Am I the only one who's sick of the isekai?
from lorty@lemmy.ml to anime@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 2024 14:09
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Yeah it was fun in the beginning, after all who never thought about being transported to another world where you ate a big hero with swords and magic?

But what the hell, I’m pretty sure there’s more isekai now than other genres/settings. It’s gotten to a point that if I see the tag I just move on.

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Dagamant@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 14:14 next collapse

I still like the idea but I’m tired of the power fantasy aspect. “Oh no! I’ve been killed/summoned/found a portal and now I’m in a fantasy world! At least I’m incredibly overpowered and/or my modern knowledge gives me god like status!”

The ones where the character still struggles to get by tend to be good still because they have to have some kind of story involved other than “average person conquers another world by being OP”

Edit: also characters whose only connection to their old life is a token scene in the first episode/issue where it shoes them get isakai’d and it’s never a bearing on the story again. It’s just shoehorned into a bad story because isekai is popular.

Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Apr 2024 15:17 next collapse

This is why I liked the first part of Arifureta, dude got the shit beat out of him going through the first dungeon. Now the MC is just overpowered AF outside of a handful of fights.

CluckN@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 15:20 next collapse

Reminds me of Shield Hero. Started off with an interesting concept of a hero with a tarnished reputation having to navigate an unknown world. Immediately turns into a Harem.

Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Apr 2024 16:53 collapse

Absolutely. First few episodes, especially the first one, were actually really fun but I dropped it somewhere at the beginning of season 2 because it was just boring. It kinda felt like it just kept getting worse episode by episode.

Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Apr 2024 20:23 collapse

Season 3 is an improvement but still not great. It didn’t really do anything other than set up the plot for the next season

Oka@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 2024 15:33 next collapse
  • Reincarnated: Living Life in Another World
  • Reincarnated as a Slime
  • Re:Zero (IIRC)

Yeah, I agree the genre has come down to a basic recipe.

There are some exceptions:

  • Sword Art Online, technically an issekai, but only because they are trapped in the other world.
  • The Devil is a Part-Timer, reverse issekai where something foreign and god-like comes to the real world and becomes mortal
ramble81@lemm.ee on 23 Apr 2024 04:11 collapse

I think the biggest reason I like Reincarnated as a Slime is he’s using his powers for everyone at a nation level. Any others with god-tier powers just feels like it’s only to benefit them or a small haram.

ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world on 31 May 2024 18:39 collapse

Overlord does that too, except the MC is remorseless and all his followers are evil. it’s not the best anime out there but it’s closest to my heart

earlgrey0@sh.itjust.works on 22 Apr 2024 16:54 collapse

Part of the reason why I was soooo disappointed that So I’m a Spider, So What? Got such a poor adaptation. She starts out very low level and has to grind, so all of the power she gets feels earned.

Minor spoiler

The whole class gets reincarnated into other roles and there is tension between those who adapted to their new roles and society and those that don’t. I really enjoyed their interactions because it’s a constant plot point and their past lives drive a lot of their choices.

ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world on 03 May 2024 05:39 collapse

dude I fucking love spider, read the light novels and everything, but man I fucking hate how it ended. ruined it for me

earlgrey0@sh.itjust.works on 03 May 2024 16:35 collapse

I really hated the ending too. I have just blocked out that memory and pretend it’s unfinished.

assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 14:15 next collapse

No

0x01@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 2024 14:50 next collapse

I’m more sick of the harem trope than the isekai trope, between that and fan service beach days I don’t even feel like trying new shows sometimes

AOCapitulator@hexbear.net on 22 Apr 2024 15:11 next collapse

I stopped watching isekai BECAUSE it always ended up being creepy harem stuff with underage characters, I feel like the two are permanently fused

frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml on 23 Apr 2024 15:02 collapse

Why are all isekai protagonists white-adjacent guys who end up defending straight-up slavery and have sus relations with minors

AOCapitulator@hexbear.net on 23 Apr 2024 19:57 collapse

I know what you mean, it’s weird to me too that often the protags are white or European coded, the whole thing is a weird mess and full of ick

Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Apr 2024 16:54 collapse

You can also literally tell from the cover what kind of show it’s going to be 😭

AOCapitulator@hexbear.net on 22 Apr 2024 15:07 next collapse

Been sick of them for close to a decade now

DharkStare@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 15:23 next collapse

My main critique of the genre is how lazy it’s done. There’s nothing wrong with having the MC reincarnated, transported, or made overpowered. One Punch Man has a massively overpowered MC but it’s still really good. The problem is that they’re all low effort cookie cutter stories that are just checking items off a list.

