PostmarketOS has a list of officially supported devices. Sadly that list is empty. We can wait but it’s not going to happen by itself. Maybe everyone interested could fund a dev working on getting one device to be officially supported? I don’t know if that would be welcome by the project. My point is, with the current pace, is the goal moving closer or further away?
Probably not time yet.
The interim is an alternate OS such as lineage or graphene. Don’t use google play and you’re fine.
Basically that’s a short term solution to wait out this stupid policy to get fixed, or if they double down it gives Linux phones a bit more time to come to market (I have not used one, but its essentially unanimous they are not ready to be a replacement today).
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Oct 19:58
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All they need to do to start with is make a call and send a text. We can get the bells and whistles later.
Doesn’t look like anything for Ubuntu Touch, PostmarketOS or even LineageOS. If you are looking at another phone each of the operating system’s websites list compatibility and what features are supported.
FuCensorship@lemmy.today
on 04 Oct 06:37
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Are these dumb fucks actually gonna push this?
Can’t wait for full Linux phones and Linux PCs with seamless integration.
Apparently Linux phones are missing a lot of features still?
I would need maps, MFA app, banking apps, and (preferably) a Google wallet type function to make the switch.
ComradePedro@lemmy.ml
on 04 Oct 10:50
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That’s not going to happen
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 04 Oct 12:00
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Any password manager worth its salt will be able to generate 2FA OTP codes. I know KeePassXC can do it on desktopas an example. Banking apps may have to be replaced with banking websites. I actually switched to my bank for this exact reason, because my previous bank would not allow me to use the website for full functionality, which is why they are my previous bank. I’m betting somebody would be willing to port OSMAnd onto Linux mobileif it or something similar is not already available.
Right, so a bitwarden Linux desktop client could be the 2FA solution.
Banking websites: fair point.
OSMand is an option. Perhaps Organic Maps would work too as it already has a desktop Linux client?
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 04 Oct 14:53
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Using the fact that KeePassXC can generate ToTP codes was more an example that any password manager worth at salt should have that ability. It would not surprise me at all if something for KeePass would be made available on Linux Mobile.
Not trying to sound negative in tone, to prefix. Just more factual.
Need is a strong word. Browser can do banking. So can computer, tablet, the bank itself. Check deposit is one thing that an “app” is needed for but happens exceedingly rarely these days. One could also keep an old Android phone around just for that banking app if the usage was important enough. One could also go back to cash, although that has other bulky/theft issues.
Maps also can be done in browser, or open Android map apps like Organic Maps ported.
Digital wallets aren’t really “needed” in the world, there are still non-phone-based techs to replace them. Sure, it’s great having an empty pocket with nothing but a phone, but that is a pure luxury, not a need. Might actually be a good time for more people to stop using “smart” tech to keep non-smart tech in prevalence.
Remember too, all these finance-based “conveniences” are there just so every company along the way can vacuum up all your transactions. Google Wallet gets to see every card/purchase you use/do, for example, even when not using the phone for the purchase.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Oct 12:24
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Jesus fuck. I did not know they could see all those purchases.
makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml
on 04 Oct 11:20
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shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 04 Oct 11:57
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As long as your phone doesn’t have Google Play services, it would not apply. With that said, if app developers decide to capitulate and allow this to occur, then there might be a lot fewer apps you can get to work on lineage OS without Google Play services.
The way I see it, lineage and graphene will either have to fork AOSP and become operating systems in their own right instead of in name only. We will have to switch to Linux phones even though they aren’t quite ready yet and deal with the hassle to get them ready, or have to abandon mobile entirely and go back to laptops and desktops and just declare mobile as a dead platform.
From my understanding of the way the android OS works, alternative OSs can’t really just become there on OSs because the would essentially have to replace the entire Linux kernel that Google currently uses, and no phone manufacturer as far as I know releases the drivers for their peripherals either. The first part I think would in theory be solvable, the latter would take a change in the way the phone ecosystem operates. Realistically for the latter to happen, I think we would essentially have to see certain phone manufacturers pop up who are willing to basically create an open platform with a driver offering and that would have to be the target.
hereforawhile@lemmy.ml
on 04 Oct 23:40
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Does HarmonyOS allow side loading? I just got my Honor Magic V5 but don’t see myself staying on it long term. I wouldn’t update past a certain Android release but I will run the risk of being on an insecure release.
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Guess its actually time to switch to a linux phone. Hope one of them works with my hardware
PostmarketOS has a list of officially supported devices. Sadly that list is empty. We can wait but it’s not going to happen by itself. Maybe everyone interested could fund a dev working on getting one device to be officially supported? I don’t know if that would be welcome by the project. My point is, with the current pace, is the goal moving closer or further away?
Fund a dev, volunteer time, and devs need to drop iOS and Android projects and focus on this.
Probably not time yet. The interim is an alternate OS such as lineage or graphene. Don’t use google play and you’re fine.
Basically that’s a short term solution to wait out this stupid policy to get fixed, or if they double down it gives Linux phones a bit more time to come to market (I have not used one, but its essentially unanimous they are not ready to be a replacement today).
All they need to do to start with is make a call and send a text. We can get the bells and whistles later.
I have a Nokia G42. Are there any operating systems that will run on it other than Android, or will I need to buy another phone?
Doesn’t look like anything for Ubuntu Touch, PostmarketOS or even LineageOS. If you are looking at another phone each of the operating system’s websites list compatibility and what features are supported.
Are these dumb fucks actually gonna push this?
Can’t wait for full Linux phones and Linux PCs with seamless integration.
They will push it if these customers and developers keep allowing this BS
Apparently Linux phones are missing a lot of features still? I would need maps, MFA app, banking apps, and (preferably) a Google wallet type function to make the switch.
That’s not going to happen
Any password manager worth its salt will be able to generate 2FA OTP codes. I know KeePassXC can do it on desktopas an example. Banking apps may have to be replaced with banking websites. I actually switched to my bank for this exact reason, because my previous bank would not allow me to use the website for full functionality, which is why they are my previous bank. I’m betting somebody would be willing to port OSMAnd onto Linux mobileif it or something similar is not already available.
Thank you for your response.
Right, so a bitwarden Linux desktop client could be the 2FA solution.
Banking websites: fair point.
OSMand is an option. Perhaps Organic Maps would work too as it already has a desktop Linux client?
Using the fact that KeePassXC can generate ToTP codes was more an example that any password manager worth at salt should have that ability. It would not surprise me at all if something for KeePass would be made available on Linux Mobile.
Not trying to sound negative in tone, to prefix. Just more factual.
Need is a strong word. Browser can do banking. So can computer, tablet, the bank itself. Check deposit is one thing that an “app” is needed for but happens exceedingly rarely these days. One could also keep an old Android phone around just for that banking app if the usage was important enough. One could also go back to cash, although that has other bulky/theft issues.
Maps also can be done in browser, or open Android map apps like Organic Maps ported.
Digital wallets aren’t really “needed” in the world, there are still non-phone-based techs to replace them. Sure, it’s great having an empty pocket with nothing but a phone, but that is a pure luxury, not a need. Might actually be a good time for more people to stop using “smart” tech to keep non-smart tech in prevalence.
Remember too, all these finance-based “conveniences” are there just so every company along the way can vacuum up all your transactions. Google Wallet gets to see every card/purchase you use/do, for example, even when not using the phone for the purchase.
Jesus fuck. I did not know they could see all those purchases.
That is terrifying
How does this affect LineageOS?
As long as your phone doesn’t have Google Play services, it would not apply. With that said, if app developers decide to capitulate and allow this to occur, then there might be a lot fewer apps you can get to work on lineage OS without Google Play services.
The way I see it, lineage and graphene will either have to fork AOSP and become operating systems in their own right instead of in name only. We will have to switch to Linux phones even though they aren’t quite ready yet and deal with the hassle to get them ready, or have to abandon mobile entirely and go back to laptops and desktops and just declare mobile as a dead platform.
From my understanding of the way the android OS works, alternative OSs can’t really just become there on OSs because the would essentially have to replace the entire Linux kernel that Google currently uses, and no phone manufacturer as far as I know releases the drivers for their peripherals either. The first part I think would in theory be solvable, the latter would take a change in the way the phone ecosystem operates. Realistically for the latter to happen, I think we would essentially have to see certain phone manufacturers pop up who are willing to basically create an open platform with a driver offering and that would have to be the target.
I don’t like this.
Does HarmonyOS allow side loading? I just got my Honor Magic V5 but don’t see myself staying on it long term. I wouldn’t update past a certain Android release but I will run the risk of being on an insecure release.
Edit: Confirmed. HarmonyOS Will Support App Side-Load. Maybe F-Droid can move to OpenHarmony.
Google wants to control everything. So bad operating systems can’t be installed on phones as easy as on computers.