It’s not just March 14th, it’s also our next lunar eclipse (here in the US at least), peak eclipse at about 1:59am…
3.14159
I set alarms in my watch months ago, before ever learning how that date is also going to affect technology and security certificates and shit.
I do hope the weather will be nice early that morning to be able to see the π lunar eclipse at least.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 09:38
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God dammit, and jut as Google starts enforcing manifest 3.
Maybe it’s time to stop doing this internet thing altogether. It had a pretty nice run but right now it’s just a propaganda and compliance tool…
over_clox@lemmy.world
on 27 Feb 09:43
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From my understanding, they’re pushing this shit on March 14th.
π
Also our next lunar eclipse, at least in the USA.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Feb 14:37
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Bring back ham radios.
Ah shit I’m too introverted to use my voice…
Data packets through radio?
Btw: Rattlegram is a Android/iOS app that can convert text to audio, which you can then play over a ham radio. You can use encryption before you paste the ciphertext into Rattlegram. (Encryption over radio is illegal in many jurisdictions tho… 🏴☠️)
I was on the verge of deleting everything online, including my email address, because I’m with you, but at what point does the privacy movement start intruding on enjoyment of daily activity. I’ve accepted that my information will be had in exchange for a good product.
It’s not exactly how I want to operate, but also, life is too short. Ultimately, I’m on the verge of using Mullvad Browser, Mullvad VPN, and probably getting my email hosted out of some small shared hosting platform somewhere.
I think about this type of stuff daily and it’s just exhausting. The Internet has transformed into what we’d hoped it wouldn’t over the past five years.
Yes, but also non existent US privacy policy. There the users are simply raw material for the benefit of large corporations and user rights an incomprehensible communist phrase, to make America great again. The EU at least put limits to these abuses.
I use Vivaldi (EU), it has an inbuild adblocker. In chromium browsers Mv3 means that Mv2 Extensions are eliminated from the Chrome Store in June this Year. Mv3 adblockers are still there, there is uBO light (same as uBO, but without element picker) and Adblock Plus, which is pretty equivalent to uBO. The inbuild ad/trackerblocker (customizable with own filterlists or those from uBO, DDG, AdBlock plus and others) in Vivaldi isn’t affected by Mv3 and pretty effective (>99% in the test). In extensions other than those related to security and privacy, it’s irrelevant for the user if they are Mv2 or Mv3 and mostly redundant in Vivaldi.
If you prefer Gecko browsers, the only one from the EU is the Mullvad Browser (Sweden), which can still use uBO, but also Gecko Browser will not support Mv2 all eternity because the related different cookie management used by most webpages with Google APIs, also apart from the will of the devs to continue developing MV2 for a minority engine, such as Gecko (~ 4% Market Share).
smpl@discuss.tchncs.de
on 27 Feb 11:12
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I fully believe that they didn’t intend for it to sound so… all encompassing, but this update makes me even more confused. What data is “uploaded” to firefox? I just thought Firefox was the browser, not some website. Do they mean the services Mozilla offers?
The privacy notice document lists how each data type is used. It includes in-browser ads on the new tab page, AI chatbots, and “to market our services”.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Feb 10:32
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I’m glad I use a fork, even if it much more unstable. Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.
Also because Blink is the best and most advanced engine. The problem of Chromium is only that it need to gut out the Google APIs before it is a valid base for an browser. Vivaldi does it, also degoogled Chromium and even EDGE (but in change filling it with a ton of M$ tracking APIs). The only alternative (Linux only) is the Konqueror Browser with the Grandfather of Blink, KHTML by KDE (German company).
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Feb 14:54
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The problem of using blink is that then you give more power to google. They are the ones developing it, so they can decide what goes in it… cough jpegxl cough…
Yes, Google can decide what goes in it, but because it’s FOSS, any other can decide what to delete from it. The power of Google isn’t Chromium, but the Chrome Store, it’s services, and all Websites which use Google APIs. Vivaldi has less relations with Google than Mozilla/Firefox, it don’t have third party investors or sponsors, like Mozilla, which depends on Google ads and money and recently also from another advertising company, loosing it’s independence with it.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Feb 21:56
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I wasn’t talking about putting stuff in, I was talking about removing it. You say it’s open source, but google decides what contributions are added to the main repo. Even if you fork it, if it’s not in upstream, it won’t be used.
Jpegxl is a really cool image format that google hates for some reason. Every major company wanted chrome to support it, amazon, facebook, etc. but google said no, and guess what, no one can do anything about it. If you use blink you’re a slave to google.
