JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org
on 25 May 2025 17:26
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I’ve used mailfence’s paid entry tier for several years now. Been happy with them.
They are on the “other excellent options” list, but wanted to give them a highlight.
FallenWalnut@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2025 17:45
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There are so many good choices that it is hard to showcase them all - Mailfence often gets recommended
Habahnow@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2025 17:28
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I’m a bit confused why there’s a profit share indicator on the legend when seemingly none profit share.
Otherwise, this is very cool!
FallenWalnut@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2025 17:45
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Sorry, that is a bit confusing. The other guides have companies with that indicator. Should have removed it here though.
chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2025 18:31
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self host is the best solution if you want total control of your emails
piefood@feddit.online
on 25 May 2025 21:20
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Too true. self-hosters represent!
RockLobstore@lemmy.ml
on 25 May 2025 22:41
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How hard is that? And how secure would it actually be? Not criticizing just curious why more people don’t do it.
KRAW@linux.community
on 26 May 2025 01:38
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Every time I’ve looked into it, most advice I’ve gotten was that it’s not a good idea.
SanicHegehog@lemm.ee
on 26 May 2025 08:28
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It sucks ass. The following was my experience when I tried it- you may have better luck.
I was bending over backwards to convince other email providers to accept my outgoing messages
The spam. Good God, the spam.
FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi
on 25 May 2025 18:34
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Been using fastmail for over 10 years and it’s fantastic. Two thing you should be aware though: 1st Australia is part of the five eyes, 2nd they have their servers (last I checked) in new york.
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml
on 26 May 2025 03:21
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I considered switching from Proton to Fastmail, because Proton seems to run slow in Australia. Immediately stopped considering once I realized they delete your account if you don’t pay for 6 months (and by extension, you’ll lose all your connected accounts).
So if you’re homeless, arrested, deported, or in a coma and come out of it you’ll end up losing your entire digital life.
Serinus@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2025 19:46
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This doesn’t say anything about DMARC and DKIM. Ni should probably go figure that out.
Havald@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2025 20:56
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FYI you can’t use thunderbird with the proton free tier, only with premium. Switched recently and that was quite a surprise to me.
termaxima@programming.dev
on 25 May 2025 21:14
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It’s a real shame about Proton. Seems like such a convenient ecosystem, but with the CEO’s idiotic position, and the fact the Swiss government can and has forced them to log your IP, that’s too fishy for me.
Also, none of the ones I checked take Monero, which seems like the only actually untraceable payment method. Cash by mail is pretty good but still too traceable, and other cryptos are just so idiotically easy to trace that you might as well use a bank transfer.
bonus_crab@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2025 21:29
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i mean if you assume he meant it
termaxima@programming.dev
on 25 May 2025 21:33
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Is there really a reason to believe he did not ?
independantiste@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2025 21:52
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yes if you decide to inform yourself on actual information aka his social profiles and what he actually said and not some terminally online user’s paragraph on reddit
bonus_crab@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2025 22:19
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i just think its rational to lie and cheat and kiss ass and bribe to actually defend encryption and digital privacy rather than try and win brownie points from twitter by #resist 'ing online.
i mean lord knows the orange man is easy to trick and bribe. 400m got qatar in the door and then convinced him to abandon israel lol. even less to screw over ukraine.
YPriv0133@lemmy.ml
on 25 May 2025 21:55
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Any email provider could be compelled to log your IP. Email isn’t private at all and shouldn’t be used to do sensitive stuff.
Proton isn’t any better than Tuta in terms of privacy except their location.
IttihadChe@lemmy.ml
on 25 May 2025 22:31
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You should use a VPN anyway if you’re that worried about your Email provider knowing your IP.
termaxima@programming.dev
on 26 May 2025 17:25
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I do ! But to be clear, since Proton can be asked to log your IP, you must use a VPN to even sign up for Proton itself in the first place to prevent them from ever knowing your real IP.
So being fully anonymous on Proton is pretty circuitous.
