Foreshadowing of Android lockdown
from xelar@lemmy.ml to degoogle@lemmy.ml on 08 May 10:28
https://lemmy.ml/post/47028451
from xelar@lemmy.ml to degoogle@lemmy.ml on 08 May 10:28
https://lemmy.ml/post/47028451
This notice was visible when I installed an app outside of Play store
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Were you previously able to update apps you didn’t install from google play through google play lol?
I’m pretty sure not.
Was at least the case for the two apps I have installed that are also listed in the playstore. Didn’t stop google from trying (and then failing, as some certificates didn’t match).
Recognizing that beforehand is actually an improved behaviour.
Kinda recent change but yeah you could get updates from google play after installing an apk. It was useless for me, as most my apps that i downloaded from intermet were either modded (stripped from ads, infinite money in games, etc.) or weren’t available in play store anyway(fdroid apps, self published apps)
Yes, sometimes. Some apps are in FOSS shops and in the google play store. And then it is still better to install them from Notgoogle.
For example Nextcloud, some browsers…
If the package id and signature are still the same this used to be the case. But even back then, an F-droid release would usually at least have a different signature, maybe a different package id as well.
a lot of them will straight up refuse to open without the play store at all. dunno if there’s a workaround yet.
Most commercial apps are built with a dependency to the goggle play services.
But that’s not bad. “No updates from google” is what I actually want.
Updates come from the free world’s repositories.
That’s good behaviour? It respects your choice of Store, and only updates the app via the Play Store if you explicitly request it.
Why would an app store show apps it doesn’t manage? /s
Honestly though this is dumb. If the app is installed from Fdroid or another store/repository, that’s where it should be managed.
On my Galaxy S10, the Galaxy Store likes to “steal” apps from the Play Store. I don’t care who updates it though. But I never installed anything from the Galaxy Store, except Good Lock and its modules, but it’s updating Firefox? What even is that?
My iPhone’s App Store straight up ignores sideloaded apps, though I haven’t messed with any since Apple started allowing emulators. I really just wanted Delta and now that is in the App Store. And RetroArch but I really don’t use it (I should but I’m lazy).
Not saying Apple does it better. Like with AI, Apple just doesn’t know any better. Neither platform annoys me enough to push me into the other camp.
There’s a third and fourth camp though. People just don’t care. GrapheneOS and the other degoogled androids, or Linux phones.
And another store managing your elsewhere installed apps does benefit them. Data, pure lovely nice data. For free. From people who pay to do so.
Having one company fuck my privacy sideways is already enough, but companies competing against each other in the very same hardware is way too much for my liking.
What’s a Linux phone? Linux isn’t hardware and it isn’t an OS. It’s a kernel — which Android uses. Android is really just another Linux distribution (as in, distribution of software that makes up an OS that uses the Linux kernel). It just might not be very desirable to the FOSS crowd. GrapheneOS being more privacy concerned, I would say that’s more of the target “Linux phone” than a new distribution, but, Android basically exists because Steve Jobs said he could get OS X running on a phone, so Andy Rubin basically said “bet” and made a Linux distro for phones. In very simplified, layman’s terms.
So, “the year of Linux” was like, 14 years ago when Android really hit its stride in 2012 or thereabouts. Linux heads wanted people using it on the desktop, but the desktop was becoming the family computer; you either had a Mac (lite) or PC (running a commercial Linux with a Java environment for apps) in your pocket and that was your PC, and has been since.
But if you have any phone, it’s doing things you may not like. Android is obvious. Apple says they protect your data, but even if that’s true (or partially), for how long? They’re trying to break into services. Fortunately, the bean counter CEO is out in a few months, to be replaced by a hardware guy/engineer, so maybe that makes things better? Who knows. And then you have people who don’t want either Apple or Google in their phone, they use something basic, but a lot of bank apps and whatnot say you have to be on one of the main platforms. That’s one reason I have both.
I sure wouldn’t mind if my next Android phone was a Pixel running GrapheneOS, but I feel like that would limit my options.
Year of the linux 14yrs ago? Dude, linux is taking off for sure. Thanks to steam though. Of my 20 machines at home, only 2 are windows (server2025) and just vms.
And there are actual linux-phones. With linux on it. They might not be at their peak yet, but if it gets the basics done, I’m fine. The moment my pixel finally dies, I’ll get one. Screw android (well, screw google, android was fine), and screw apple even more. Closed up walled gardens aren’t my thing. I want to OWN a device not rent it and pay 1500 moneyz to be allowed to use it, and then even pay rent with my data.
As for phones doing things i dont like: no. If an appliance does things i don’t like, i don’t use it or sandbox it or firewall it off. I surveilled graphene for a while now and it really does not send more than it says it does. As for installed apps, that’s my responsibility.
Have to have a “clean” fucking unrooted android-phone for banking- and depot-apps though and one for android-auto. Three phones. So shitty it has become. three expensive stupid phones to do what one should be able to do.
And to clarify, these are linux-kernel distros developed for mobile devices. Previous commenter seemed to care that the Android kernel is based on Linux, even though it’s heavily modified. - “Linux phones” would typically use a much more standard, open-source kernel and driver bundle.
yiiikes.
What do you mean? Isn’t this desired behavior? If I install an app from f-droid, its updates also come from f-droid and I don’t want google to touch it or take over the installation.
Not necessarily - I use Aurora store (without Google login) to install apps, and now apps have a method of validating which store installed them. Which is dogshit since it’s the same APK running on my device. Said apps can now block usage if they detect they have not been installed using “approved methods” which is my take on OP’s post.
For apps I install with F-droid or Obtainium, this is usually not an issue since those apps don’t enforce stupid rules.
Edit: I should point out that this is 100% related to Google’s upcoming (hopefully not…) enforcement of “no third party app installations” - this is the exact method they will use to block access to these applications.
It has been already for a while. I have not been able to use the fucking door app in an office building since last year and recently found a moonboard (bouldering) app has the same ridiculous requirement
Yeah it’s fucking stupid. Fuck Google and the fuckknuckle changes they are making to restrict our devices, in the name of “security”. Not a happy camper.
What I meant by this image is the fact all your apps, which you have from Play Store alternatives won’t be able to be updated in the future most probably. I have no idea if ADB will help when Google might require credentials.
I have an open issue to try to get a developer strike going for the keepandroidopen project, but unfortunately it hasn’t gotten any attention from the maintainers.
I make like 4 android apps and would be more than happy to remove them from the play store by the deadline, especially if more devs were involved.
This has been the case since android 6. It just didn’t show you that message and would simply refuse to update non-play store apps.