If you use Gecko too, because Google rules mainly the web standarts, not the engines. Yes, Google put the rules also in the Store, but not the inbuild features in the browser, in Vivaldi most of the extensions from the store are redundant. It has an own customizable ad/tracker blocker, tab, management, screenshot tool, translator hosted by Vivaldi, clock and pomodoro timer, Markdown notes, UI customizations better than any extension or in any other browser… you can use Chrome extensions, but you don’t really need it. Apart permits to install user scripts (eg. from Greasyfork or OpenuserJS) direct as extensions, without the need of an user script manager, if you need functions which are banned from the Chrome Store because Mv3.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 28 Feb 12:42
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The more people who use blink, the greater Google’s control over the standards. Web standards are voted on and controlled by the W3C, a group google is a part of. Google doesn’t have ultimate power over this group, but it does have the largest web browser. It can use this to chose what technology is used by consumers, and having a lot of people using a technology gives it a much better chance of being elevated.
When it comes to extensions, relying on adblocking from your browser completely removes the community aspects of ublock, you are giving all that power to a single entity. And using user scripts instead of well established, and vetted, extensions sounds like a security nightmare.
Agree with this, but sadly there isn’t a way back. Gecko is a marginal engine with only few % in the market. The change to Gecko - Mozilla as Dominant in the market going to have occurred more than 15 years ago, instead of becoming Google’s pet by signing a contract to be financed by Alphabet - Google. There are no corporations or relevant groups using Gecko browsers, Google wins the web, optimized for Chromium. The train has gone for Mozilla since time by own fault, selling their soul and independence. There isn’t not longer a way to go against Google by avoiding Blink, now it’s like trying to combat CocaCola, drinking instead Pepsi. At the end only count, which fits the best your needs.
Yes, the inbuild adblocker, it depends full on the user of Vivaldi, which filters he want to use, not on a third party community.
Well there’s already a browser on the works, verso, and it also attempts to make servo “embeddable”:
We aim to explore embedding solutions for Servo
Hopefully both project reach 1.0 sooner rather than later. Meanwhile there’s Librewolf at least, and there was Mull, but instead currently there’s IronFox and also FrozenFennec on the works as well, all forks of Firefox oriented to privacy.
You can, but the last time I did that the instructions were incomplete, and you still had to auth through Mozilla. That was a few years ago, so things might have changed since then.
wintermute@discuss.tchncs.de
on 27 Feb 15:46
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Why why why don’t they just do like Wikipedia or the Internet Archive does and just come out and ask for donations instead of trying to sneak all this advertising shit into things?
EDIT: Another idea, which I’m sure they’ll never consider, is to host actual @thunderbird.net email addresses which could be paid for. People at this very minute are looking for Proton Mail replacements, and this could be one of them . . .
Vivaldi use default Bookmarks and search engines (Startpage, DDG, Ecosia, Qwant and some others), which pay an revenue if the user optional use these (anonym), apart accept donations and there is also an Merch Store. So it avoid third party investors, ads and tracking and so it stay independent, no needs to share user data with third parties. You can delete all these bookmarks and Search engines if you don’t use these, using others to your like (easy to add with the context menu). All this permits to support the additional services which has the user with his account, own Webmail (5GB), Blog page, Calendar, Feed, mail client, sync ee2e of all browser data, settings, bookmarks, extensions…, apart permit to participate in the Vivaldi instance in Mastodon.
I personally wouldn’t trust them with an email service myself. They have been known to accept sponsorships through Google and as of late seems to be heading more and more in the direction of more tracking services in favor of a monetary profit. I don’t trust their email service would be any different
I wonder how they can expect to get more users like that. Their user are privacy conscious, this is the move to lose them.
I am thinking about using tor browser on android. I don’t see any other alternative.
i dont know on how many of my accounts back then on reddit were banned for pointing out the moz board is just trash. more than 10 i am sure.
again and again people dont want to hear they are wrong. still cant tell people THEY are the problem when using apple or google accounts, but those digital imbeciles tell me about the dangers of deepseek.thankfully in a globalised world natural selection is back on the map and not adapting to modern society puts you in place. so everyone can stick to their wrong beliefs and not vax, have accounts with google or even vote trump…be as dumb as you want…keep telling yourself mozilla is “the good guys”… iphones are secure and manufactured without slave labour.
HurlingDurling@lemm.ee
on 28 Feb 14:55
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Personally, i still belive in not giving Google market dominance but that’s mainly because I want the web to thrive, and competition breeds innovation.
