:07 next collapse

They likely have too much experience.

isgleas@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 13:08 next collapse

Or a hotmail.com one

umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 21:02 collapse

Hey, I still got one.

rumba@lemmy.zip on 26 Feb 16:59 collapse

Nope 0 fucks given. Or would have to be @ashleymadison or @pornhub or something. and even then it may just net you an interview.

quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Feb 11:17 next collapse

seems like companies who know what proton is, would have no problem with it. some of their people would use it themselves.

companies who never heard of it wouldn’t have any bad impression about it.

if they never heard about it but are wary/scared of everything they never heard of, might not be safe to work there. that’s the kind of place that would test their workers’ loyalty randomly, and not reciprocate any loyalty they receive.

MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 17:09 collapse

and not reciprocate any loyalty they receive.

You get far bigger payment increase if you are not loyal.

quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Feb 20:07 collapse

by moving to a different employer, i guess.

did you mean by betraying coworkers? maybe some people like that idea. I’m strongly against it.

either way, i would avoid such a company.

MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml on 27 Feb 10:44 collapse

Ah, no, bad wording. By switching company after a few years, you get a far larger increase in payment than if you stay. At least in IT.

cRazi_man@lemm.ee on 26 Feb 11:18 next collapse

I would be surprised if this mattered, but I don’t know for sure. The more serious problem would be if your sent emails get caught in their spam filter.

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 11:30 next collapse

Employers most of all want to know that you’re reachable and willing to jump hoops. If you want to be seen and hired by the status quo, then yes you will need to show that you pray to the same Holy Trinity as them:

LinkedIn   GitHub
       \   /
        \ /
       Gmail

You can then feed this professional gmail account your.name@gmail.com into your private Proton.

neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Feb 11:31 next collapse

I’ve hired people and my wife has been in a position to evaluate applicants for a job.

What we have learned is that choosing an applicant is super subjective. Different things impress my wife and I in an applicant. (We work at different places)

Additionally, once I instructed applicants to do something specific in their application, but someone didn’t follow the instructions. Turns out the thing I said not to do when applying was actually much more helpful than I thought.

So even though a few people applied the “right” way, the girl who did it “wrong” got the job.

So when you apply, it’s mostly a matter of checking the right boxes and getting lucky.

Microw@lemm.ee on 26 Feb 11:33 next collapse

That probably depends more on what is before the @. Is your mailadress a gamertag or some random thing you came up with as a teen? “Superbunny69” probably has a lower chance of success than “lastn.firstname”

Newsteinleo@midwest.social on 26 Feb 12:11 next collapse

Maybe I am an odd duck, but when I have been the guy looking at resumes and shit, I made a note not to read peoples email addresses. I don’t care if your email is cumdumpster19 I care if you know how to configure a firewall. But I think most people look for reason to round file a resume and not reasons to say yes to an applicant.

hazl@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Feb 12:21 next collapse

This is exactly my take as well. The means by which you got your CV on my desk is irrelevant to me. In fact, the CV itself is like the pretty picture on a bottle of wine that persuades me to choose it over the other basically identical pinots. And shorts and a t–shirt looks as professional to me as a suit. Actually better because suits give me C suite vibes. I literally only want to have a conversation and see how much you sound like you’ve done this before and know how to not fuck it up.

reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 14:29 collapse

Sorry to bother you but, any recommendations for several year work gap on my resume ?

DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone on 26 Feb 15:31 next collapse

  • “Taking care of a family member” has worked for a few people
  • Having cancer. It’s not just the cancer, the treatment is pretty hard on the body and mind. It’s been five years now and I don’t know if I will ever be able to get back to work.
0liviuhhhhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Feb 15:53 next collapse

YMMV based on the company you’re applying to and how thoroughly theyre going to vet past work history, but I managed to land my current job by just putting “June 2024” as my leaving date instead of “June 2022” and just said the company recently restructured and did layoffs.