They’re also fairly unrealistic. “Gasp…is this that isekai thing I’ve been reading about? I guess I’ll go join the Adventurer Guild and get a super dangerous job killing monsters despite the fact that I’ve never been in a dangerous situation before.”

There’s no way all these random people will just calmly accept finding themselves in another world with no freaking out or depression setting in first.

lorty@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 2024 17:55 next collapse

Yes, there’s a lot of very good stories that have that basic setup, I’m just tired of how lazy and unimaginative most of it is.

Icalasari@fedia.io on 22 Apr 2024 17:11 collapse

I've actually been writing a story with a more realistic idea on this

Dude has the stamina to do all that walking? His mother made him do a sport and track is the only thing he could tolerate. Still ends up exhausted when he has to carry the stuff a normal adventurer has to deal with

When he first arrives, he is flipping between trying to find the cool side of it and freaking out because, "Oh fuck uh I actually was ripped from my home"

Lots of action happens within the first few days? Has a mental breakdown when his brain finally catches up and he can no longer distance himself by comparing it to isekai tropes

"My modern knowledge makes things easier"? "...We uh, have magic that does that, why the hell would being able to harness electricity to make light matter? Besides, another country figured that out ages ago thanks to magic, just many of us prefer to use magic for it because cultural momentum"

DharkStare@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 21:35 collapse

When I think about what I would do if I suddenly found myself transported to another world, the last thing I would be doing is looking for a job as a mercenary. As stupid as a lot of the plot is, I really like Striving for a Luxury Liner simply because the MC recognizes that he’s not cut out to be an adventurer and becomes a merchant instead.

The only isekai I’ve read that properly utilized the isekai genre was Release that Witch since the MC’s “cheat” is his knowledge of mechanical engineering. He kicks off his own little industrial revolution to defend his territory.

blargerer@kbin.social on 22 Apr 2024 15:41 next collapse

Portal fantasy in general is fine( think like inuyasha or digimon as old version of isekai). The issue is the isekai that are just mindlessly cloning each other with some new way to be OP.

BakedBeanEnjoyer@hexbear.net on 22 Apr 2024 15:52 next collapse

Isekai is more of a setup than an actual genre.

If they weren’t isekai, they’d just be shitty fantasy. Isekai allows writers to skip a bunch of steps and start with a fully-formed character the audience can relate to.

wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Apr 2024 16:03 next collapse

Disclaimer: Coming here from all, so I might not be the audience you’re looking for.

I don’t tend to just browse for new releases that might be neat, but I’ve noticed this from the outside as well. Just through the stuff I run into under reccomendations on streaming services and sites. There’s a ton of anime coming out that’s either isekai, harem, power fantasy, or a combination of those themes.

I think there’s potential for some really good shows within those areas, but like most media, I feel that you’re more likely to find quality by stepping back a bit and waiting to see what holds up over time.

Big_Bob@hexbear.net on 22 Apr 2024 16:32 next collapse

Konosuba is the only decent isekai show, and it would be an even better show if they dropped the in-world video game mechanics.

AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social on 22 Apr 2024 17:40 next collapse

I really like the genre, I am mostly sad it's mainly very short ones with a single season. Would love something longer again like SAO. But I also don't watch a lot to begin with

DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Apr 2024 18:12 next collapse

Nope. I’m over it.

The market is oversaturated and it’s time to pivot to a new genre

I made this joke in another thread, but it’s relevant here too. Anime lately in a nutshell is basically:

“Problems of a Paladin: I became the strongest hero and broke the villainess heart for the 7th time with a cheat code to chill out and be the best protector in another world! Why am I a loser in this time loop???”

lorty@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 2024 18:20 next collapse

Perfect title, just need a poster with the generic protagonist surrounded by his harem

DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Apr 2024 18:26 collapse

Oh believe I’m ahead of you. For the lulz,I tried to use an AI generator to see and it couldn’t produce it. Only was American animation art style

BotCheese@beehaw.org on 23 Apr 2024 01:32 collapse

“Problems of a Paladin: I became the strongest hero and broke the villainess heart for the 7th time with a cheat code to chill out and be the best protector in another world! Why am I a loser in this time loop???”