With that said, these ToS are making me leave FF, although I am going to Librefox and Fenec now
Toribor@corndog.social
on 28 Feb 15:12
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It’s frustrating that the last bastion of hope against total Google dominance of the browser market has no sense of direction at all and is constantly tripping over rakes.
I know, I have stopped using Google many years ago, when it forgot his “Don’t Be Evil.” Since then I have used a huge amount of different browsers in Windows and Linux, to stay 9 years ago with Vivaldi, why, apart was the one that offered the most, I was also impressed by the ethics and respect for the user, which is a European cooperative, owned by its employees, actively fighting for a freer and more private Internet, not dominated by large corporations, against the practices of Surveillance Advertising (initiative where organizations of consumers and companies such as DDG and others participated and where Mozilla shine for his absence). But yes, as you say, it’s hard to change believes, even if you prove that they are wrong.
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Yay, π
IYKYK
I don’t know, could you explain please
see this other post: lemmy.ml/post/26518180/16957376
Hint, look at the date this gets pushed, :)
ohh nice!
No, we all got the pi = march 14 part, but WTF does that have to do with anything?
It’s a cosmic cabal! The aliens are coming!
It’s not just March 14th, it’s also our next lunar eclipse (here in the US at least), peak eclipse at about 1:59am…
3.14159
I set alarms in my watch months ago, before ever learning how that date is also going to affect technology and security certificates and shit.
I do hope the weather will be nice early that morning to be able to see the π lunar eclipse at least.
God dammit, and jut as Google starts enforcing manifest 3. Maybe it’s time to stop doing this internet thing altogether. It had a pretty nice run but right now it’s just a propaganda and compliance tool…
From my understanding, they’re pushing this shit on March 14th.
π
Also our next lunar eclipse, at least in the USA.
Bring back ham radios.
Ah shit I’m too introverted to use my voice…
Data packets through radio?
Btw: Rattlegram is a Android/iOS app that can convert text to audio, which you can then play over a ham radio. You can use encryption before you paste the ciphertext into Rattlegram. (Encryption over radio is illegal in many jurisdictions tho… 🏴☠️)
Software Defined Radio?
Unless the police do it.
Because they got a fucking licence
Us plebs don’t have the privilage
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M17_(amateur_radio)
Check out the gemini protocol and the small web, lots of rabbit holes there.
Geminispace is awesome. The (design of the) Gemini protocol ensures that it is immune to many of the issues that plague the web today.
I was on the verge of deleting everything online, including my email address, because I’m with you, but at what point does the privacy movement start intruding on enjoyment of daily activity. I’ve accepted that my information will be had in exchange for a good product.
It’s not exactly how I want to operate, but also, life is too short. Ultimately, I’m on the verge of using Mullvad Browser, Mullvad VPN, and probably getting my email hosted out of some small shared hosting platform somewhere.
I think about this type of stuff daily and it’s just exhausting. The Internet has transformed into what we’d hoped it wouldn’t over the past five years.
US companies are not longer trustworth
european-alternatives.eu
That website actually promotes Firefox, you know. Not sure it fits this thread.
Also from the “European” recommendations, Vivaldi is Chromium, and Mullvad is Tor, which is Firefox.
I’m really glad this exists! Thanks for sharing it!
Capital is the problem, not nationality.
Yes, but also non existent US privacy policy. There the users are simply raw material for the benefit of large corporations and user rights an incomprehensible communist phrase, to make America great again. The EU at least put limits to these abuses.
because US capital decided so. notice that the limits the EU has are slowly being undermined.
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So what’s the next best thing to use, preferably one that supports uBlock?
There is only firefox, chrome, or safari to chose from. I just use a firefox fork.
If you're sticking to Firefox-based browsers, Waterfox seems to be the fork closest to Firefox without being controlled by Mozilla.
I use Vivaldi (EU), it has an inbuild adblocker. In chromium browsers Mv3 means that Mv2 Extensions are eliminated from the Chrome Store in June this Year. Mv3 adblockers are still there, there is uBO light (same as uBO, but without element picker) and Adblock Plus, which is pretty equivalent to uBO. The inbuild ad/trackerblocker (customizable with own filterlists or those from uBO, DDG, AdBlock plus and others) in Vivaldi isn’t affected by Mv3 and pretty effective (>99% in the test). In extensions other than those related to security and privacy, it’s irrelevant for the user if they are Mv2 or Mv3 and mostly redundant in Vivaldi.
If you prefer Gecko browsers, the only one from the EU is the Mullvad Browser (Sweden), which can still use uBO, but also Gecko Browser will not support Mv2 all eternity because the related different cookie management used by most webpages with Google APIs, also apart from the will of the devs to continue developing MV2 for a minority engine, such as Gecko (~ 4% Market Share).