Newsteinleo@midwest.social on 26 Feb 18:36 next collapse

What you did with that time is our own business. The only thing that matters is why your current skills are relevent for the job.

eldavi@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 18:38 collapse

experience teaches me that your likeability matters more

hazl@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 27 Feb 01:12 collapse

As others have commented, a gap in your resume shouldn’t even be a part of the conversation since it’s just an absence of anything that would be relevant to the hiring process. Doesn’t mean you won’t be asked though, unfortunately, and I have experience being the candidate with a long gap, so I can tell you how I handled this.

Sitting on the hiring side of the table, my only concern is that you weren’t just twiddling your thumbs. If you had personal matters to take care of, unpaid projects to focus on, family to look after, that is all part of life and none of my business. When explaining my own employment gap, I was frank about how my previous appointment had taken its toll on my mental health, and that I wanted to reconnect with other aspects of my life before taking on another role. I didn’t go into any specifics, but made sure to mention that part of this time was spent studying stuff that’s relevant in my field and exploring emerging technologies.

No matter how long a gap, it’s not something you should acknowledge or attempt to explain in your resume or cover letter, and it’s not something you need to bring up yourself in the interview. My view is that it’s bad etiquette to even ask, and you should try to adopt this mentality yourself so that you project confidence if you have to answer the question. You have nothing to hide or be ashamed of. Your life is more than your CV.

reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml on 27 Feb 01:39 collapse

Thanks to everyone who replied with advice. Appreciate it a lot.

Microw@lemm.ee on 26 Feb 12:41 next collapse

IT sector probably is a lot different in hiring practices than some typical management jobs

RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works on 26 Feb 19:25 collapse

The roles I’ve hired for require formal presentation of work/studies with a certain level of attention to detail, and more internal politics than I care to admit.

So while its never the sole deciding factor in a resume I do put weight on spelling, formatting, and general professionalism. If your email is firekitten22@aol.com, or jon@sirfapsalot.net I’m not immediately binning it, but you are starting from a disadvantage. stephanie@harmlessdomain.com is always gonna be just fine though.

pirat@lemmy.world on 27 Feb 02:08 collapse

I’m changing my name to Stephanie right now, and buying harmlessdomain.com if it’s available! Then I’ll always be fine!

RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works on 27 Feb 06:55 next collapse

You’re hired!

RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works on 27 Feb 06:57 collapse

harmlessdomain.com is available - I expect to see it registered by tomorrow or I’m never trusting a stranger on the internet ever again!

pirat@lemmy.world on 08 Mar 14:35 collapse

I’m a pretty untrustworthy stranger on the internet, it seems. The domain is still available, and I’m somewhat intrigued by it, though not enough to actually grab it. But I did change my name to Stephanie nonetheless…

MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 17:04 collapse

And “firstname.purpose”?

nous@programming.dev on 26 Feb 13:35 next collapse

How risky is it for Google sanning those mails in terms of privacy?

Afraid to tell you but Google already scans thousands emails if you use proton or not. The company you are sending mail to likely uses gmail internally. Does not matter how private your end is if the other end is wide open.

Though I am not convinced that anyone would care if you use a non gmail account for any technical role. Hell add a custom domain to proton and you can hide the fact you are using proton and create a even more professional looking address.

umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 20:55 collapse

I tried, and failed hard. When I bought my domain 10 years ago, I didn’t put efforts in reseaching domain reputation and got a .xyz tld. Now that tld smmes to be abused by spammer and also affecting my mail which go straight into spam folder.

randomwords@midwest.social on 27 Feb 15:37 collapse

If you still care and your domain is still hitting spam filters, have you setup spf, dkim and dmarc for your domain?

umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml on 27 Feb 23:07 collapse

I think I had every thing setup correctly. SPF, DKIM, and DMARC are all green in Proton. Still, mysteriously end up in spam folder when I test with friends.

pdxfed@lemmy.world on 26 Feb 15:49 next collapse

I work in HR. No one cares. <img alt="" src="https://tenor.com/bfCuW.gif">

rumba@lemmy.zip on 26 Feb 16:00 next collapse

When places look at resumes, they’re looking at communication skills, education, experience, and work history. They’re looking for lies and exaggerations. The poor bastards have probably been through 60 resumes a day and they’re just hoping to find a keyword here or there that isn’t like the other 60 resumes.

