Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
on 02 Dec 13:23
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I lowkey expect every modern device to be compromised (unless you’re running custom roms). Whether it’s Pegasus or something else. Only permanent solution is to stop using smartphones altogether.
This doesn’t make sense to me.
Why do they even need it to be that way?
Compartmentalisations was one of the basic points in system design methodology that I thought (because I read it somewhere) smartphones would also be built upon. So why compromise the whole thing to a supply chain attack?
Crazy this is a thing actually being rolled out and it hasn’t hit world headlines.
Europe, USA and other countries are not far behind this initiative once they (governments) see how even more successful it is for collecting and sorting data to control citizens.
Time to go to GrapheneOS folks.
witty_username@feddit.nl
on 02 Dec 13:50
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Just wait until they fine you for noncompliance
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 02 Dec 14:03
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If you have a smartphone, you get to use UPI (United Payments Interface).
If you don’t, you are basically limited to a certain amount of free withdrawal per month, which is set to prevent getting an outcry from BPL (below poverty line) people, which would otherwise be bad for elections.
I was considering pushing for open source UPI apps for Linux devices (and providing my services for development), to reduce India’s reliance on Google and Android but considering recent events, I believe that is not really going to align with the Government’s plans.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 02 Dec 18:06
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Aah you talking India specific, I was talking from a European perspective given the context of the posts I replied to originally.
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Dec 01:25
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They aren’t saying atm.
ulterno@programming.dev
on 02 Dec 17:16
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Nah, they’re mostly just going to endlessly harass you for it and wait for you to bribe them.
They will randomly send dacoits in uniform to beat you up and jail you and make it harder for you to earn a living until they get their birthright bribes.
It absolutely hit world headlines way before you commented… I had seen it multiple times from several sources before this thread was made. From local (I’m Swedish) news, global news (grounded and kagi news), youtube and mastodon (links to MSM articles about it).
Can’t speak for Europe but the USA already has this, only instead of a playstore app it’s a collection of backdoors and hacking tools, and they’re installed without our knowledge or consent by military intelligence institutions.
Yes I watched a few videos about the NSA’s hacker group, TAO, and how they exploited backdoors and zero day exploits like crazy but without our knowledge. Went unknown for some 15 years til Snowden blew the whistle.
You can get a Nokia flip phone on Amazon for under $100. Before all the tariff BS it was more like $60. My daughter has been using one exclusively for about six months.
kn0wmad1c@programming.dev
on 02 Dec 14:40
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Could they install it in a sandbox quarantined away from the rest of the stuff on your phone?
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip
on 02 Dec 20:25
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Probably, but until they see at least 20 pictures of your 5 year old in a bikini, they’ll just beat you.
They too should suffer my endless search history for obscurities.
I want them to download all of my USB storage of virus infected malware. I will sit idly and tap my fingertips against each other while my SMS messages corrupt their society from within.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 02 Dec 17:59
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India saw Britain and said “I’m not going to let my former colonisers out do me.”
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml
on 02 Dec 18:04
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In 2015, my Indian coworker in the US sat on a different table with another team on a company lunch, because my Indian boss wouldn’t talk to him because he comes from a lower caste.
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I use Custom Rom(LineageOS)
I lowkey expect every modern device to be compromised (unless you’re running custom roms). Whether it’s Pegasus or something else. Only permanent solution is to stop using smartphones altogether.
Even if you can’t, minimizing smartphone use, uptime and carrying mitigates some of the risk
If you think every phone has some sort of IME, installing a custom ROM means nothing.
A phone’s baseband (modem) runs its own proprietary firmware with full RAM access.
This doesn’t make sense to me.
Why do they even need it to be that way?
Compartmentalisations was one of the basic points in system design methodology that I thought (because I read it somewhere) smartphones would also be built upon. So why compromise the whole thing to a supply chain attack?
In exchange for giant purchase orders from the government. Qualcomm etc are simply corrupt.
so that they can surveil you
That part, I already understand.
But you needed to have some sort of excuse for such things back when smartphones were new.
I think the compartmentalisation concepts were there from the feature-phone era.
It’s by design.
Just make sure your pagers are not backdoored with Semtex either.
Crazy this is a thing actually being rolled out and it hasn’t hit world headlines.
Europe, USA and other countries are not far behind this initiative once they (governments) see how even more successful it is for collecting and sorting data to control citizens.
Time to go to GrapheneOS folks.
Just wait until they fine you for noncompliance
No phone it is then…
Basically :/
This was my exact thought. I remember the 90s.