IIRC, the reason titles are like that now, is that japanese people stopped reading light novel descriptions, so this is how the publishers made up for it.

PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 2024 18:26 next collapse

Probably not, but after something like 2 decade of zombie shit everywhere i will take ANYTHING over it. Also there are good isekai, bad isekai and chinese isekai where the only thing coming of it is the protagonist using modern Earth idioms and perfectly assimilating otherwise.

Bizarroland@kbin.social on 22 Apr 2024 20:18 next collapse

I'm willing to compromise with the isekai setup.

You're in a new world. There's magic and sword play and monsters to fight. You get some skills and abilities that give you a decent chance to survive. I'm perfectly fine with that setup.

But what I want once you have been given that setup is an interesting world to explore.

Interesting characters to meet.

Actual challenges and hardships that have to be overcome by the main character.

Real relationships with people that have their own goals in life.

And character growth that happens organically given the constraints of the system.

We have far too many Mary Sue protagonists who never failed anything and never do anything wrong and who have so much power and are just so kind and giving in every single way and everybody loves them and nobody could beat them even if they didn't love them.

We have far too many villains whose entire character Arc is "hurr durr look at me I'm a villain".

And for some reason when those villains get converted into sidekicks they always become comical parodies of their former selves.

And finally, even in a harem situation, the main character should neither be asexual or a man whore. Let him have some feelings about the person he's with and not automatically fall into some unspoken love scenario with the women around him.

If you're going to have romance at all in your isekai anime, let the guy actually have some preferences and pick one person and stick with them.

Like I get it you've got to give people a taste of the familiar but the taste of the familiar is only to lure us in. Once we are in, you need to give us something new and strange and stressful and worrisome and make us doubt the outcome of the next series of events that are going to happen.

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lorty@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 2024 21:09 collapse

Maybe we are, but someone has to be watching this trash right? Like why do they enjoy having so much of it?

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Mango@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 21:59 next collapse

Harry Potter is isekai. The Wings of Merlin by TA Baron is an isekai. Percy Jackson is an isekai.

The problem isn’t the genre. The problem is that the metric became a target for cheapasses with no imagination who want that trend money.

This is the same shit that happens in every form of media when production becomes more accessible. Idiots pick up the fire and run with it.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 22:12 next collapse

Hard disagree on Harry Potter as Isekai.

You have made a statement that says to me the same thing as squares are rectangles so rectangles are squares

More explanation needed if you care to convince me you are right. I dont expect you to care about my opinion. Just taking a stance on your opinion.

Ide still buy you a beer to have a conversation about it though, could be fun

Mango@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 22:18 collapse

I don’t really care to convince you.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 22:25 collapse

Glad you can admit that you are wrong lol (I’m joking if that isn’t obvious)

Mango@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 23:31 collapse

My participation is irrelevant.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 2024 00:01 collapse

Also wrong, you are more valuable than you are giving yourself credit for! You have lots of people you can choose to mentor by having a conversation with them or at least in front of them. Thats incredibly relevant to understanding your opinion that HP is Isekai.

You totally got this, if you want this, my guy!

Mango@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 2024 00:24 collapse

You have a fun attitude.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 2024 00:57 collapse

Thank you so much. I try! Sometimes i even succeed.

Much love guv!

isyasad@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 22:22 next collapse

The word you’re thinking of is “fantasy”

Mango@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 23:29 collapse

Nope. I said what I mean.

actual_pillow@programming.dev on 23 Apr 2024 02:07 collapse

And it’s wrong lol

Mango@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 2024 03:01 collapse

It’s not.

ashok36@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 22:55 next collapse

Isekai is just Fish Out of Water on steroids which itself is just a variant on the Hero’s Journey monomyth.

Isekai are popular because people like to explore what if scenarios just in general. The Isekai setup is just a convenient plot device, that’s all.

Mango@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 23:30 next collapse

Agreed.

DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe on 23 Apr 2024 02:49 collapse

Which is why the absolute worst form of Isekai is the one where they both know how the world works and it’s just generic fantasy stuff on top.

Why even do it then?

Just so the protagonist can make pop culture references?

