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There are certain messenger apps I would like to continue using
from Brutticus@midwest.social to degoogle@lemmy.ml on 01 Jul 13:22
https://midwest.social/post/49268784

last night, my pixel came! I flashed Graphene and I am now running it smoothly!

I am in the process of downloading apps and I have a question: I am interested in at least using discord on this device. It is absolutely one of my most used apps. On PC, I use legchord. Im a big fan. Is there something similar available for mobile? and I have a similar question for Whatsapp, and FB messenger (although those are less important)?

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bloogoose@lemmy.zip on 01 Jul 13:27 next collapse

Genuine question, why go to the trouble of switching to a privacy focused os then install Meta apps? Do you just not like Google?

Brutticus@midwest.social on 01 Jul 13:34 next collapse

For one, I was getting really irritated about the apps my google device wouldnt let me delete, and also the apps I wanted to side load. That being said, I definitely don’t like meta. I have an app on my PC called caprine. I wouldn’t download first party meta apps, but these are the apps my friends use to talk, so if there is a workaround, I was just asking about that

bloogoose@lemmy.zip on 01 Jul 13:36 next collapse

Fair enough. Good luck with the switch!

ropatrick@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 14:06 next collapse

FYI you can use a combination of Shizuku and Canta to get rid of pretty much any Google app on an Android phone. Useful tip I got here recently.

Pay it forward.

hneerqe@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 22:59 collapse

How do they work? Those tools actually delete system apps?

ropatrick@lemmy.world on 02 Jul 10:10 collapse

To be honest I’m not sure they work under the hood but they use debug mode and some other stuff to do what they do. Yes they can remove system apps, pretty much anything. They have a traffic light system to warn you about whether its safe to remove some things. Green is good, orange is a bit risky, red is riskier again. The risk usually relates to the impact on other apps or functions working.

Twas pretty easy to set up.

Edit: Screenshot addition. Not quite traffic light system but you get me. Unless they have illuminous pink traffic lights somewhere!

KangarooOnLSD@lemmy.ml on 05 Jul 23:39 collapse

Yes. Same.

superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Jul 23:23 next collapse

Not OP but I think Facebook also trapped a lot of users with marketplace. I don’t use it but my wife does. Where we live you ain’t selling anything if it not on Marketplace. Unfortunately it’s a useful service. I’ve got 3 kids so our house is a revolving door of Marketplace.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 02 Jul 07:38 collapse

even government agencies work through whatsapp in my country. there’s no escape from them if you want to exist in society with the way things are right now.

bloogoose@lemmy.zip on 02 Jul 13:25 collapse

I get that, but change will never come with compromise.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 02 Jul 22:15 collapse

change will not be coming from social isolation either

bloogoose@lemmy.zip on 03 Jul 00:15 collapse

No one is suggesting social isolation.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 03 Jul 08:01 collapse

quitting some of these apps in some parts of the world will leave you incommunicable, which doesn’t solve the problem.

bloogoose@lemmy.zip on 03 Jul 10:57 collapse

Yeah you’re right. Let’s just keep using all these apps and building our technological lives on top of these awful corp’s infrastructures and platforms. I mean we have to, right? We can’t inconvenience ourselves in the short term to find alternative solutions, can we?

It’s so frustrating watching the world fall apart when we’ve tried nothing and are all our of ideas.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 03 Jul 19:57 collapse

complete isolation and complete submission aren’t the only two options.

bloogoose@lemmy.zip on 03 Jul 20:15 collapse

Oh right… The moderate approach. Yeah that works really well…

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 03 Jul 20:36 collapse

what works then?

bloogoose@lemmy.zip on 03 Jul 20:40 collapse

Collective action, but that takes people and people, again, don’t like giving up their conveniences.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 04 Jul 07:06 collapse

i wouldn’t be giving up any convenience at all if people i talk to were elsewhere.

some of them i can bring over, i’d still need whatsapp for everyone else.

bloogoose@lemmy.zip on 04 Jul 16:06 collapse

That’s convenience…

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 04 Jul 19:07 collapse

that’s basic social interaction for being a functional member of society.

i can’t get everyone i ever meet to switch to my app. i need to talk to new people, i need a job and i need to interact with the state.

bloogoose@lemmy.zip on 04 Jul 19:11 collapse

Does being purposefully obstinate usually work for you, or are you unaware of your obstinace?

