Microsoft Recall takes constant screenshots of everything you do
(www.osnews.com)
from Alphane_Moon@lemmy.ml to privacy@lemmy.ml on 24 May 2024 14:24
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from Alphane_Moon@lemmy.ml to privacy@lemmy.ml on 24 May 2024 14:24
https://lemmy.ml/post/16014851
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Devils advocate/utopia hypothetical-
In a vacuum, where you could be personally guaranteed this data remains on device and you the user had complete control and ownership, I can see how this could be useful.
But I would never allow a third party that sort of access, full stop
Yes. If it was an opt-in feature and we knew beyond all doubt that it was stored locally-only, and for the user only, it could be a useful feature for some folks. Unfortunately, Microsoft has a long history of doing stupid and/or evil shit ‘for’ the user, with the attitude of ‘Clippy knows best’.
On linux you could easily do it, by running a script every n minutes that takes a screenshot and pipes it to an ai and then stores it wherever you want (including a local NAS)
With some extra effort you could tie it into the DE/WM and take a screenshot when a new app is opened or on focus switch or virtual desktop change or whatever and then slow down the periodic ones - so you don’t end up making 3000 screenshots of the same long gaming session. Or just constantly log the currently running processes as well to give the ai additional context.
There are so many cool opportunities with this. I hope somebody makes something cool and useful with it for Linux, that runs completely locally. You could then ask your computer “Hey, what video did I watch about godot a week ago, it had something with tilesets in it and I was coding alongside it”. Or "how many hours have I been working on that project for in the last 2 weeks?’
I highly doubt current AI models are capable of figuring out which bit of work you do is related to which project.
It would not work for certain cases, you’re right, like stuff with many differnelty names documents or doing research in the browser.
But for what I had in mind - I’ve checked and on my setup the projects name is in the apps window decoration, in the cli when I do the commits, in the directory view sidebar, in the OS taskbar etc.
It should be pretty straight forward to figure out from a screenshot, even when the app is not in the foreground.
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We can log active processes and services, windows’ headers and states, their and mouse’s position, integrate it with one’s git versions’ and browser view’s history, history of all file relocations done by select programs or\and by user. If there’s an AI assistant like M$ Autopilot, also log every request and output in a text form, log keys, back up settings and configs. If we talk about screenshots, pure text table is as light as a feather and is easier to work with, so this 3sec delay looks like an overkill, even though they’d find a way to compress it. With enough data, it’s probably easier to take time and reconstruct an approximate screencap than hoard it.
I imagine dragging your position on a timeline across entire months may be a fun novelty. But I don’t see myself having a reason to use it and prefer to lose information over logging so much of it even if it’s secure.
AIs have been capable of doing this for ages already.
It just falls into the set of useful stuff that LLMs trained as chatbots suck at because they had the useless goal of convincing people they are smart.
I mean sure, if you program in folder A for project A and folder B for project B that is easy and doesn’t even require any machine learning but I was thinking of research in the browser or writing documents that are not directly labelled with any project information.
No, AIs have been capable of looking at your code|text|image|whatever and telling the project apart. For ages. It’s not even impressive anymore.
Even humans couldn’t do that. How would AI know that that API documentation for the standard library I am looking at is something I am looking at because I need it for code in a specific project. That information just isn’t there unless you can also read my mind at the time.
HOW WILL IT DO THAT WITHOUT ANY NEURAL PROCESSING UNITS?
I mean sure but if you get hacked (which will eventually happen to someone if this is rolled out) just having the information stored in the first place becomes a risk. So I think it is better to not have it in the first place.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
With this attitude there would be no progress ever.
I guess my question is progress towards what? I mean no one’s gonna stop you its your own computer do what you want.
For me though it just isn’t worth the risk.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
I misunderstood you. I thought you meant in general.
If it were anyone but MS, I would agree.
If there was a Linux distro that added this feature I would be completely unconcerned.
But MS has given us every reason they possibly could not to trust them.
Anyone? What about google or meta?
Neither of them compete with MS.