Buy Monero with real money
Sign up to Mullvad, which truly doesn’t log your IP
Change some of the Monero for bitcoin
Sign up for Proton while using Mullvad, pay with the Bitcoin
I was under the impression that only specifically protonMAIL logs your IP because of specific laws targeting mail providers while ProtonVPN is not required to.
"
We don’t log which websites you visit
We don’t log your traffic or the content of any communications
We don’t log your IP address
We don’t log your session lengths
We don’t log or track any location-based information
"
And that while the same applies by DEFAULT by all of their products
“2.5 IP logging: By default, we do not keep permanent IP logs in relation with your Account.”
They can’t definitively say they don’t log IP as they are legally required to log AFTER a valid court order from the swiss government demanding them to log and release for a specific person/account in accordance with the swiss Criminal Procedure Code article 269 as ProtonMAIL is considered a telecommunications platform
“The public prosecutor may arrange for post and telecommunications to be monitored if:
a. there is a strong suspicion that an offence listed in paragraph 2 has been committed;
b. the seriousness of the offence justifies surveillance; and
c. investigative activities carried out so far have been unsuccessful or the enquiries would otherwise have no prospect of success or be made unreasonably complicated.”
If I’m wrong on this please correct me but this is my understanding and from the quick research I did to provide links and quotes it does still seems to be true to me.
Bolded my personal input text to make it more easily distinguishable
Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml
on 26 May 2025 12:06
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I don’t feel the need to be complete anonymous, like you. But I do know of a group of people, who made an arrangement for 1 person to pay for all services they use online. There’s no real trail to any other than the one person. It works quite well for them, and they pay this person in cash…
es_eskaliert@feddit.org
on 25 May 2025 22:11
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Has anyone heard about disroot.org? Is it a trustable service? Am considering switching there
ramble81@lemm.ee
on 25 May 2025 22:34
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This doesn’t really help. Which ones support custom domains? Have spam filters? Support “+” based addresses? Support DKIM/DMARC?
Not just “do the have an environmental pledge”
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml
on 26 May 2025 03:19
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Do your own research. This is supposed to be a starting point.
Fermiverse@gehirneimer.de
on 26 May 2025 06:03
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mailbox.org does all of what you asked for.
Zweiblum@feddit.org
on 25 May 2025 22:48
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If you want to de-google you should also look into murena.io as it also includes cloud storage and document editing.
Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2025 08:27
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desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 May 2025 07:59
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where does hotmail (Microsoft) and Yahoo fit in?
Anon518@sh.itjust.works
on 27 May 2025 22:36
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Garbage tier IMO. So much worse than Gmail in terms of UI and legit email going to spam or not being delivered at all. So if you’re going to use a free one, just use Gmail.
Igilq@szmer.info
on 26 May 2025 08:03
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There is also „poczta interia” which is email provider. They support third party email clients and it’s free. Their official app has ads and interface is in polish
ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 May 2025 08:08
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A free or very low cost service for hosting my catchall domain address
sonalder@lemmy.ml
on 26 May 2025 08:57
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Switzerland is still not part of the EU. Proton, Informaniak and Kolab should have the Swiss flag and not EU. It’s not the same laws and they are not forced to apply GDPR to their policies.
omega@startrek.website
on 26 May 2025 09:44
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Can’t beat the pricing of purelymail.com. I’ve been using them for a couple years now.
Yeah that’s only if you sign in with google, and don’t just regularly sign up xD
Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml
on 26 May 2025 12:03
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There’s a lot of cheap mail-hotels, and a domain name is not costly either. I pay maybe 10 $ a year for both, and the mail is completely mine. I use Thunderbird as my mail-client on both windows, linux and android. Never had an issue, it just works.
I think that the biggest issue for a lot of people is, that they have to spend a little money on it. They buy shoes for 100 $ without thinking much about it, but private communication they often want for free…
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
on 26 May 2025 12:42
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Is there a european version of this?