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tkc@feddit.uk on 22 Apr 2024 23:27 next collapse

Alice in Wonderland is an isekai.

Mango@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 23:30 collapse

Yes, absolutely!

frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml on 23 Apr 2024 15:06 collapse

I never expected to see T.A. Barron uplifted here and that’s practically made my morning. The entire series of the Lost Years of Merlin deserved so much more adulation than it got.

CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 21:59 next collapse

The anime doesn’t have to be good, it just has to make you interested in the lightnovel, which is where the profits are. With that in mind, the cheaper the anime can be produced the better. This is probably why there are so many shitty isekai and they keep coming.

doofy77@aussie.zone on 22 Apr 2024 22:06 next collapse

The only good isekai is Minna Atsumare! Falcom Gakuen.

Joking (mostly) aside, i’m just sick of generic videogame style fantasy settings in anime. It’s always the generic four member party with similar character designs and videogame mechanics.

Delicious in Dungeon is an example of one I sort of like for its shtick. The problem is, that seems to be all it has going for it. The dungeon design is terrible. It looks like it’s cut straight from an old school first person dungeon crawler, which was the intention. Still looks like shit.

Generic fantasy videogame setting is just lazy shit. I do understand that there is other anime out there, but it’s pretty much buried under piles of trash.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 22:16 collapse

There’s lots of good isekai. But like horror or many other genres really depends on what you like about the Isekai genre.

Delicious in Dungeon is okay but its also bad in its own way(I’m suddenly watching and enjoying it on Netflix about 8 episodes in)

It could be better.

Ascendence of a bookworm is worth it if someone wants an isekai that feels different.

isyasad@lemmy.world on 22 Apr 2024 22:08 next collapse

There are decades worth of good anime out there. If new stuff isn’t doin it for you, pick up a show from spring 2006 or something. A lot of trash comes out every season (and always has) but nobody is forcing you to watch it.

Cowbee@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 2024 22:50 next collapse

Dungeon Meshi is good, and not Isekai.

mossy_@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 2024 03:58 collapse

Are we talking about our favorite animes? I love One Punch Man. I love that one guy made a cool story and another guy said “let me redraw that but make all the characters sexy”

Jorgelino@lemmy.ml on 22 Apr 2024 23:41 next collapse

I still like the concept, it’s just that 90% of the stuff that uses said concept is terrible. I mean, Isekai is only an initial premise, you need A LOT more to make a good anime.

sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml on 23 Apr 2024 00:16 collapse

Or only use isekai as an arc rather than the general premise like hxh did

Jorgelino@lemmy.ml on 23 Apr 2024 02:24 collapse

Oh yeah, i love greed island. It being an arc certainly keeps the novelty of the other world’s mechanics from getting old.

To make it work as a full series you gotta have a lot more substance though, because at some point that novelty will inevitably run out. And now instead of “exciting new world where everything is different”, it’s just a regular world we’re already used to. At that point you gotta have an actual compelling story to keep it going.

rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee on 22 Apr 2024 23:57 next collapse

The thing I don’t like is how much of it is RPG themed but written by people who have never played any.

DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe on 23 Apr 2024 02:47 collapse

Or just boring ones they think will make sense to the broadest audience.

Where’s my Isekai where they have to guard break and air juggle enemies to do damage??!???

Sanctus@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 2024 00:45 next collapse

Isekai’s are overdone. I want to see “the worst thing that can happen to your people is for them to fall into the hands of a hero” stories.

TassieTosser@aussie.zone on 23 Apr 2024 01:48 collapse

Serial Killer ni Isekai Oritatsu?

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml on 23 Apr 2024 01:09 next collapse

I stopped liking anime at all.

The last memories I still liked are Psychopass, Tokyo Goul (till season 2) and Elfen Lied.

Maybe there are more anime that I remember as good but I miss the gore and sadness of anime which those 3 share.

I did watch some isekais and I hated all except one where a lil boy learned magic without splling it, meanwhile his dad wanted him to learn sword fights.

lorty@lemmy.ml on 23 Apr 2024 01:40 next collapse

Psychopass had an interesting premise but I ended up feeling like the author didn’t know where to take it.

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml on 23 Apr 2024 15:07 collapse

I kinda agree. But I still liked it and ignored the end as the world just is worth experiencing as a watch.