Next they will be using your web cam to take pictures of you because … reasons. Then they will turn on your mic and record so that if you verbalize thoughts that don’t make it to your computer screen you can recall those too. Where does it end? I don’t want to know.
Before that happens, they will just use all that screenshot data to train their AIs.
You know actually this is great way for Microsoft for surveillance. Not all apps and there data was accessible to Microsoft, like some data were encrypted etc. No that they are taking screenshot they can directly run those screenshots through ML Models. ML Models Maybe on device but the output/metadata they produce might be sent to Microsoft. For example Microsoft might run Image-to-Text on device but all the text from output could be sent to Microsoft. Your data will remain on device but Microsoft will still know
to be honest, it’s my personal opinion they were already doing similar things before
Not wrong, just a useful justification…
I don’t think this is really meant to be a memory function. From this function an incredible dataset of epic proportions will be created of user computer behaviours and how certain software is used. Openai will then get metadata to train ai that will be able to use any software and do anything on a computer and understand and mimic all possible stuff. I don’t think they will literally sell the data, but in some way this will be used to train ai, probably with metadata of it. Honestly I don’t see a big deal. I guess it has to be like that. I think it would be fair to make all ai opensource since it’s trained on everyone, but for sure that’s not going to happen. But I prefer to have it than not.
Expert pornhub AI… Would it jerk itself ?
Perhaps it will already know which kink you want before you even do. 🤣
How do you expect OpenAI will get the data? And given Microsoft inserting ads all over the place, do you not believe they won’t sell data?
Anti Commercial-AI license
Yes, I wasn’t precise. I assumed we all understand it’s about the money.
I suspect you’d have a hard time training anyone to use software based on (say) a screenshot every sixty seconds. May be wrong.
I haven’t seen 60s before. I understood like it depends on the activity.
Apologies, I thought I’d seen 60 seconds but since looking I’ve found a bunch of guesses from “every few” to numbers with nothing that looks like a source in headlines.
Going to the source, I found:
Should have searched first, sorry!
Don’t watch your weird porn collection on Windows, got it.
“But I have to use Office” / “I want to play league”, and people won’t care 🤷
Anti Commercial-AI license
You can use debloated W10 on a separate SSD without internet, for all those Office and game needs. W10 is easy to work with and is safe. That said, I doubt it will be easy to debloat W11, and beyond W11 it might start to become almost impossible with tactics like server side activation and “approved hardware” schemes like Apple does. Time will tell.
I doubt many people will be willing to de-bloat their WIndows install, because there is a lot of overlap between the type of person that would be willing to go through all the hurdles of de-bloating, and the type of person that is already on Linux.
AME Project is excellent for easy debloating and demalwareing of Windows 10. Windows 11 is constantly being worked on as new crap features show their ugly butt heads. I use both AME10 and Debian, so I get the best of both worlds.
Sorry I’m confused how do I get to online play games like LOL if there is no internet?
Play the ones online on Linux. The ones that do not support Linux/Steam are the ones where you will need to choose between privacy vs entertainment.
Ahh gotcha
I was just thinking the other day “I should just run Problem Steps Recorder 24/7 because why the fuck not?”
But thanks to MS’ bad idea implementation department I don’t have to!
Thanks, I hate it. Welcome new linux users.
Nope, it sure doesn’t. You know why? Because I don’t use windows. That’s why. Haven’t used Windows on a daily basis since like 2018 and have no plans on doing so ever again.
Sigma 🗿
there is already a similar paid tool for this, not very popular, not as advanced because it doesn’t use AI: apse.io
So basically the same as half the school administered laptops full of remote spyware. We had one of those bought home, supplied to teaching staff, the spyware was never disclosed and it used to sit on a desk in the bedroom. The rule now is we buy and control our own devices, even if they have to run shit like Windows for compatibility on some. Enterprise versions of Windows will almost certainly ship without crap like Recall as it might conflict with the enterprises third party spyware. Unfortunately there is still intense institutional resistance to moving away from the Microsoft ecosystems in some organizations.
But it’s perfectly safe you guys. It would take a completely run of the mill virus from literally anywhere to get this data remotely. What are the chances?!
this is literally what mobile phones do in North Korea