Librewolf it comes with uBlock installed.
I’ll be moving to github.com/schizofox/schizofox on my x86 machines.
Mobile will be a fork of Firefox.
github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird is a project I’m keeping an eye on, will be a while off being a daily driver.
They’ve released an update, and I’m just generally confused: blog.mozilla.org/en/…/firefox-terms-of-use/
I fully believe that they didn’t intend for it to sound so… all encompassing, but this update makes me even more confused. What data is “uploaded” to firefox? I just thought Firefox was the browser, not some website. Do they mean the services Mozilla offers?
Tastes like “I’m sorry you feel that way”
The privacy notice document lists how each data type is used. It includes in-browser ads on the new tab page, AI chatbots, and “to market our services”.
I’m glad I use a fork, even if it much more unstable. Kind of want servo to become stable and someone to make a browser based on that.
Maybe that’s why Mozilla quit contributing to it.
Igalia is currently working hard on making it easy to use Servo as an embeddable browser engine similar to how Chromium can be used.
The problems of doing that with Gecko, the browser engine that powers Firefox, is main reason why there are so few alternative browsers based on it.
Also because Blink is the best and most advanced engine. The problem of Chromium is only that it need to gut out the Google APIs before it is a valid base for an browser. Vivaldi does it, also degoogled Chromium and even EDGE (but in change filling it with a ton of M$ tracking APIs). The only alternative (Linux only) is the Konqueror Browser with the Grandfather of Blink, KHTML by KDE (German company).
The problem of using blink is that then you give more power to google. They are the ones developing it, so they can decide what goes in it… cough jpegxl cough…
Yes, Google can decide what goes in it, but because it’s FOSS, any other can decide what to delete from it. The power of Google isn’t Chromium, but the Chrome Store, it’s services, and all Websites which use Google APIs. Vivaldi has less relations with Google than Mozilla/Firefox, it don’t have third party investors or sponsors, like Mozilla, which depends on Google ads and money and recently also from another advertising company, loosing it’s independence with it.
I wasn’t talking about putting stuff in, I was talking about removing it. You say it’s open source, but google decides what contributions are added to the main repo. Even if you fork it, if it’s not in upstream, it won’t be used.
Jpegxl is a really cool image format that google hates for some reason. Every major company wanted chrome to support it, amazon, facebook, etc. but google said no, and guess what, no one can do anything about it. If you use blink you’re a slave to google.
If you use Gecko too, because Google rules mainly the web standarts, not the engines. Yes, Google put the rules also in the Store, but not the inbuild features in the browser, in Vivaldi most of the extensions from the store are redundant. It has an own customizable ad/tracker blocker, tab, management, screenshot tool, translator hosted by Vivaldi, clock and pomodoro timer, Markdown notes, UI customizations better than any extension or in any other browser… you can use Chrome extensions, but you don’t really need it. Apart permits to install user scripts (eg. from Greasyfork or OpenuserJS) direct as extensions, without the need of an user script manager, if you need functions which are banned from the Chrome Store because Mv3.
The more people who use blink, the greater Google’s control over the standards. Web standards are voted on and controlled by the W3C, a group google is a part of. Google doesn’t have ultimate power over this group, but it does have the largest web browser. It can use this to chose what technology is used by consumers, and having a lot of people using a technology gives it a much better chance of being elevated.
When it comes to extensions, relying on adblocking from your browser completely removes the community aspects of ublock, you are giving all that power to a single entity. And using user scripts instead of well established, and vetted, extensions sounds like a security nightmare.
Agree with this, but sadly there isn’t a way back. Gecko is a marginal engine with only few % in the market. The change to Gecko - Mozilla as Dominant in the market going to have occurred more than 15 years ago, instead of becoming Google’s pet by signing a contract to be financed by Alphabet - Google. There are no corporations or relevant groups using Gecko browsers, Google wins the web, optimized for Chromium. The train has gone for Mozilla since time by own fault, selling their soul and independence. There isn’t not longer a way to go against Google by avoiding Blink, now it’s like trying to combat CocaCola, drinking instead Pepsi. At the end only count, which fits the best your needs.
Yes, the inbuild adblocker, it depends full on the user of Vivaldi, which filters he want to use, not on a third party community.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/69b64000-7185-4589-919c-07f6cef292a5.png">
Gnome web is also decent but not great for power users. It’s based on Webkit.
Well there’s already a browser on the works, verso, and it also attempts to make servo “embeddable”:
Hopefully both project reach 1.0 sooner rather than later. Meanwhile there’s Librewolf at least, and there was Mull, but instead currently there’s IronFox and also FrozenFennec on the works as well, all forks of Firefox oriented to privacy.
This doesn’t make any sense to me either. Why do they need a license for what you type into Firefox if that data never gets shared with Mozilla?
I don’t know a single application that you need to give a license to so they can handle your data locally.
Exactly.
Or why do they have a world wide right for anything entered into Firefox.
And Firefox is no longer my browser. Tada.
do you mean you use a more privacy oriented fork like Librewolf, or instead some chrome/chromium derivative or fork?
This seems like a great time to install LibreWolf.
Yes, but even more important to avoid sync with an Mozilla account, if you need the sync function (maybe Filen?) (Vivaldi has an own sync EE2E)
Firefox sync is E2EE too (or at least can be, mine is)
i think you can have it sync to a self hosted server, also an option.
You can, but the last time I did that the instructions were incomplete, and you still had to auth through Mozilla. That was a few years ago, so things might have changed since then.
AFAIK the sync is end to end encrypted
Yes, Mozilla sync is encrypted, but your account data is sended to Alphabet (Google) and tracked by googleanalytics and google-tagmanager.
I just switched to Bitwarden for passwords
That’s the best free option, and possibly best option overall. I’ve been with them for about five years now and it’s been great.
Is File selfhostable & FOSS ?
Yes github.com/FilenCloudDienste
Which one is the server, I couldn’t tell.
anyone up to date on how servo has been doing?
I’m switching to Librewolf. I don’t want ads in my browser.
What’s the best alternative? This doesn’t sound great…
gitlab.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox
i can suggest ironfox, the fork of mull for android
Why don’t they use the official fdroid repo?
Why why why don’t they just do like Wikipedia or the Internet Archive does and just come out and ask for donations instead of trying to sneak all this advertising shit into things?
EDIT: Another idea, which I’m sure they’ll never consider, is to host actual @thunderbird.net email addresses which could be paid for. People at this very minute are looking for Proton Mail replacements, and this could be one of them . . .
Vivaldi use default Bookmarks and search engines (Startpage, DDG, Ecosia, Qwant and some others), which pay an revenue if the user optional use these (anonym), apart accept donations and there is also an Merch Store. So it avoid third party investors, ads and tracking and so it stay independent, no needs to share user data with third parties. You can delete all these bookmarks and Search engines if you don’t use these, using others to your like (easy to add with the context menu). All this permits to support the additional services which has the user with his account, own Webmail (5GB), Blog page, Calendar, Feed, mail client, sync ee2e of all browser data, settings, bookmarks, extensions…, apart permit to participate in the Vivaldi instance in Mastodon.
I personally wouldn’t trust them with an email service myself. They have been known to accept sponsorships through Google and as of late seems to be heading more and more in the direction of more tracking services in favor of a monetary profit. I don’t trust their email service would be any different
I wonder how they can expect to get more users like that. Their user are privacy conscious, this is the move to lose them. I am thinking about using tor browser on android. I don’t see any other alternative.
Check out Fenec
i dont know on how many of my accounts back then on reddit were banned for pointing out the moz board is just trash. more than 10 i am sure. again and again people dont want to hear they are wrong. still cant tell people THEY are the problem when using apple or google accounts, but those digital imbeciles tell me about the dangers of deepseek.thankfully in a globalised world natural selection is back on the map and not adapting to modern society puts you in place. so everyone can stick to their wrong beliefs and not vax, have accounts with google or even vote trump…be as dumb as you want…keep telling yourself mozilla is “the good guys”… iphones are secure and manufactured without slave labour.
Personally, i still belive in not giving Google market dominance but that’s mainly because I want the web to thrive, and competition breeds innovation.
With that said, these ToS are making me leave FF, although I am going to Librefox and Fenec now
It’s frustrating that the last bastion of hope against total Google dominance of the browser market has no sense of direction at all and is constantly tripping over rakes.
I know, I have stopped using Google many years ago, when it forgot his “Don’t Be Evil.” Since then I have used a huge amount of different browsers in Windows and Linux, to stay 9 years ago with Vivaldi, why, apart was the one that offered the most, I was also impressed by the ethics and respect for the user, which is a European cooperative, owned by its employees, actively fighting for a freer and more private Internet, not dominated by large corporations, against the practices of Surveillance Advertising (initiative where organizations of consumers and companies such as DDG and others participated and where Mozilla shine for his absence). But yes, as you say, it’s hard to change believes, even if you prove that they are wrong.