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 04 Jul 19:58 collapse

am i the one being obstinate here?

social isolation won’t fix the problem. it’s actually bound to make it worse.

linuxjj@mastodon.social on 04 Jul 20:35 collapse

@umbrella @bloogoose yes, you are the one being obstinate. I live in INE of those countries you mention where saying "Signal" and "Iron potatoes" sound the same to most of the population, and every business and public institution is basically unreachable unless you're using WhatsApp. I stopped using WhatsApp, those who respect my choice of privacy installed signal, the rest either call me or disappeared from my life. There is no excuse to keep using those platforms, it's that simple.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 04 Jul 22:04 collapse

don’t you work a job? you meet new people by asking them to install an app?

isolation won’t fix the problem. it isn’t fixing the problem, it’s getting worse.

you are absolutely correct for being frustrated about it, but that alone won’t change it.

Mikina@programming.dev on 01 Jul 13:59 next collapse

I run my own Matrix server and just bridge Whatsapp, Messenger, Discord and Telegram to it. Element (a matrix client I’m using) Works without google services.

The only catch is I have to have a second Play-services enabled profile on the phone, and sign in to whatsapp there every two weeks, so it keeps my Matrix session fresh.

pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works on 01 Jul 14:06 next collapse

Any chance you have instructions somewhere on running these bridges? I’d love to do that.

scott@lem.free.as on 01 Jul 16:07 next collapse

Each one is slightly different, obvs.

matrix.org/ecosystem/bridges/

Mikina@programming.dev on 01 Jul 18:07 collapse

Sure!

I highly recommend using the matrix-ansible-docker-deploy. It has a pretty good documentation that should not give you much trouble, if you have at least very basic self-hosting experience (i.e can get a domain, a server, and set up SSH and firewall ports), and configuring it to do what you want is usually just adding a single config line into vars.yml when setting it up.

Once you get to the configuration step in the quickstart, where you change a few rows, also take a look at the more in-depth configuration documentation, and scroll down to the chapter about configuring bridges/bridging other networks.

For example, setting up a messanger bridge is literally just adding matrix_mautrix_meta_messenger_enabled: true into your vars.yml when you are setting it up.

someonesmall@lemmy.ml on 02 Jul 07:05 collapse

I did the same 4 years ago and it kinda worked, but often Telegram messages were not delivered (never saw them). Compatibility also broke for some messeger a few weeks later. It was not worth the time invest.

Marty_TF@lemmy.zip on 01 Jul 14:06 next collapse

github.com/Aliucord/Aliucord

thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml on 01 Jul 14:21 next collapse

The way I run it is Google Play lives in the Private Space, which is well worth setting up. That way you don’t have “secure but not anonymous” pings going back to Google all day

It’s nice because then I don’t just have war footage living in my main gallery too lol

45o3b@lemmy.ml on 01 Jul 15:23 collapse

Same. This is the way.

Owner profile only for installing and updating apps
Primary/daily profile for pure FOSS apps
Private space within the primary profile for Google services and any apps that require it

sudoer777@lemmy.ml on 02 Jul 07:55 collapse

For Discord, the newest one AFAIK is Revenge which is also in the middle of a rewrite, there’s Aliucord also which is mature but on an old version of Discord. On desktop there’s also EquiBop. Some people are suggesting Matrix bridges as well which I should try. Be careful with WhatsApp since I’ve heard they’re very ban-happy.