humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Oct 15:08
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I feel that this should be the biggest issue in US national news. And although I do not consume much main stream news I have only ever seen blogs and small circulation articles on the issue. Like how can any one on either aide of the political divide be ok with shit?
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Oct 22:43
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Because Trump supporters will say, “I don’t do anything wrong so it doesn’t matter, it’ll only catch libruls”
And Trump administration people will say, “Well they won’t use it on me ever and we can use it to inflict maximum suffering on our enemies”
unexpected@forum.guncadindex.com
on 06 Oct 05:41
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Most Democrats will and have said the same thing.
Oddly… Trump admin people know better than that… but I’m not expecting them to actually do anything differently than what you suggest. Probably both are already captured by whatever data has already been found on them.
hereforawhile@lemmy.ml
on 06 Oct 01:31
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There is good traction on the federal lawsuit in Norfolk. Your absolutely right this is a bipartisan issue. It will set huge precident if IJ wins the case. At the very least, LEO needs warrants to use the system. Right now it’s the wild west.
IJ posts updates of the case here. They have already tried to derail the lawsuit multiple times but they have been able to push through all the appeals thus far so it can actual go to a jury trial.
humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Oct 02:48
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Thank you for sharing this
unexpected@forum.guncadindex.com
on 06 Oct 03:54
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several reasons:
they both think they’re in control of it… but mostly because the people funding most of them (same people) are telling them not to… often in the form of police unions and relevant organizations
any party large enough to win anything is going to be mostly co-opted… you gotta vote for individuals… not parties.
Watch the Louis Rossmann thing in the Austin hearing… the mayor of whothefuckever he is actively out-of-ordered anyone mentioning those cameras… except the representatives of the company that makes them, who got to speak, twice, uninterrupted.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 15:28
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The city I work in installed Flock cameras. City Council was clear they were only to be used to flag license plates for active felony warrants, silver alerts, and Amber alerts.
In less than 48 hours they were using them to give out tickets and track people who had turned in Open Records requests regarding the police department.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Oct 16:47
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TheUnicornOfPerfidy@feddit.uk
on 06 Oct 01:53
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HowAbt2day@futurology.today
on 05 Oct 18:53
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I’ve heard of Amber alerts for lost kids but are silver alerts for lost older folk?
BetaBlake@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 19:54
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Yep
bigfondue@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 20:40
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Yea, but they are usually more about someone with dementia finding the car keys and driving off than kidnappings.
HowAbt2day@futurology.today
on 05 Oct 23:42
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That happened to my grandfather more than once. He was in the neighborhood but would lose his bearings, not realizing that we was three blocks from home. A bit nuts.
Yup. In California we even segregate the alerts based on race for some fucking reason. Black people don’t get the same normal alert that every other ethnicity gets, they get an EbOnY aLeRt.
Corridor8031@lemmy.ml
on 05 Oct 22:46
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unexpected@forum.guncadindex.com
on 06 Oct 03:52
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same reason most democrats don’t
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 16:55
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These also have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. I’m convinced that they also connect mac addresses of your devices to determine who is driving. I also suspect that they use facial recognition when possible.
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus
on 05 Oct 19:23
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The facial recognition would be done by whoever they send footage to.
Wouldn’t be shocked about the hardware addresses though.
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 19:28
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The cameras themselves are simply trail cameras with GPS and a cell signal. The images get sent to a server for processing. I’m also sure that they send at least some images to be read by humans manually.
Don’t most modern Phones randomize their Mac Address for every wifi? My Samsung does by default, you need to manually disable it so you don’t get thrown into the captive portal every time you reconnect to a public wifi
Louis Rossmann attempted to address the surveillance systems in his local town, couple of other videos on his channel showing the hurdles and bureaucracy that’s making it harder to address these situations.
Lots of articles listed in here, one of the major groups trying to spread information on these programs.
unexpected@forum.guncadindex.com
on 06 Oct 05:43
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I found this to be the most interesting part:
You might think this sounds like it violates the Fourth Amendment, which protects American citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures without probable cause. Well, so does the American Civil Liberties Union. Norfolk, Virginia Judge Jamilah LeCruise also agrees, and in 2024 she ruled that plate-reader data obtained without a search warrant couldn’t be used against a defendant in a robbery case.
Last time I read about this issue was before this happened. Finally the ball is bouncing back a little. Hope to see more of it.
There’s a few in a town nearby, owned by the city, looking at a roadway. Then there’s three, with no owner information, all looking into a Lowe’s parking lot.
