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So… Gundam 00. It has always felt like the black sheep of the “main” shows. Everyone makes fun of it for being a “ripoff” of Wing (to the point there are even meme pictures in the official gunpla stores in Japan) and it felt largely forgotten relative to the never ending love affair with the UC and the pushes to make SEED a thing while avoiding the acknowledgement that the vast majority of “main” Gundam shows are retelling 0079+Zeta.
So I put off the watch for a while. Because I love Wing (like most Americans, it was my first Gundam) but I also fully acknowledge that is batshit insane and mostly a retelling of 0079, Zeta, and CCA.
And… I know Japan has very strict anti-drug laws but I am pretty sure they were on the same stuff that made Wing seem like a good idea. But whereas Wing’s pacing felt like complete insanity to the point you would FEEL like nothing happened and then realized three wars started and ended over the course of two episodes, 00 seemed obsessed with ending every climactic cliffhanger/battle before the first commercial break. It works amazingly well on a binge watch to make you watch “one more episode” but I REALLY wonder how people tolerated that when it aired on TV. “Oh cool. The battle we have all been waiting for is about to happen. And… it is over before we see Ibushi squirt some dashi into a pan in a suggestive manner”.
But, for all its flaws? I think season 1 is up there with Iron Blooded Orphans in terms of being a genuinely good “real” Gundam show (War in the Pocket is still GOAT but that was very clearly a side story, similar to Rogue One in the Star Wars franchise). We have a roster of pilots with clear flaws and mysterious pasts that pretty much exist to explore the idea of whether you can ever truly achieve peace through violence. And… it is insanely bleak. It is clear from the start that Saji’s plotline is going to be there to make us useless in the rain and… it somehow ends worse than anyone can possibly imagine on every single front of that. And the climactic battle is simultaneously more pointless and more brutal than basically anything short of IBO.
And then… we have Season 2. Which is mostly a rush to explain all those mysterious backstories as well as the overall mythos. I assume this was intended (right down to not even having the namesake gunpla model until the end of Season 1) but it really undermines almost all the “vibes” of the first season. And I kept expecting Ian to quote Rodney Dangerfield and scream “We’re all gonna get laid!” with how so much of season 2 felt like a collection mission for every Gundam meister’s girlfriend.
And while 00 definitely cheated by having two “end of show so everybody dies” sequences… it ends on way too hopeful of a note. Don’t get me wrong, I like a Gundam that doesn’t leave me staring at my TV’s burn-in prevention screen while I drink whiskey. But after how ridiculously bleak Season 1 was… 2 just felt like a copout.
Also let’s ignore that the Gundams were literal reality warpers. And that it is clear someone watched Beerfest and had an epiphany on how to keep such a fan favorite character around.
But, for all of Season 2’s MANY MANY MANY flaws, I still frigging loved it. Because usually, the overall story is secondary to the emotional beats of a Gundam. Yes, we are all super eager to know what the latest Char clone is planning but what we really care about is what it will mean for the Pilot. And, don’t get me wrong, I was very invested in all of the pilots (even frigging Tieria). But I kept watching because I needed to know what Ribbons or the Feddies or A-Law would do next.
Also, let’s not overlook the sheer ballsiness of ending the show with “And we are doing a movie!”.
So yeah. Gundam 00. More or less abandoned by Bandai. Mocked by Eastern audiences for being a ripoff of the Gundam that was explicitly targeted at the Sailor Moon demographic (seriously…). Mocked by Western audiences because Eastern audiences mock it and we are all weebs to one level or another. Season 1 is some of the best that “mainline” Gundam has ever been. Season 2 is… good by Gundam standards.
And two parting notes:
- Anyone who disparages this had better speak to their (non-existent) God about their crimes against cute and adorable Haro units doing repairs on the White Base equivalent Could have done with a lot less large breasted women in skintight outfits bouncing around and more cute Haro units being cute.
- While I still take issue at just treating it as a blatant Wing ripoff, I do have to say: in a franchise where you have a child soldier who would be fine with being executed because it means he can rest and someone with blatant split personality issues… Heero is still the craziest Gundam pilot ever. And Relena is somehow even crazier than that. The number of times Allejulah went full Hallelujah and my response was still “Still not crazier than Heero”…
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I think I mostly agree from what I can remember but its vague recollection and I focused a bit much on weird things. My favorite parts are the ridiculous amount of times mostly setsuna but also some others dramatically say “gundam” or a very short phrase with the term gundam in it, and also trans am. My friends and I got a real kick out of trans am. I watched as it was airing and I’ve forgotten more of it than the others I think. Honestly apart from recalling enjoying it, the cameo of sorts in hayate no gotoku was more memorable than a lot of the actual show when I try to remember it.
Really all the gundam series are pretty flawed but I watched and mostly enjoyed most of them up until life became to expensive and I ended up not finishing orphans or even starting a few of the others because of work. I guess I binged mercury on the first long weekend after s2 finished. Eventually I’ll finish them all for the char clones if nothing else. I have a soft spot for those char clones but was disappointed by mama char from witch from mercury who pretty much instantly revealed herself even though it was obvious, and I didn’t get my char clone fix.