EU prepares to give US direct access to police and immigration databases (www.statewatch.org)
from schizoidman@lemmy.zip to privacy@lemmy.ml on 10 Sep 15:25
https://lemmy.zip/post/48340611

cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/48322335

The EU is planning to strike a deal with the US that would let the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies search European databases to identify people posing “a threat to US security,” according to a proposal published by the European Commission at the end of July.

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Johanno@feddit.org on 10 Sep 16:56 next collapse

In theory not sth. bad. But I have a hard time to imagine the current USA government using that data for the supposed reason.

porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml on 10 Sep 19:42 next collapse

In theory, very bad. In practice, also very bad.

PanArab@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 10:08 collapse

Even if you pretend that only the Republicans are bad this is still bad in theory because they win half of the time

Chais@sh.itjust.works on 10 Sep 19:11 next collapse

Don’t cooperate with fascists, ffs!

[deleted] on 10 Sep 20:05 next collapse

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Collatz_problem@hexbear.net on 11 Sep 04:21 next collapse

Europe has been American vassals for a long time already, this wouldn’t be happening otherwise.

porpoise37@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 20:25 collapse

austerity never begets prosperity. all it really does is temporarily paper over the losses of a waning empire. then you run out of labor to extract and shit hits the fan.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 12 Sep 00:06 collapse

and with the amount of places now doing it, it seems shit is tryna hit the fan already.

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 10 Sep 20:20 next collapse

fucking christ why

mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz on 11 Sep 10:29 collapse

because murica so cool we wanna make it happy

Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Sep 21:19 next collapse

Violation of human rights

SitD@lemy.lol on 11 Sep 01:08 next collapse

14 eyes is bullshit and this is also bullshit, yet the populations in Europe stare indifferently like cattle on a farm and do not contest it. it’s especially laughable considering the recent push for “sovereignty” in many states…

Squizzy@lemmy.world on 11 Sep 20:08 collapse

How do you know what people contest or not? Its not like of all the major world powers or trading blocs that we are the ones falling into fascism so lets keep the hyperbole about simple minded easily controlled populations sleepwalking into authoritarianism to a minimum.

mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online on 11 Sep 03:58 next collapse

I have a feeling Rome has its hands all over it.

Pope Leo XIV wants that data too, you know. That’s how he can root out the protestants to kill.

Chais@sh.itjust.works on 11 Sep 06:39 next collapse

Great fnord.

PanArab@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 10:27 collapse

Isn’t Trump a protestant?

mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online on 11 Sep 17:16 collapse

He’s Jewish, member of Chabad-Lubbavich thanks to Kushner, been that way since 2019. He still takes the Mark of the Beast by obeying the Pope regardless (the right hand). My producer was calling this out elsewhere.

DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 06:49 next collapse

Just kick those Danes out of the Parliament. They’re repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot.

hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz on 11 Sep 08:14 next collapse

EU has some weak pathetic leaders, but this is a new low, even for them. Bending the knee to the orange pedo is a very weak move.

PanArab@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 10:05 collapse

Trump is European, specifically German, so it is no surprise

hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz on 11 Sep 18:58 next collapse

Afaik he’s half irish, so that makes him quite american, but it’s irrelevant really.

porpoise37@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 20:21 collapse

I’m not covering for Trump or downplaying his border fascism but the document indicates this is in response to a requirement for the US Waiver Program that was drawn up in 2022… when Biden was president.

Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 08:26 next collapse

Here before Trump calls in SEAL team 6 on a Romanian anti-American vlogger.

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip on 11 Sep 10:33 next collapse

They did declare the US data protection level as equivalent in 2024, so…

VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 10:48 next collapse

Specifics matter. I would be fine with an endpoint that given the passport/id card allows to do a basic check for any severe offenses - as often performed for childcare jobs, too.

Anything beyond that sounds bad.

PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 19:19 collapse

Why? Who cares about “offenses” of a random traveler. Why do you trust an international crime db to be accurate?

VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml on 12 Sep 08:43 collapse

Most care about severe offenses. Trust is not binary. Please make your point or I feel like this is getting nowhere.

PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml on 15 Sep 19:21 collapse

If the offenses are note-worthy, they should be in jail. If not then no-one needs to be aware of them.

porpoise37@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 20:13 next collapse

I am not an expert of EU law, what does a “proposal” actually mean? What is the journey from this document to it actually happening and what recourse do citizens have, if any? And why am I the first fucking person asking this question?

porpoise37@lemmy.ml on 11 Sep 20:17 collapse

In 2022, the United States of America (US) introduced a new requirement for all countries that have been admitted to or aspire to join the U.S. Visa Waiver Program (VWP). This program enables citizens of participating countries to travel to the US visa-free for a maximum of 90 days for the purposes of tourism or business. The new requirement entails the conclusion of an “Enhanced Border Security Partnership” (EBSP) with the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as a condition for admission to, and further participation in, the VWP, as a component of the already existing traveller information exchange requirement.

So the Biden admin got the ball rolling on this? I’m not surprised but I am perpetually disgusted that Democrats have gotten more fashy about the border than the fucking Bush administration was.