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I feel that this should be the biggest issue in US national news. And although I do not consume much main stream news I have only ever seen blogs and small circulation articles on the issue. Like how can any one on either aide of the political divide be ok with shit?
Because Trump supporters will say, “I don’t do anything wrong so it doesn’t matter, it’ll only catch libruls”
And Trump administration people will say, “Well they won’t use it on me ever and we can use it to inflict maximum suffering on our enemies”
Most Democrats will and have said the same thing.
Oddly… Trump admin people know better than that… but I’m not expecting them to actually do anything differently than what you suggest. Probably both are already captured by whatever data has already been found on them.
There is good traction on the federal lawsuit in Norfolk. Your absolutely right this is a bipartisan issue. It will set huge precident if IJ wins the case. At the very least, LEO needs warrants to use the system. Right now it’s the wild west.
IJ posts updates of the case here. They have already tried to derail the lawsuit multiple times but they have been able to push through all the appeals thus far so it can actual go to a jury trial.
Thank you for sharing this
several reasons:
they both think they’re in control of it… but mostly because the people funding most of them (same people) are telling them not to… often in the form of police unions and relevant organizations
any party large enough to win anything is going to be mostly co-opted… you gotta vote for individuals… not parties.
Watch the Louis Rossmann thing in the Austin hearing… the mayor of whothefuckever he is actively out-of-ordered anyone mentioning those cameras… except the representatives of the company that makes them, who got to speak, twice, uninterrupted.
The city I work in installed Flock cameras. City Council was clear they were only to be used to flag license plates for active felony warrants, silver alerts, and Amber alerts.
In less than 48 hours they were using them to give out tickets and track people who had turned in Open Records requests regarding the police department.
They are a tool for terrorism. ACAB
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I’ve heard of Amber alerts for lost kids but are silver alerts for lost older folk?
Yep
Yea, but they are usually more about someone with dementia finding the car keys and driving off than kidnappings.
That happened to my grandfather more than once. He was in the neighborhood but would lose his bearings, not realizing that we was three blocks from home. A bit nuts.
Yup. In California we even segregate the alerts based on race for some fucking reason. Black people don’t get the same normal alert that every other ethnicity gets, they get an EbOnY aLeRt.
what i duckducked and its true lmao
this is the first time I’ve seen someone use that term
I like it. keep it up
Hmm, needs a bit of workshopping IMO. How about “I duckduckwent” instead?
I’ve duckduckgone
Just duck it…
Wtf? I know there were several that you don’t see very often, but for race? wtf!
Guess it’s our job to go around destroying them then
I am not surprised at all. Fucking fascist bastards.
deflock.me
Damn there are a couple in my tiny rural town, they appear to be high up though.
Anyone have tips or ideas about how to disable or destroy them?
Maybe a paintball gun would be effective? I’d make sure you aren’t in view and wearing proper equipment though.
Ah! I didn’t even think of that, and I own one. Good call.
it said “worldwide” on the website but its actually just the us
so much for the fourth amendment
The Third Party Doctrine obliterated the fourth amendment.
Neat map that compiles how many weekly contributions are made around the US to the deflock map
alprwatch.org/flock/map
man that is fucked up
why are republicans not going crazy over this?
same reason most democrats don’t
These also have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. I’m convinced that they also connect mac addresses of your devices to determine who is driving. I also suspect that they use facial recognition when possible.
The facial recognition would be done by whoever they send footage to.
Wouldn’t be shocked about the hardware addresses though.
The cameras themselves are simply trail cameras with GPS and a cell signal. The images get sent to a server for processing. I’m also sure that they send at least some images to be read by humans manually.
Don’t most modern Phones randomize their Mac Address for every wifi? My Samsung does by default, you need to manually disable it so you don’t get thrown into the captive portal every time you reconnect to a public wifi
I’m so glad this is slowly getting more solid traction. For more viewing and reading pleasures on the topic,
Videos:
Breaking The Creepy AI in Police Cameras - Benn Jordan
Austin City Council is playing games & I’ve had enough. - Louis Rossmann
Liveview’s facial recognition discussed in person with sales director.
Citizens address Austin Mayor on AI Surveillence cameras; AS EXPECTED on September 25th part 1
Everyone Should Ask Their City Council About This… - The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder
EFF Members’ Speakeasy: Police Surveillance and ALPR - The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Articles:
Data Driven: What Is ALPR? - The Electronic Frontier Foundation
I found this to be the most interesting part:
Last time I read about this issue was before this happened. Finally the ball is bouncing back a little. Hope to see more of it.
There’s a few in a town nearby, owned by the city, looking at a roadway. Then there’s three, with no owner information, all looking into a Lowe’s parking lot.