Redex68@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2025 12:43
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I just recently switched from gmail to Mailfence with a custom domain, and I’m pretty happy thus far. I looked into it for a while trying to find the best option, and Mailfence turned out the best for me. Tuta was too locked down for me and Mailbox just rubbed me the wrong way. Mailbox has had a known major security issue with custom domains for literally 7 years now and still has yet to addressed it, their webmail is extremely slow and buggy (would switch to German randomly), they don’t encrypt messages at rest (which to be fair isn’t too important, but a lot of other services still do it), and I’ve seen multiple reports of their support being sub-par. I feel like they’re probably still fine, but I just feel more confident in Mailfence.
anas@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2025 13:03
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I feel like I’m the only person here who doesn’t want encryption in email, I just want something that works with any client.
FallenWalnut@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2025 14:23
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There are a lot of privacy-focused alternatives, but not all of them are. Fastmail and Infomatrix are two excellent options that are more focused on convenience
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I’ve used mailfence’s paid entry tier for several years now. Been happy with them.
They are on the “other excellent options” list, but wanted to give them a highlight.
There are so many good choices that it is hard to showcase them all - Mailfence often gets recommended
I’m a bit confused why there’s a profit share indicator on the legend when seemingly none profit share. Otherwise, this is very cool!
Sorry, that is a bit confusing. The other guides have companies with that indicator. Should have removed it here though.
self host is the best solution if you want total control of your emails
Too true. self-hosters represent!
How hard is that? And how secure would it actually be? Not criticizing just curious why more people don’t do it.
Every time I’ve looked into it, most advice I’ve gotten was that it’s not a good idea.
It sucks ass. The following was my experience when I tried it- you may have better luck.
Been using fastmail for over 10 years and it’s fantastic. Two thing you should be aware though: 1st Australia is part of the five eyes, 2nd they have their servers (last I checked) in new york.
I considered switching from Proton to Fastmail, because Proton seems to run slow in Australia. Immediately stopped considering once I realized they delete your account if you don’t pay for 6 months (and by extension, you’ll lose all your connected accounts).
So if you’re homeless, arrested, deported, or in a coma and come out of it you’ll end up losing your entire digital life.
This doesn’t say anything about DMARC and DKIM. Ni should probably go figure that out.
FYI you can’t use thunderbird with the proton free tier, only with premium. Switched recently and that was quite a surprise to me.
It’s a real shame about Proton. Seems like such a convenient ecosystem, but with the CEO’s idiotic position, and the fact the Swiss government can and has forced them to log your IP, that’s too fishy for me.
Also, none of the ones I checked take Monero, which seems like the only actually untraceable payment method. Cash by mail is pretty good but still too traceable, and other cryptos are just so idiotically easy to trace that you might as well use a bank transfer.
i mean if you assume he meant it
Is there really a reason to believe he did not ?
yes if you decide to inform yourself on actual information aka his social profiles and what he actually said and not some terminally online user’s paragraph on reddit
i just think its rational to lie and cheat and kiss ass and bribe to actually defend encryption and digital privacy rather than try and win brownie points from twitter by #resist 'ing online.
i mean lord knows the orange man is easy to trick and bribe. 400m got qatar in the door and then convinced him to abandon israel lol. even less to screw over ukraine.
Any email provider could be compelled to log your IP. Email isn’t private at all and shouldn’t be used to do sensitive stuff.
Proton isn’t any better than Tuta in terms of privacy except their location.
You should use a VPN anyway if you’re that worried about your Email provider knowing your IP.
I do ! But to be clear, since Proton can be asked to log your IP, you must use a VPN to even sign up for Proton itself in the first place to prevent them from ever knowing your real IP.
So being fully anonymous on Proton is pretty circuitous.
I was under the impression that only specifically protonMAIL logs your IP because of specific laws targeting mail providers while ProtonVPN is not required to.
protonvpn.com/support/no-logs-vpn/
" We don’t log which websites you visit We don’t log your traffic or the content of any communications We don’t log your IP address We don’t log your session lengths We don’t log or track any location-based information "
And that while the same applies by DEFAULT by all of their products
proton.me/legal/privacy
“2.5 IP logging: By default, we do not keep permanent IP logs in relation with your Account.”