If they’re unscrupulous they’re also looking at your name and trying to figure out your race/gender.

As long as the email address and content you provide exudes professionalism, and the email works, They don’t care at all.

As far as privacy, forget it. The business you are working with is already certainly using Microsoft or Google, they’re vetting your email address and content through a spam filter. In most cases you are private email has no longer private the second it gets to any company.

umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 20:51 collapse

I thought Google Workspace mailboxes aren’t scanned?

bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Feb 21:15 next collapse

Google Workspaces still have spam filtering in place, it’d be unusable if not. Admins can create rules for additional scanning if needed. You could also check the MX record to see if you’re actually sending to Google first, or a third party scanner who then forwards to Google Workspace.

rumba@lemmy.zip on 26 Feb 22:08 collapse

They do say that. And I can’t say they’d tell us if they started. But for the moment let’s assume they still don’t. I also can’t say that they’d tell us if the government asked them to. But let’s put a pin in that too.

They do not claim not to scan the SMTP and mail transport. We know that they do scan it try to discern spam.

Do you trust them not to sell that juicy email they just scanned from an external email address?

PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 16:18 next collapse

No job/recruiter/interviewer will ever care about what email provider you use.

Xanza@lemm.ee on 26 Feb 17:04 next collapse

It depends.

I judge people harshly for still using yahoo email. You disgusting fucks know who you are. Just look at yourselves. Ugh. /s

eldavi@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 17:13 collapse

i still have the yahoo account i created back in the 90’s and i can’t rid of it because of the nostalgia it inspires, so i mostly use it for spam whenever some random site wants me to sign up.

Isthisreddit@lemmy.world on 26 Feb 18:01 collapse

What do you think they think when they see an AOL email

anon@lemmus.org on 26 Feb 16:24 next collapse

Unfortunately, I have seen some CEO’s that will refuse employees using anything other than major services, like Google, Apple, etc.

I did see one specifically mention he will not interview anyone with a Proton email address because it wasn’t considered “professional”.

It’s certainly ridiculous, but big business is ridiculous.

WarlockoftheWoods@lemy.lol on 26 Feb 16:33 collapse

You Def don’t want to work there then. Problem solved. Ceo is a fuck-face.

bdonvr@thelemmy.club on 26 Feb 16:32 next collapse

I use my own first@last.com (well actually it’s last-net.com because I couldn’t secure any better domain. It’s too common.)

Never had an issue.

sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today on 26 Feb 17:00 next collapse

My boss never cared about my disroot email. He just asked what is was

MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Feb 17:03 next collapse

A lot of companies use Google mail anyways so your emails will be scanned regardless.

grainOfSalt@lemm.ee on 26 Feb 18:04 next collapse

I don’t think it should matter and if it did matter, do you really want to work for such small-minded judgmental people? The people who would care about an uncommon email domain would probably also see it as a “red flag” if you say that you don’t use certain social media sites. Don’t waste your time playing pointless image games.

some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org on 26 Feb 18:27 next collapse

I use public@mydomain. Hasn’t negatively affected me. I created a burner Gmail account for a Google Meet interview and then tossed it aside after. I’ve been hired for two jobs in eight years using the public@ address.

drwho@beehaw.org on 26 Feb 19:39 next collapse

It will not hurt your chances.

_LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org on 26 Feb 19:45 next collapse

I don’t see any reason why it would affect your application(s) in the slightest. A good CV is a good CV. You could have @goatfondler.com for all I care.

NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world on 26 Feb 21:49 collapse

Great! I can finally relax about my @ryongnamsan.edu.kp email.

communism@lemmy.ml on 26 Feb 19:58 next collapse

Protonmail is a widely used and common email provider. There is no reason why an employer would be prejudiced against your application based on you having a Protonmail address. I think a far more common thing employers think about when seeing applicants’ email addresses are things like “haha, they’re still using their email address from when they were 8 of alexdaboss at gmail dot com”, but I highly doubt they care about what domain it’s on unless you’ve got like a pornhub.com address or something.

spider_apocalypse@jlai.lu on 26 Feb 20:32 next collapse

Proton leaked a user’s IP address to law enforcement, you should seek alternatives. source: arstechnica.com/…/privacy-focused-protonmail-prov…

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 Feb 22:53 collapse

They complied with a swiss court order, what’s surprising there?

Alternatives like Tuta would be subject to the jurisdiction of the Germany, and Germany’s laws are not as good as Switzerland, as they are part of the 14 Eyes. You don’t actually believe alternatives like Tuta would defy a court order, right?

(Pro tip: Maybe use a VPN to hide your IP. ProtonVPN is subject to different laws as Protonmail and if the activist have used the VPN, their IP would not have been leaked)

spider_apocalypse@jlai.lu on 27 Feb 07:08 collapse

They should not record the IP in the first place. It looks like you are right about using a VPN on top of their email service according to this.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 Feb 07:30 collapse

Proton can be forced to log IP addresses via a Swiss Court order (at least for its Email service)

eru@mouse.chitanda.moe on 26 Feb 20:57 next collapse

if your domain is like cock.li or smth then maybe, but protonmail.com sounds pretty professional

[deleted] on 26 Feb 21:26 collapse

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shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee on 27 Feb 01:28 collapse

@giveme.work

[deleted] on 27 Feb 01:55 collapse

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MTK@lemmy.world on 26 Feb 22:16 next collapse

It’s all good, especially now that they have proton.me when it was protonmail.com I had some issues saying it over the phone as some people didn’t understand and it is long to spell.

vjprema@fosstodon.org on 26 Feb 22:28 next collapse

@umami_wasbi Getting hired for what exactly?

My gut feeling is it might decrease your chance of getting hired by an average soul destroying big corporate, but increase your chances of being hired by a better company that values autonomy and people who think differently.

This can be applied to many other aspects of how you come across. Better to be genuine and let that exclude you from the bad roles, and improve your chances with fewer but better ones.

signofzeta@lemmygrad.ml on 27 Feb 02:47 next collapse

It shouldn’t matter. When you get hired, they’ll give you a new email address to use.

LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world on 27 Feb 04:04 next collapse

I use first@firstlast.tld I bought my firstlast.tld several years ago. Figure it would look good. I then put a modified resume on my domain but when I started to think about being a security professional that didn’t seem like a good idea. I now have my domain bring up the IP, browser, and few other pieces of info and show it to whoever goes to the site. It is either that or blank page and I think the first is more fun.

Broken@lemmy.ml on 27 Feb 04:40 next collapse

As many have said, it shouldn’t matter.

Personally, I have been known to look at email addresses because I assess everything the resume gives me. No, I don’t really care what provider you choose, but it’s a tiny bit of information.

So if your email name is “BigBootyQT” then I have a glimpse of your personality and how you may or may not fit in the role. That’s a real example BTW. It also might bear light in other ways, say if you’re applying for a job in cybersscurity but you’re using a yahoo email. Yeah, that’s a negative mark.

Will any of this be THE reason I ditch somebody? No. But it weighs with the rest of it. I would not disqualify somebody for a typo for instance, but it is a negative because that should not have occurred (especially of the role requires attention to detail).

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 27 Feb 11:34 next collapse

No, they don’t care unless you been denied once, auto reject, they will reject if you apply again with the same email address. I used different emails for different job resumes, I rotate to new ones, if use one more than a week

HurlingDurling@lemm.ee on 27 Feb 16:22 collapse

No, I actually purchased a domain and mapped it to my proton mail, every time I share my business email, I get compliments towards how professional I am.