Lokoschade@feddit.de on 23 Apr 2024 16:09 collapse

The last one sounds like Mushoku Tensei/ Jobless Reincarnation

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 23 Apr 2024 02:00 next collapse

no, i havent been watching anime at all for a good while because of this

Junkdata@lemmy.ml on 23 Apr 2024 08:36 next collapse

I watched the one isekai with the vending machine. I have keep watching if it goes anywhere. Its 6/10, its interesting but not impactful in its storyline. Information was spitting out similar to doctor stone on the type of machines that exist in the world.

A good one that has some good storytelling was Grimgar, Aahes & Illusion. Talk about more realistic approach and pace for just 12 episodes.

jherazob@beehaw.org on 23 Apr 2024 10:18 next collapse

You very much are not. However, that’s how things always work out, a new theme appears and fascinates people, then everybody and their mom start using it for many years until it gets strip mined. Another comment mentioned zombies as an example, you can hardly see new zombie apocalypse stories these days because it’s been overused already, before that i believe it was vampires, and other prominent themes have preceded those and passed. Isekai as a trope is still extremely popular to the point that stories that don’t even need it get it tacked in as a prop to help it get popular. It’s the way these things happen, and will continue until the next fun thing appears. Then it becomes just another trope to be used at the right time.

It too will pass.

SrTobi@feddit.de on 23 Apr 2024 10:44 next collapse

When I watched Frieren the best thing was that it was no fucking isekai. It’s still competence porn, but at least she is not a middle aged man who died lonely in his bedroom. Just a classic fantasy world. Loved it

arin@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 2024 13:22 next collapse

Lots of lonely female dying isekai in the manga world too

SrTobi@feddit.de on 23 Apr 2024 17:41 collapse

Could you give some examples? Just curious. I want to see how they differ from male isekai in terms of escapsim. And I don’t mean multiple people like in Sao or Alice in wonderland. I just watched this “project Elise doctor” and what in the world was that? A double isekai? Or a isekaiception? But it definitely was different from when boys/men die.

arin@lemmy.world on 23 Apr 2024 23:07 next collapse
ReluctantZen@feddit.nl on 24 Apr 2024 10:37 collapse

Loads of villainness stuff is where a woman gets isekaied. For example:

  • My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom!
  • I’m the Villainess, So I’m Taming the Final Boss
  • Villainess Level 99: I May Be the Hidden Boss but I’m Not the Demon Lord

Aside from villainness stuff, there’s also:

  • I’ve Been Killing Slimes for 300 Years and Maxed Out My Level
  • Ascendance of a Bookworm (really recommended)
  • The Magical Revolution of the Reincarnated Princess and the Genius Young Lady
  • The Saint’s Magic Power is Omnipotent
lorty@lemmy.ml on 23 Apr 2024 14:28 next collapse

I’m not sure if the competence porn is justified in this case. She’s clearly meant to be an RPG character at the end of their adventure (and consequently apex of their power), it makes sense to me she’s overpowered. There’s a reason most TTRPGs stop at a a certain level and sometimes even have rules and instructions for retiring.

SrTobi@feddit.de on 23 Apr 2024 17:35 collapse

I think it’s justified, but I don’t necessarily mean it in a negative way. Her competence is certainly an important part of exploring what the series is actually about, namely loss, regret, and what’s really important in life, etc. Which you can have even if you are very powerful.

Now that I think about it. Maybe that’s exactly the reason why it is not competence porn. Maybe her competence is analogous to a sex scene which enhances the actual topic and not the goal itself like how sex is in porn.

On the other hand I certainly watch it for the competency lol

frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml on 23 Apr 2024 15:01 collapse

wait define “competence porn”; that’s a new one for me, and it feels faintly derogatory against people who find ‘humorous incompetence’ to be a black hole that sucks the amusement out of a setting.

helena@lemmy.eco.br on 23 Apr 2024 14:18 next collapse

I think that has been a pretty common opinion for the past 4 years lol

My problem isn’t isekai as a concept, it’s the fact that all of them are pretty much the exact same. I enjoyed Sasaki and Peeps last season precisely because it deviated from most isekai

cordlesslamp@lemmy.today on 23 Apr 2024 15:58 collapse

I’m sick of TRASH Isekai, not all Isekai. There’s still a good and original Isekai every now and then, but those are rare. Most of them are just fan service, harem bullshit.