They can’t definitively say they don’t log IP as they are legally required to log AFTER a valid court order from the swiss government demanding them to log and release for a specific person/account in accordance with the swiss Criminal Procedure Code article 269 as ProtonMAIL is considered a telecommunications platform
swissrights.ch/…/Artikel-269-StPO-2023-EN.php
“The public prosecutor may arrange for post and telecommunications to be monitored if: a. there is a strong suspicion that an offence listed in paragraph 2 has been committed; b. the seriousness of the offence justifies surveillance; and c. investigative activities carried out so far have been unsuccessful or the enquiries would otherwise have no prospect of success or be made unreasonably complicated.”
If I’m wrong on this please correct me but this is my understanding and from the quick research I did to provide links and quotes it does still seems to be true to me.
Bolded my personal input text to make it more easily distinguishable
I don’t feel the need to be complete anonymous, like you. But I do know of a group of people, who made an arrangement for 1 person to pay for all services they use online. There’s no real trail to any other than the one person. It works quite well for them, and they pay this person in cash…
Has anyone heard about disroot.org? Is it a trustable service? Am considering switching there
This doesn’t really help. Which ones support custom domains? Have spam filters? Support “+” based addresses? Support DKIM/DMARC?
Not just “do the have an environmental pledge”
Do your own research. This is supposed to be a starting point.
mailbox.org does all of what you asked for.
If you want to de-google you should also look into murena.io as it also includes cloud storage and document editing.
…and USA-free phones: Fairphone (from Holland) with /e/OS (open source, France) murena.com
where does hotmail (Microsoft) and Yahoo fit in?
Garbage tier IMO. So much worse than Gmail in terms of UI and legit email going to spam or not being delivered at all. So if you’re going to use a free one, just use Gmail.
There is also „poczta interia” which is email provider. They support third party email clients and it’s free. Their official app has ads and interface is in polish
A free or very low cost service for hosting my catchall domain address
Switzerland is still not part of the EU. Proton, Informaniak and Kolab should have the Swiss flag and not EU. It’s not the same laws and they are not forced to apply GDPR to their policies.
Can’t beat the pricing of purelymail.com. I’ve been using them for a couple years now.
Ive never paid for a single email client in my life, so yes you can beat any pricing except for free.
I wish there was a tool that allowed you to see all the shit you have signed up under your google account so it would make it easier to move
Aren’t you able to see this in your Google account settings? I could have sworn I’ve seen a list of all the sites where I used “Sign in with Google”.
Yeah that’s only if you sign in with google, and don’t just regularly sign up xD
There’s a lot of cheap mail-hotels, and a domain name is not costly either. I pay maybe 10 $ a year for both, and the mail is completely mine. I use Thunderbird as my mail-client on both windows, linux and android. Never had an issue, it just works.
I think that the biggest issue for a lot of people is, that they have to spend a little money on it. They buy shoes for 100 $ without thinking much about it, but private communication they often want for free…
Is there a european version of this?
I just recently switched from gmail to Mailfence with a custom domain, and I’m pretty happy thus far. I looked into it for a while trying to find the best option, and Mailfence turned out the best for me. Tuta was too locked down for me and Mailbox just rubbed me the wrong way. Mailbox has had a known major security issue with custom domains for literally 7 years now and still has yet to addressed it, their webmail is extremely slow and buggy (would switch to German randomly), they don’t encrypt messages at rest (which to be fair isn’t too important, but a lot of other services still do it), and I’ve seen multiple reports of their support being sub-par. I feel like they’re probably still fine, but I just feel more confident in Mailfence.
I feel like I’m the only person here who doesn’t want encryption in email, I just want something that works with any client.
There are a lot of privacy-focused alternatives, but not all of them are. Fastmail and Infomatrix are two excellent options that are more focused on convenience
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I don’t know about others, but I only have 2 emails, one with Google Mail and the other with Proton Mail.
I’m neurodiverse and I can’t see this properly due to colours and layout. Can anyone give me a hand?
Fastmail is my favorite. I tried Proton but the android app is awful. Tuta seems decent, if a bit messy. But Fastmail got my money for 2 reasons: