from promitheas@programming.dev to degoogle@lemmy.ml on 01 Jan 18:31
https://programming.dev/post/43320305
Hello everybody! One of the last google software I use is my gmail, mainly since I’ve had it for so long and migrating seems daunting. It’s time however.
I do eventually want to self-host my own email, possibly with something like this: docker-mailserver.github.io/…/latest/
But to do that I’d need to set up and maintain stability on a home lab for a short time first, something I can’t do yet because of my living arrangements, which means self-hosted email may be a few years away.
In the mean time, I looked at www.startmail.com and tuta.com/secure-email (since tuta is very highly recommended on lemmy). Sadly, while tuta sounds great, it has the deal breaker (for me) that I can only use their clients.
That’s why I’m leaning more towards startmail, though of course I’ll take advantage of the 7 day free trial before committing to it.
Meanwhile, is there anything else that you can recommend which is:
- an EU company
- privacy and customer first
- crucially can be used with Thunderbird
- that will save me 59.88 Euro a year
- That allows for the creation of folders in the Inbox (I use this constantly for organisation)
A very big bonus would be if I could somehow import my gmail emails to it, in a sensible manner, like I see startmail offering to do. CalDAV support would also be really nice.
Also, I’m thinking for about a year I keep both gmail and whatever I switch to, while having gmail forward everything to the new one, so that I make sure everything has been migrated over there.
Thanks in advance!
Edit: While looking at reviews for various services, I came across a video offering a startmail discount link, so I can now get it at 29.94 Euro for the first year. This makes it a lot more attractive even if I don’t stick with it for more than a year, but I would still love to hear your suggestions or thoughts :)
Edit: since i found that discount link from the video, i decided to try startmail. Im still on the 7 day trial (just meaning i havent been billed yet), but so far i really like it. Ive already started changing my apps/services/websites emails to aliases i set up (the unlimited aliases of startmail are a godsend in this regard), and the importing tool they have really easily copied my gmail emails/folders over to the startmail account. From there, it was a simple matter of moving the folders from the resultant gmail folder to my actual SM inbox where i wanted them, adding the account to thunderbird, and re-setting up the rules for the SM account in Thunderbird. Id still love to hear all your suggestions in case I do decide SM isnt what i need, but so far it seems like its a winner
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@promitheas
disroot
I considered it, and it looks really good, but the free plan only allows for 1GB storage. I see at the bottom of this page: disroot.org/services/email that they do offer paid storage increases, but I don’t see if thats the monthly, annual, or lifetime charge. Do you know?
@promitheas
Don't know, but regular reserve copies to mbox format, 1gb should be sufficient. The advantage of small space allocation:)
Hmmm, just watched this video: piped.wireway.ch/watch?v=aat1q9VLDjk and if what is mentioned in it is true, its concerning, especially if they store emails on their server in plaintext, and it sometimes takes a long time for emails to arrive.
@promitheas
No sound, but perhaps contact those people for a response to the video?
Why would someone store messages in plain text? Are they sent via SSL/TLS?
The way I understand it from that video and the short time I’ve had to look this up, is that you need to handle the E2EE yourself.
mailbox.org
German company.
Checking them out now :)
@promitheas
A quick web search, interesting mention of both mailbox, disroot servers stores messages un-encrypted.
So it seems that the user must save messages encrypted. Then there is the problem of the average non-nerd user that does not know how to encrypt messages (e.g. they send a quick reply from the moblie phone).
Yeap exactly, I just replied to your other comment with basically this :D
I’d rather have something simple that works for now, and eventually when I am able to self-host my own email, I can look into and spend the effort securing everything.
I do enjoy Tutanota, yeah having to use their app is a bit of a drag. I generally use Tuta for any professional email stuff, and self host my own email.
When I setup my mail server mailcow was fairly popular so that is what I went with, and it has worked great for me.
I might have used mailcow on a vps I had for a short time for a project I was hosting on it. Not sure though, I can’t remember. I’d much rather go with something simple that I don’t need to micromanage, or that I don’t need to worry that I’ve misconfigured hence won’t be receiving mail, so when the time comes I’ll probably be looking for solutions like the docker mailserver I linked to above, or similar.
I’ve been a satisfied customer of Fastmail for several years. Based in Australia. Great features for email aliases, folders, and rules.
Been using Thexyz for a long time but another I also use that has so far been reliable and inexpensive is Cheap email for everyone | Purelymail. Also use it with my own domain. See if they fit your criteria.
EDIT: Oops. forgot about the EU requirement. Maybe nevermind.
Check out www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite . Swiss-based, reasonably priced. There’s no end-to-end encryption, but that’s the only thing missing.