We had 10¢ pay phones back then though.
Everyone had landlines too. Ya, very different times.
They seem to have plans for those types too.
Withdrawing cash is going to be taxed.
What does withdrawing cash have to do with owning a phone?
If you have a smartphone, you get to use UPI (United Payments Interface).
If you don’t, you are basically limited to a certain amount of free withdrawal per month, which is set to prevent getting an outcry from BPL (below poverty line) people, which would otherwise be bad for elections.
I was considering pushing for open source UPI apps for Linux devices (and providing my services for development), to reduce India’s reliance on Google and Android but considering recent events, I believe that is not really going to align with the Government’s plans.
Aah you talking India specific, I was talking from a European perspective given the context of the posts I replied to originally.
Don’t they also have some NFC payment stuff there too?
Though that’s probably connected to the debit/credit card and not really a separate interface.
no phones = you cannot create a bank account
Monero it is then
They’ll make you pay taxes.
That’s fine.
Use a tablet with a MiFi router. The hostile network starts there.
In the dwindling amount of phones that will allow you to install GOS on them?
GOS has partnered with an OEM so we may end up with GOS on more phone models.
Which one?
They aren’t saying atm.
Nah, they’re mostly just going to endlessly harass you for it and wait for you to bribe them.
They will randomly send dacoits in uniform to beat you up and jail you and make it harder for you to earn a living until they get their
birthrightbribes.FTFY
I mean, it has been, for a long time, but this is not why. According to the article you can simply uninstall the app.
Bet you are going to have the app installed and scanned for every government service you want to use (including leaving the country).
Maybe but that is yet another problem that GOS won’t solve.
Could I not just set up another profile in GOS with this app installed and switch to that profile when it’s needed?
User profiles is an AOSP feature. It’s not exclusive to GOS.
I’ve read about it in three different places this morning, I don’t live in India. I thi I it’s hit “world headlines”
BBC had an article this morning. I follow them for a different perspective on North American news.
It absolutely hit world headlines way before you commented… I had seen it multiple times from several sources before this thread was made. From local (I’m Swedish) news, global news (grounded and kagi news), youtube and mastodon (links to MSM articles about it).
Can’t speak for Europe but the USA already has this, only instead of a playstore app it’s a collection of backdoors and hacking tools, and they’re installed without our knowledge or consent by military intelligence institutions.
Yes I watched a few videos about the NSA’s hacker group, TAO, and how they exploited backdoors and zero day exploits like crazy but without our knowledge. Went unknown for some 15 years til Snowden blew the whistle.
Scary stuff man.
Just saw and ranted about this. I HATE THIS FUCKING FASCIST GOVERNMENT WITH EVERY FIBER OF BY BEING!!!
at this pace you are going to be sent to a concentration camp soon
How do the corporations feel about this when they have workers in India?
Lol when this inevitably get backdoored/exploited, it’s gonna be glorious
Oh it probably already is just look up the test run they did with their covid app
www.amazon.com/…/B075FL4H89
Sorry how to install it exactly?
Does the iOS one get this sweeping access to everything as well (which would require Apple to specifically give it entitlements)?
Bring back dumb phones!
You can get a Nokia flip phone on Amazon for under $100. Before all the tariff BS it was more like $60. My daughter has been using one exclusively for about six months.
Could they install it in a sandbox quarantined away from the rest of the stuff on your phone?
Probably, but until they see at least 20 pictures of your 5 year old in a bikini, they’ll just beat you.
Cool…how can I get it?
They too should suffer my endless search history for obscurities. I want them to download all of my USB storage of virus infected malware. I will sit idly and tap my fingertips against each other while my SMS messages corrupt their society from within.
India saw Britain and said “I’m not going to let my former colonisers out do me.”
This is just another crowdstrike incident in the making: en.wikipedia.org/…/2024_CrowdStrike-related_IT_ou…
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They cannot get rid of the caste system but can successfully surveil 90% of the population
The caste system ended in 1947. We know the laws there.
The only thing holding their people back is the Reservation system.
the same way racism ended in 1964?
In 2015, my Indian coworker in the US sat on a different table with another team on a company lunch, because my Indian boss wouldn’t talk to him because he comes from a lower caste.
Bruh are you pretending to be a BJP Devotee
Looks like the backlash has made them reassure us that it IS OPTIONAL for now…
They turned down the heat slightly because the frogs noticed the boiling.
The modified (Modi-fied?) offer of it now being optional is ridiculous. Keep protesting the policy my brothers and sisters.